997.1 gt3 cs on collecting cars

[Digga]

evodarren said:

Lovely!

I do hanker after something similar, 356 or 550. On really crazy days, I've even thought about a 3 wheeled Morgan to add to the garage.

Edited by Digga on Thursday 25th June 14:14

[Porsche911R]

Mitch911 said:

You are missing the context given the seller of the car. I don't know him from Adam but I know of him. Has quite a collection and races serious historic kit, very capably.

For anyone interested, I would get in touch via CC and feel pretty good about buying the car, subject to all the usual risks when buying privately.

does it matter who it is, it's a bit tatty and has a 3 year service gap !

you get it mint and sell at retail or or punt it out as is, looks that simple to me.

[evodarren]

I don’t track my Gt3
And find it hard to really enjoy her now a days. Traffic is a nightmare . I can just poodle and feel old in the speedster lol

[Porsche911R]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Porsche911R said:

Cheburator mk2 said:

Do you have a randon number generator at the back of your sofa?

I agree with your gripes about the annoying lack of attention to details like a hole in the nomex seat, the scuffed alloys and the plate transfer ballache...

But please, I would love to hear the breakdown of the £8k costs?

cost you £300 :-)

I know what it costs to sort the above...

But wanted to hear where the other £7k are coming from

other 7k ? , I said £7.5k org in another thread but it then needed a major service at that point and the adds been corrected I just rounded upto £8k on this one.
This major service has been done, so I said now £6k needed but I would want to see what was done at the last service and view that invoice.

there are many other niggles I can see on this car which need sorting. 6k - VAT is £5k that don't go far vs the work needed and that's if the calipers are ok, which if tracked I doubt as the disks look to have over heated to me if it tracked and over heated on worn pads the ceramic pucks will be smashed !!

So £6k to fix what I can see now is cheap, the car after an inspection and pad removed might eat £10k and imo a 997 now needs £10k work anyway if there is not a book full of new part invoices.

if you got it at £64k paid £3840 fee's spent £6k you are at £74k that's top money now for a car with a 3 year service Gap.
Plus you need to cross your fingers the RR are ok, the Calipers are ok, and then all the normal GT3 bits like drop links and top mounts, dampers, exhausts are all ok.

£6k miniuminspend and you need luck atm, £15k like that so called mint RS is easy spent on older cars, JZM charged that guy £18k for the service.

[Digga]

evodarren said:

I don’t track my Gt3
And find it hard to really enjoy her now a days. Traffic is a nightmare . I can just poodle and feel old in the speedster lol

I quite understand.

My GT3 is used either for longer road trips in Europe, or on track. I can see the frustration of one solely used on the road. Equally, something slow but fun is exceedingly appealing.

[Porsche911R]

Mitch911 said:

Cheburator mk2 said:

I know what it costs to sort the above...

But wanted to hear where the other £7k are coming from

Agree with David on this front, i've just bought something similar; good car, would be fine for many, I could easily drop £8k on it making it fresh. These cars are old now and need a lot of looking after to remain absolutely on the money.

I don't think many understand running costs on £85k 15 year old cars sadly.

[Digga]

Porsche911R said:

Mitch911 said:

Cheburator mk2 said:

I know what it costs to sort the above...

But wanted to hear where the other £7k are coming from

Agree with David on this front, i've just bought something similar; good car, would be fine for many, I could easily drop £8k on it making it fresh. These cars are old now and need a lot of looking after to remain absolutely on the money.

I don't think many understand running costs on £85k 15 year old cars sadly.

I know all that. it's the shiny "optional extras" that really hit you.

What I neglected to factor were auction costs and, I think, when you say early 70's all-in, with fees it's right.

[RC1]

where is the 3 year gap?

i see that the last major was overdue by 1 year - with there being 3k miles between services most reasonable folks would take a slightly more global view on the total package and compare it to other available cars

its not being advertised as concours and i expect it will sit favourably compared to others out there being sold privately inc the lovely bucket seat comfort red one with gold wheels and decals for 80k

i dont see it selling for much less than a good to average similar car being sold privately and i see it fetching more than trade money

[ArchiesDad]

I can see this going for just over £70K, maybe £74K almost £80K with fees... Or there abouts, Anything below £70 and it will just get snapped up by a dealer. The cost get to get A1 will then be nominal for a reputable dealer who will then punt it on for top money,

Suply and demand, I agree the brakes do looked cooked, The service gap is a bit of misnomer as the miles between are so low, certain models within the Gen.1 997 model range are creeping up over lock down, But where this sits in the here and now will be an intersting market indicator. There are more people out there wanting these than there are cars available. It just needs to be the right price.

[Porsche911R]

It’s funny we had a car at £69k with a 3/4 month last server gap and every one jumps on it.

Now we have a tracked car with a full years gap so 3 years between services and now that ok !!,

Odd having a 3 year gap to me with an iffy last service and no details already makes it £5k less than the red private one for sale.

I still say bids over £64k would be high risk.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 26th June 09:20

[D.no]

evodarren said:

Yes - I can certainly see the appeal in a Speedster, but reckon after 8 years together you'll miss the GT3...

I still have mine and intend to keep it until I can no longer drive it - there's just nothing else other than a 7.2 RS that floats my boat, and that's a whole other level of cash to have tied up.

My car is now 13 years and 3 months old and right now there is not a single issue that needs addressing on it, except perhaps the diff internals, but the same could be said of a 6 month old example. I seem alone in being able to appreciate these things on the road - perhaps by dint of where I live, so the diff is not a pressing concern, but will be sorted soon anyway (if I let the warranty lapse in December.). Maybe I've been lucky, and maybe there's a whole load of stuff about to wear-out or drop off, but it's certainly possible to buy a 997.1 GT3 and not be hit with a £10/15k bill by buying carefully (or getting lucky), and keeping a sensible approach to ongoing maintenance. I see every bill as an investment in keeping my car as enjoyable as it can be, for as long as possible and don't begrudge the expenditure - especially when there's a tangible improvement to the way the car drive's, feels or looks as a result.

[evodarren]

D.no said:

evodarren said:

Yes - I can certainly see the appeal in a Speedster, but reckon after 8 years together you'll miss the GT3...

I still have mine and intend to keep it until I can no longer drive it - there's just nothing else other than a 7.2 RS that floats my boat, and that's a whole other level of cash to have tied up.

My car is now 13 years and 3 months old and right now there is not a single issue that needs addressing on it, except perhaps the diff internals, but the same could be said of a 6 month old example. I seem alone in being able to appreciate these things on the road - perhaps by dint of where I live, so the diff is not a pressing concern, but will be sorted soon anyway (if I let the warranty lapse in December.). Maybe I've been lucky, and maybe there's a whole load of stuff about to wear-out or drop off, but it's certainly possible to buy a 997.1 GT3 and not be hit with a £10/15k bill by buying carefully (or getting lucky), and keeping a sensible approach to ongoing maintenance. I see every bill as an investment in keeping my car as enjoyable as it can be, for as long as possible and don't begrudge the expenditure - especially when there's a tangible improvement to the way the car drive's, feels or looks as a result.

I thought you sold the GT3

[D.no]

evodarren said:

I thought you sold the GT3

Absolutely not. Must have me confused with someone else..

[evodarren]

D.no said:

evodarren said:

I thought you sold the GT3

Absolutely not. Must have me confused with someone else..

Your probably right I would miss it . I’ll keep it if I have to. I don’t need to sell .
The 997:is definitely one of the most engaging GT3,s

[ArchiesDad]

Porsche911R said:

It’s funny we had a car at £69k with a 3/4 month gap and every one jumps on it.

Now we have a tracked car with a full years gap so 3 years between services and now that ok !!,

Odd having a 3 year gap to me with an iffy last service and no details already makes it £5k less than the red private one for sale.

I still say bids over £64k would be high risk.

That'll be the CV-19 effect,

It looks like it's come from a collection ? not sure what else is in there ? but this looks like it's been used.... Well....
Prices seem to be increasing, i'm not in the industry but know a few mates who are being out bidded by dealers for good 911's, it's come to something when your being outbidded giving asking for a 997.1 by a dealer.

[GT4RS]

Porsche911R said:

It’s funny we had a car at £69k with a 3/4 month gap and every one jumps on it.

Now we have a tracked car with a full years gap so 3 years between services and now that ok !!,

Odd having a 3 year gap to me with an iffy last service and no details already makes it £5k less than the red private one for sale.

I still say bids over £64k would be high risk.

This cars not a patch on the white 69k which came with over a years Porsche warranty that sold a few weeks back.

I agree at 64k it would work out expensive if you wanted to do all the snagging, what you need to consider is someone may buy it and treat it the same way as the last owner and not bother really doing or spending anything apart from driving it.

IMO they really struggle above 70k to move and they are only going to get harder to sell above 70k.

Could be a good driver around early 60k, giving you a little safety net pot of cash to work with when needed.

I guess the auction will give many a good indication of real life private sale values.

[Digga]

D.no said:

My car is now 13 years and 3 months old and right now there is not a single issue that needs addressing on it, except perhaps the diff internals, but the same could be said of a 6 month old example. I seem alone in being able to appreciate these things on the road - perhaps by dint of where I live, so the diff is not a pressing concern, but will be sorted soon anyway (if I let the warranty lapse in December.). Maybe I've been lucky, and maybe there's a whole load of stuff about to wear-out or drop off, but it's certainly possible to buy a 997.1 GT3 and not be hit with a £10/15k bill by buying carefully (or getting lucky), and keeping a sensible approach to ongoing maintenance. I see every bill as an investment in keeping my car as enjoyable as it can be, for as long as possible and don't begrudge the expenditure - especially when there's a tangible improvement to the way the car drive's, feels or looks as a result.

The standard diff ramps are absolute dogst, in both 997.1 and .2 GT3's. Getting an uprated set of ramps, and some new friction plates (the old ones wear out because the ramps are so weak) in makes the sort of difference even a hamfisted idiot like me can discern.

As far as warranty goes, I can't really see how any OPC would ever even know you'd fitted the Cup diff plates. Porsche stopped making them a few years back, so you'll have to get Guards transmission (GT) ones, which JZM sell.

In terms of running cots, I think it always helps to be on the front foot with anything that's not under 3 years old and under the OEM warranty. (I see this every day in my job with construction machinery.) I spent a lot on my car in the first year or two, to get it 'right' as I wanted it; sorted brakes, coolant hoses pinned, diff ramps upgraded, and I had it ceramic coated and PPF'd. Even if I upgraded to a 997.2 GT3 RS, I'd still have to go through all of that again and I am not sure I can be arsed and wouldn't rather spend that sort of money on more track days and trips, or even a set of Surface transform brakes....

[BertBert]

Does the one on CC have an LSD? Not listed as an option, or is it part of the Clubsport option or just standard on GT3s?
Bert

[D.no]

All great points Digga.

[Porsche911R]

BertBert said:

Does the one on CC have an LSD? Not listed as an option, or is it part of the Clubsport option or just standard on GT3s?
Bert

standard