Can you buy a decent spec 991.2 GT3 for under £120K?

[MannyLon]

Really don’t see what the fuss is about climate control. Standard air con is fine for me.

[Wilmslowboy]

Club - tick
Seats - tick
Cage - tick
Manual - tuck
Sub £120k - tick

But alas no leather on the dash

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/sales/vehicle/991-2-gt3-m...

[birdcage]

I'm looking at one of their cars, are they a decent outfit? I've heard of them but never bought from them

[Digga]

birdcage said:

I'm looking at one of their cars, are they a decent outfit? I've heard of them but never bought from them

RPM?

Spoken to a few of their guys in past, but never bought from them. They do have a good rep.

Seem to be doing a lot more with tuning of GT cars now.

[av185]

Wilmslowboy said:

Club - tick
Seats - tick
Cage - tick
Manual - tuck
Sub £120k - tick

But alas no leather on the dash

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/sales/vehicle/991-2-gt3-m...

Early first run 2017 steel braked car with placcy dash/doors no lift and fairly basic spec but decent mileage.

£5.5k over list. Worth it for the white internal trim lol.

Would make a good trakky.

[Cheib]

birdcage said:

I'm looking at one of their cars, are they a decent outfit? I've heard of them but never bought from them

Yup...think they’re very straightforward. All their cars are SoR. Roads around where they are based are ideal for test drives ! Never bought from them but have had maintenance work done by them.

[JulierPass]

Porsche911R said:

Digga said:

RPM?

Spoken to a few of their guys in past, but never bought from them. They do have a good rep.

Seem to be doing a lot more with tuning of GT cars now.

my experience was poor :-( they seem aimed at people who know nothing so they can charge lots !!! and DO charge lots.
but they have won a Manthey deal so have that under their belt now.

the SOR cars were not preped to high standards like say Top555 cars would be buying a 2nd hand car.
All the cars there for sale imo were not to a standard I would expect to see so prob would not buy a car from them.
trading on a known name and charging for it imo.
They tried it on with me on the bill so would never use them again in my life.

I've had the complete opposite. For some context, I've been running GT cars for nearly 20 years and have 7 GT cars in the stable at the moment. I have found Ollie to be patient, extremely knowledgeable, very straight forward and honest with both pricing and the work carried out. The have been going for 15 plus years as well and have an excellent reputation - how else would they have scored the partnership with Manthey? I would not hesitate to buy a car off him as I know they stand by every car they sell.

[GT4RS]

Wilmslowboy said:

Club - tick
Seats - tick
Cage - tick
Manual - tuck
Sub £120k - tick

But alas no leather on the dash

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/sales/vehicle/991-2-gt3-m...

Like I and others have said, we are starting to see more of the sub 120k 991.2 gt3 cars now coming up for sale.

Looks a nice spec car with lovely low miles.

[Digga]

JulierPass said:

I have found Ollie to be patient, extremely knowledgeable, very straight forward..

I've never spent anything with RPM, so they owe nothing and I owe them no favours.

Ollie came to chat with me in pits at last PCGB track day purely as an enthusiast and I can echo your comments.

For balance, at previous trackday, I also spoke to Matt from Fearnsport and could say the same too.

My car gets looked after by Mike at Sports & Classic. He has a similar approach and understanding to these cars, he can also drive them indecently quickly too, but if I had to look for alternatives, I'd happily use either of the former, on the basis of recommendation from fellow PHers who I know trust them.

[lowndes]

JulierPass said:

Porsche911R said:

Digga said:

RPM?

Spoken to a few of their guys in past, but never bought from them. They do have a good rep.

Seem to be doing a lot more with tuning of GT cars now.

my experience was poor :-( they seem aimed at people who know nothing so they can charge lots !!! and DO charge lots.
but they have won a Manthey deal so have that under their belt now.

the SOR cars were not preped to high standards like say Top555 cars would be buying a 2nd hand car.
All the cars there for sale imo were not to a standard I would expect to see so prob would not buy a car from them.
trading on a known name and charging for it imo.
They tried it on with me on the bill so would never use them again in my life.

I've had the complete opposite. For some context, I've been running GT cars for nearly 20 years and have 7 GT cars in the stable at the moment. I have found Ollie to be patient, extremely knowledgeable, very straight forward and honest with both pricing and the work carried out. The have been going for 15 plus years as well and have an excellent reputation - how else would they have scored the partnership with Manthey? I would not hesitate to buy a car off him as I know they stand by every car they sell.

Five deals with RPM, buying and selling including 3 with GTcars, one in and two out. On the maintenance side, 4.0L clutch, LWFW and motorsport diff fitted to 7.2GT3. Very happy with all aspects of dealing with Ollie, Greig and the team at RPM and would use again.

[Double gauche]

lowndes said:

JulierPass said:

Porsche911R said:

Digga said:

RPM?

Spoken to a few of their guys in past, but never bought from them. They do have a good rep.

Seem to be doing a lot more with tuning of GT cars now.

my experience was poor :-( they seem aimed at people who know nothing so they can charge lots !!! and DO charge lots.
but they have won a Manthey deal so have that under their belt now.

the SOR cars were not preped to high standards like say Top555 cars would be buying a 2nd hand car.
All the cars there for sale imo were not to a standard I would expect to see so prob would not buy a car from them.
trading on a known name and charging for it imo.
They tried it on with me on the bill so would never use them again in my life.

I've had the complete opposite. For some context, I've been running GT cars for nearly 20 years and have 7 GT cars in the stable at the moment. I have found Ollie to be patient, extremely knowledgeable, very straight forward and honest with both pricing and the work carried out. The have been going for 15 plus years as well and have an excellent reputation - how else would they have scored the partnership with Manthey? I would not hesitate to buy a car off him as I know they stand by every car they sell.

Five deals with RPM, buying and selling including 3 with GTcars, one in and two out. On the maintenance side, 4.0L clutch, LWFW and motorsport diff fitted to 7.2GT3. Very happy with all aspects of dealing with Ollie, Greig and the team at RPM and would use again.

Sold two high end cars with them.
They are better to deal with than JZM to start with.
Good guys, i rate RPM highly

[lowndes]

Porsche911R said:

my experience was poor :-( they seem aimed at people who know nothing so they can charge lots !!! and DO charge lots.

I may know next to nothing but I can read, and from this invoice I can see the RPM labour rate (July 2019) for the clutch/LWFW and diff work is £90 plus VAT. OPC labour for a minor service on the Touring this year was £135+VAT. Reading labour rate on the CGT is somewhat opaque but unlikely to be less than £135 +VAT. I have no reason to think RPM technicians are any less skilled than the average OPC (I exclude Reading CGT tech in this comparison). Are you able to clarify your comments on RPM charges?

[Porsche911R]

lowndes said:

I may know next to nothing but I can read, and from this invoice I can see the RPM labour rate (July 2019) for the clutch/LWFW and diff work is £90 plus VAT. OPC labour for a minor service on the Touring this year was £135+VAT. Reading labour rate on the CGT is somewhat opaque but unlikely to be less than £135 +VAT. I have no reason to think RPM technicians are any less skilled than the average OPC (I exclude Reading CGT tech in this comparison). Are you able to clarify your comments on RPM charges?

yes in full. but the thread will get removed on the no name and shame rules so cannot post anything on here.

is £114 good value for spanner work, not imo, is 14 hours fair for that job ? no idea.
maxed-page work on stuff 10x the value and charge far less per hour.

[Digga]

Porsche911R said:

lowndes said:

I may know next to nothing but I can read, and from this invoice I can see the RPM labour rate (July 2019) for the clutch/LWFW and diff work is £90 plus VAT. OPC labour for a minor service on the Touring this year was £135+VAT. Reading labour rate on the CGT is somewhat opaque but unlikely to be less than £135 +VAT. I have no reason to think RPM technicians are any less skilled than the average OPC (I exclude Reading CGT tech in this comparison). Are you able to clarify your comments on RPM charges?

yes in full. but the thread will get removed on the no name and shame rules so cannot post anything on here.

is £114 good value for spanner work, not imo, is 14 hours fair for that job ? no idea.
maxed-page work on stuff 10x the value and charge far less per hour.

Sports & Classic did my diff pack in "4.5 hours". Difference between 4.5 and 5, and considering that RPM had to divvy up all labour across a number of other jobs for Lowndes' car, I don't think the difference is the least bit significant.

Labour rates for decent workshops are as much, these days, a function of the overhead as the technician. Land is expensive in the UK - I doubt premises on the fringes of the Alderley Edge-Wilmslow-Prestbury "golden Triangle" are much different in cost to those in Herfordshire - as is decent premises. Kit required to work on each newer generation of car gets more costly all the while. That's before you factor in increasing HSE requirements for workshops. I know all of this well!

[Cheib]

I had my pads and discs changed on my 997 GTS and a couple of other things done recently. RPM were much cheaper than another nearby specialist who seem to subscribe to charging 5% less than OPC prices represents value...OPC wanted £1600, A.N. Other specialist £1400 and RPM were less than £1k. All done to estimated prices etc and couldn’t be more helpful.

At the end of the day every company out there will have a person who will say something bad about them.....including those with nice shiny showrooms and workshops.....

[Heathrow]

Bought 2 cars from and sold 2 cars to RPM (one outright and one SOR). They've done lots of servicing and upgrades for me across various GT and non-GT cars. Commissioned a full CSR conversion. Commissioned an engine build. Nothing but positives to say about the team.

I think they're also discounting labour rates by 10% during November and December this winter, if this is of interest to anyone.

[lowndes]

Porsche911R said:

on that RPM bill they like the extra's but, remove alarm £140 !!

[/footnote]

This was less straightforward than you might imagine. The system was as fitted to cars delivered in Belgium. There is no driver card as per UK but rather a hidden switch. Finding the switch is the first thing then tracing the wiring from the switch back to the unit itself. I was able to help with the first point ( but don’t intend to share on an open forum) however the tracing of the wiring back to the unit was another matter altogether. I asked OPC several times to do it and they never managed it. At least RPM solved the problem and if it took an hour and a half then I can well understand it.

[GT4RS]

Hour rate charges are what they are across the industry, look at the hourly cost for labour on other brands.

It’s all very similar.

[Dammit]

That's normally true, but 911R is such a well known fool that anyone with even a passing familiarity with Pistonheads will automatically assume that the reverse of whatever he asserts is correct - this works for pretty much everything apart from his specialist subject, the price of options for the 991, where his slavish devotion to being a Spec Master enables him to be momentarily accurate.

In Davids case his knowledge of deviated stitching is the exception that proves the rule.

[2mpete]

lowndes said:

Porsche911R said:

my experience was poor :-( they seem aimed at people who know nothing so they can charge lots !!! and DO charge lots.

I may know next to nothing but I can read, and from this invoice I can see the RPM labour rate (July 2019) for the clutch/LWFW and diff work is £90 plus VAT. OPC labour for a minor service on the Touring this year was £135+VAT. Reading labour rate on the CGT is somewhat opaque but unlikely to be less than £135 +VAT. I have no reason to think RPM technicians are any less skilled than the average OPC (I exclude Reading CGT tech in this comparison). Are you able to clarify your comments on RPM charges?

Fascinated in this Loundes. Looks like you’ve gone to a single mass flywheel, stronger clutch and racing diff? Can you please tell me how it’s changed the drive (GT3 touring?). Really enjoying mine and would be keen to learn what this has done. Had older RS products with some of these features (964/996) which were easier to stall but also easier to balance coming out of corners.