Can you buy a decent spec 991.2 GT3 for under £120K?

Can you buy a decent spec 991.2 GT3 for under £120K?

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r1flyguy1

1,567 posts

175 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Dammit said:
That's normally true, but 911R is such a well known fool that anyone with even a passing familiarity with Pistonheads will automatically assume that the reverse of whatever he asserts is correct - this works for pretty much everything apart from his specialist subject, the price of options for the 991, where his slavish devotion to being a Spec Master enables him to be momentarily accurate.

In Davids case his knowledge of deviated stitching is the exception that proves the rule.
Loves this.... so true rofl

lowndes

807 posts

213 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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2mpete said:
Fascinated in this Loundes. Looks like you’ve gone to a single mass flywheel, stronger clutch and racing diff? Can you please tell me how it’s changed the drive (GT3 touring?). Really enjoying mine and would be keen to learn what this has done. Had older RS products with some of these features (964/996) which were easier to stall but also easier to balance coming out of corners.
Some context might help. My post on this thread was to say I have had good experiences with RPM both on the sales and maintenance sides. In the case of the 997.2GT3 this included purchase, sale and maintenance upgrade. The Touring (991.2 GT3) was neither bought from nor maintained by RPM but was used as an example of current OPC pricing to demonstrate that RPM pricing at £90 is less than OPC £135, both per hour and both plus VAT.

The 4.0L clutch, LWFW and motorport diff on the invoice were fitted to the 7.2GT3 (not the Touring).

The background was that I was chatting so to someone at a track day at CC and mentioned I was thinking of replacing the clutch at it was at 40k miles and had served me well over numerous track days and Euro tours but must be getting towards the end of its life. The advice was put the 4.0L unit in because there can be issues with the 3.8 clutch. The corollary is that you also have to change the flywheel because of the damping. Then finally as the diff was by this stage effectively open, an upgrade of all three made sense.

Probably the biggest change was the motorsport diff which improves stability under braking and drive out of corners. As for the clutch, the 4.0L unit is as heavy to operate as the 3.8 but with the LWFW subjectively the engine revs more freely though to be honest after a couple of hundred miles it just became the new normal. One added bonus of the LWFW is the mechanical chatter at idle, assuming you like that sort of thing, which I do.smile

2mpete

70 posts

67 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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lowndes said:
2mpete said:
Fascinated in this Loundes. Looks like you’ve gone to a single mass flywheel, stronger clutch and racing diff? Can you please tell me how it’s changed the drive (GT3 touring?). Really enjoying mine and would be keen to learn what this has done. Had older RS products with some of these features (964/996) which were easier to stall but also easier to balance coming out of corners.
Some context might help. My post on this thread was to say I have had good experiences with RPM both on the sales and maintenance sides. In the case of the 997.2GT3 this included purchase, sale and maintenance upgrade. The Touring (991.2 GT3) was neither bought from nor maintained by RPM but was used as an example of current OPC pricing to demonstrate that RPM pricing at £90 is less than OPC £135, both per hour and both plus VAT.

The 4.0L clutch, LWFW and motorport diff on the invoice were fitted to the 7.2GT3 (not the Touring).

The background was that I was chatting so to someone at a track day at CC and mentioned I was thinking of replacing the clutch at it was at 40k miles and had served me well over numerous track days and Euro tours but must be getting towards the end of its life. The advice was put the 4.0L unit in because there can be issues with the 3.8 clutch. The corollary is that you also have to change the flywheel because of the damping. Then finally as the diff was by this stage effectively open, an upgrade of all three made sense.

Probably the biggest change was the motorsport diff which improves stability under braking and drive out of corners. As for the clutch, the 4.0L unit is as heavy to operate as the 3.8 but with the LWFW subjectively the engine revs more freely though to be honest after a couple of hundred miles it just became the new normal. One added bonus of the LWFW is the mechanical chatter at idle, assuming you like that sort of thing, which I do.smile
Thanks Lowndes, Context makes good sense and yes, love the chatter of a LWFW and when fitted definitely rev more freely. Sounds attractive at some point but will wait to put some more miles on the Touring before considering. I suspect many of the GT3T’s will cover more miles than the winged variants. Only managed 4K this year with Covid but hoping for many more next year including a couple of Euro tours. Cracking cars. Thanks for the explanation.

pete.g

1,527 posts

205 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Fair play to you for posting your experience and backing it up.

Jumping out at me is an hour's labour to bleed the slave cylinder following the fitting of the new clutch.

I'll freely admit I've never done this on a GT3, but it it took me more than 5 minutes I'd be very surprised. And that's just me with a clear tube fitted with a non return valve - a garage will use a pressurised bleeder.

Obviously this is a small part of a large bill, but that would annoy me.

Yellow491

2,912 posts

118 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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pete.g said:
Fair play to you for posting your experience and backing it up.

Jumping out at me is an hour's labour to bleed the slave cylinder following the fitting of the new clutch.

I'll freely admit I've never done this on a GT3, but it it took me more than 5 minutes I'd be very surprised. And that's just me with a clear tube fitted with a non return valve - a garage will use a pressurised bleeder.

Obviously this is a small part of a large bill, but that would annoy me.
Id suggest you try it,can be a total pain to bleed,a hour is fair in most cases.
I would challenge the amount of hours on the clutch and flywheel if it was my car,and the lsd time if the gearbox was already on the floor!But its not my car and he is clearly happy with the invoice which is all the matters.
I see some of our posts got removed after R slateing of the company, not sure why mine did as i on slated R for his Poor low ball contribution and not the said companies involved.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Yellow491 said:
I see some of our posts got removed after R slateing of the company, not sure why mine did as i on slated R for his Poor low ball contribution and not the said companies involved.
I think our posts were binned not because of what we said, but the content of the other poster's posts we'd quoted and responded to.

I dunno for sure, but FWIW, as far as the diff goes, I'd guess undoing the 12 bolts to switch the thing out takes pretty much the same amount of time, 'box in or out. Either way you'd have to disconnect the driveshaft.

Slippydiff

14,743 posts

222 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Digga said:
I think our posts were binned not because of what we said, but the content of the other poster's posts we'd quoted and responded to.

I dunno for sure, but FWIW, as far as the diff goes, I'd guess undoing the 12 bolts to switch the thing out takes pretty much the same amount of time, 'box in or out. Either way you'd have to disconnect the driveshaft.
I noticed some over-zealous moderator had deleted my post too. I thought because I'd cast aspersions on the ability of of your average OPC apprentice, when compared to the boss of a well established Indy such as Ollie at RPMT.

I'm all for sensible moderation, but this has become increasingly pathetic of late.

Agree with Yellow on the bleeding of the clutch slave cylinder time, certainly on the aircooled stuff it can be a pain getting rid of all the old contaminated black fluid if the fluids's not been changed in years.



EvoSid

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1,100 posts

62 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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Ok went to Aberdeen OPC today to look at a GT4 (which it turned was not there has they "forgot" it had gone to the bodyshop for a minor touch up)
Anyway got taking about 718 GT4 v 991.1 GT3 and they reckon that the 991.1 GT3 with engine replaced should be no problem at all now.
Is this true as I just hear horror stories about he engine but no one know whats the issue is / was ?
Are they maybe worth a punt now ?

GT4RS

4,395 posts

196 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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My suggest would be to talk to some of the long term owners and past owners on here, rather than the ones who have heard or read hear say off the internet.




Cunno

511 posts

156 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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EvoSid said:
Ok went to Aberdeen OPC today to look at a GT4 (which it turned was not there has they "forgot" it had gone to the bodyshop for a minor touch up)
Anyway got taking about 718 GT4 v 991.1 GT3 and they reckon that the 991.1 GT3 with engine replaced should be no problem at all now.
Is this true as I just hear horror stories about he engine but no one know whats the issue is / was ?
Are they maybe worth a punt now ?
I was thinking the same , then a mate of mine who has been running a 991.1 for last 18 mth to 2 years had an engine failure about a month ago. Still waiting for his OPC to sort, but they have at least confirmed he’s getting new engine under warranty

av185

18,434 posts

126 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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EvoSid said:
Ok went to Aberdeen OPC today to look at a GT4 (which it turned was not there has they "forgot" it had gone to the bodyshop for a minor touch up)
Anyway got taking about 718 GT4 v 991.1 GT3 and they reckon that the 991.1 GT3 with engine replaced should be no problem at all now.
Is this true as I just hear horror stories about he engine but no one know whats the issue is / was ?
Are they maybe worth a punt now ?
Having owned a 991.1 GT3 from new and now a 991.2 GT3 I would take the view not unlike Mclarens they receive bad Press mostly undeserved and you only tend to hear the horror internet stories.

Yes the gen 2 is a marked improvement particularly in the engine department and torque together with power drop off to the 9k red line is much more noticeable in the gen 1 than gen 2.

But they are fantastic value if you like PDK S which is a great gearbox and if you compare a 2015 good spec cs 981 GT4 and a 2015 good spec cs 991.1 GT3 with the later engine for another c £15k to £20k there really is no contest the GT3 is easily worth the extra ££.

EvoSid

Original Poster:

1,100 posts

62 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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av185 said:
Having owned a 991.1 GT3 from new and now a 991.2 GT3 I would take the view not unlike Mclarens they receive bad Press mostly undeserved and you only tend to hear the horror internet stories.

Yes the gen 2 is a marked improvement particularly in the engine department and torque together with power drop off to the 9k red line is much more noticeable in the gen 1 than gen 2.

But they are fantastic value if you like PDK S which is a great gearbox and if you compare a 2015 good spec cs 981 GT4 and a 2015 good spec cs 991.1 GT3 with the later engine for another c £15k to £20k there really is no contest the GT3 is easily worth the extra ££.
What you say is what the OPC and specialists seem to say. yes there were issues with a batch of engines , but now sorted and if you if you willing to see past the social media worry about the engines, you do get a 10 year warranty , then they are great buys

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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av185 said:
Having owned a 991.1 GT3 from new and now a 991.2 GT3 I would take the view not unlike Mclarens they receive bad Press mostly undeserved and you only tend to hear the horror internet stories.

Yes the gen 2 is a marked improvement particularly in the engine department and torque together with power drop off to the 9k red line is much more noticeable in the gen 1 than gen 2.

But they are fantastic value if you like PDK S which is a great gearbox and if you compare a 2015 good spec cs 981 GT4 and a 2015 good spec cs 991.1 GT3 with the later engine for another c £15k to £20k there really is no contest the GT3 is easily worth the extra ££.
Yep,the gt4 is great but the gt3 is on a different level .

throt

3,038 posts

169 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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EvoSid said:
What you say is what the OPC and specialists seem to say. yes there were issues with a batch of engines , but now sorted and if you if you willing to see past the social media worry about the engines, you do get a 10 year warranty , then they are great buys
How long left though on the youngest .1GT3, 4 yrs warranty.

I had one too from new, loved it, more of a mechanical feel to it compared to the .2, plus, a st load of more blue smoke on starting from cold.
Loved that on mine, lol.

If I didn’t secure the .2 I would have ALWAYS renewed the warranty for piece of mind. Also, I had the F engine in mine and it never did play up. Imo, I reckon the .1 was very sensitive to the way it was run in?, just maybe. And, yes, the media is indeed very cruel to them.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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Cunno said:
I was thinking the same , then a mate of mine who has been running a 991.1 for last 18 mth to 2 years had an engine failure about a month ago. Still waiting for his OPC to sort, but they have at least confirmed he’s getting new engine under warranty
Was that the Coke liveried car? Glad he's getting a new lump put in under warranty, but as you say....

TDT

4,911 posts

118 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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Digga said:
Cunno said:
I was thinking the same , then a mate of mine who has been running a 991.1 for last 18 mth to 2 years had an engine failure about a month ago. Still waiting for his OPC to sort, but they have at least confirmed he’s getting new engine under warranty
Was that the Coke liveried car? Glad he's getting a new lump put in under warranty, but as you say....
Yep. Glad it’s getting sorted for him

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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TDT said:
Digga said:
Cunno said:
I was thinking the same , then a mate of mine who has been running a 991.1 for last 18 mth to 2 years had an engine failure about a month ago. Still waiting for his OPC to sort, but they have at least confirmed he’s getting new engine under warranty
Was that the Coke liveried car? Glad he's getting a new lump put in under warranty, but as you say....
Yep. Glad it’s getting sorted for him
It's a great looking car that one.

As you know, I am a sucker for a nice decal, and that car really looks the business.

You booked for the 2021 RS day?

Denno B

962 posts

204 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Not sure If it’s classed as ‘decent spec’ with the lack of ceramics but there is a manual gen 2 in the classifieds for £115k. Low mileage 5k, club sport with full carbon buckets.

Melvynr

1,404 posts

50 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Don't see it, can you post the link?

AllisterT

23 posts

77 months

Friday 6th November 2020
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Melvynr said:
Don't see it, can you post the link?
its with RPM