911 (992) GTS - Preview Launch
Discussion
Deansfield said:
Always interesting to see the launch of a new Porsche, especially a Gt
Are we alone on this or is everyone hooked up on Gt3?
How do I find the launch online?
Great cars,had one before the gt3 ,I’m just wondering how fast the new version will be ,the current Carrera S is as quick as a gt3 on the straights .Are we alone on this or is everyone hooked up on Gt3?
How do I find the launch online?
Arguably the pick of the 911 range for daily road driving .
The 992GTS will be a great car and as usual Porsche's dark horse which punches above its weight. It'll be most likely faster in the real world than the 992GT3 due to much broader range of torque. This is one car i'd get only as a Manual as the new PDK robs the 992 models of character.
As you may or may not know, GTS stands for “Gran Turismo Sport" or, in other words, the highest performance (not to be confused with race) focused street version of the car that bears the nomenclature. From there, the GT cars (GT2, GT3, GT4) take it all to another level, but not without some compromise.
The most famous of the GTs (other than the Carrera GT) is the 911 GT3 for which Porsche had to recently remind the car business that it more or less owned the name and has since the 1999 911 GT3. “GTS” has a far more elaborate tale behind it as it all started a little over 50 years ago with the delectably gorgeous and highly sought after 1963 904 GTS. This car was upgraded for track use and actually won twice in the manufacturer's world championship (including the legendary Targa Florio) back in 1964 and 1965. What was especially telling was how well the car was sorted for street use; it turned out to be a pioneer for Porsche in transferring race-developed know-how into regular road cars.
The “GTS” trim reappeared in the ‘80s and ‘90s when the 924 GTS and 928 GTS carried the torch.
The 1981 924 Carrera GTS was quite special and created for homologation reasons. Its engine produced 245 horsepower and if your model was one of the 15 (of 59) Club Sports with a roll-cage and a lightweight bodyshell with fiberglass panels and plexiglass windows, your mill put out 280 hp.
The 928 GTS was one of my personal favourites in the ‘90s. In 1993, the 350 horsepower front-mounted 5.4L V8 and flared wheel arches made my juices flow. This one is also something of a rarity, unlike the GT and S4 versions.
In both cases, the cars were exceptional performers and devilishly fast, and drop-dead gorgeous. These criteria carry forth into today’s lineup of GTS cars.
The first modern-era GTS vehicle from Porsche was none other than the Cayenne GTS. I clearly recall my time at the wheel in 2008, shifting through the six manual cogs (amen!) and listening to the then stonking 405-horsepower normally aspirated 4.8L V8 growl. Something so big and tall should not have been able to handle like a sports car, but it did.
The current crop of GTS Porsches is exactly what it should be: the most powerful and best performing cars of their respective model series. This is not to say that they are stripped down like the GT cars. In fact, the GTS iteration of all Porsches (save for the Macan for the moment) is the ideal weekend track-day heroe that tackle the weekday grudge without punishing occupants.
The most famous of the GTs (other than the Carrera GT) is the 911 GT3 for which Porsche had to recently remind the car business that it more or less owned the name and has since the 1999 911 GT3. “GTS” has a far more elaborate tale behind it as it all started a little over 50 years ago with the delectably gorgeous and highly sought after 1963 904 GTS. This car was upgraded for track use and actually won twice in the manufacturer's world championship (including the legendary Targa Florio) back in 1964 and 1965. What was especially telling was how well the car was sorted for street use; it turned out to be a pioneer for Porsche in transferring race-developed know-how into regular road cars.
The “GTS” trim reappeared in the ‘80s and ‘90s when the 924 GTS and 928 GTS carried the torch.
The 1981 924 Carrera GTS was quite special and created for homologation reasons. Its engine produced 245 horsepower and if your model was one of the 15 (of 59) Club Sports with a roll-cage and a lightweight bodyshell with fiberglass panels and plexiglass windows, your mill put out 280 hp.
The 928 GTS was one of my personal favourites in the ‘90s. In 1993, the 350 horsepower front-mounted 5.4L V8 and flared wheel arches made my juices flow. This one is also something of a rarity, unlike the GT and S4 versions.
In both cases, the cars were exceptional performers and devilishly fast, and drop-dead gorgeous. These criteria carry forth into today’s lineup of GTS cars.
The first modern-era GTS vehicle from Porsche was none other than the Cayenne GTS. I clearly recall my time at the wheel in 2008, shifting through the six manual cogs (amen!) and listening to the then stonking 405-horsepower normally aspirated 4.8L V8 growl. Something so big and tall should not have been able to handle like a sports car, but it did.
The current crop of GTS Porsches is exactly what it should be: the most powerful and best performing cars of their respective model series. This is not to say that they are stripped down like the GT cars. In fact, the GTS iteration of all Porsches (save for the Macan for the moment) is the ideal weekend track-day heroe that tackle the weekday grudge without punishing occupants.
Isn’t a GTS just a bit of a mid life marketing exercise these days?
You get a package of options thrown together (sports design body kit, S-PASM), a mild remap and a bit of GTS stitching behind your head. These are minor points in comparison to deciding between 4/2wd and manual/PDK.
Maybe they’ll pull something out of the bag, but for me there aren’t enough unique differences to mark it out from the rest of the Carreras.
You get a package of options thrown together (sports design body kit, S-PASM), a mild remap and a bit of GTS stitching behind your head. These are minor points in comparison to deciding between 4/2wd and manual/PDK.
Maybe they’ll pull something out of the bag, but for me there aren’t enough unique differences to mark it out from the rest of the Carreras.
Deansfield said:
Always interesting to see the launch of a new Porsche, especially a Gt
Are we alone on this or is everyone hooked up on Gt3?
How do I find the launch online?
A 911 GTS is a GT product now. Fantastic. Great news. Why bother buying 4 Mac and, 3 cayenne and 2 panamera they cannot shift to get an allocation for a GT3. When I can get a GTS. Are we alone on this or is everyone hooked up on Gt3?
How do I find the launch online?
Perfect. Love it.
Hobo said:
Well Porsche decided to call it the 'GT' S, so regardless of peoples own opinions on whether it is a GT car, then Porsches opinion seems clear.
I'd look at it as the everyday GT car. The GT3/4 being more track oriented, and the GT3RS being the out and out track car.
It’s names after the 904 GTS….it’s got nothing to do with the GT car department. Why do I say that ? It’s got a tuned version of the standard engine found in the standard 911’s. 911 GT cars are defined by their engines. I'd look at it as the everyday GT car. The GT3/4 being more track oriented, and the GT3RS being the out and out track car.
These days I see ‘GTS’ as a trim package for the mainstream models.
The model that I think could be the nicest, usable, driver-focussed, road car, might be the 992’T’.
Still not finding the love for the big, techy, 992, and the 991’T’ didn’t quite hit the spot. But, if Porsche do the job properly this time round, then a lwt, simply spec’d, manual ‘T’, could be a very attractive and purer proposition, for those who appreciate when ‘less is more’ - IMO.
The model that I think could be the nicest, usable, driver-focussed, road car, might be the 992’T’.
Still not finding the love for the big, techy, 992, and the 991’T’ didn’t quite hit the spot. But, if Porsche do the job properly this time round, then a lwt, simply spec’d, manual ‘T’, could be a very attractive and purer proposition, for those who appreciate when ‘less is more’ - IMO.
Geneve said:
These days I see ‘GTS’ as a trim package for the mainstream models.
The model that I think could be the nicest, usable, driver-focussed, road car, might be the 992’T’.
Still not finding the love for the big, techy, 992, and the 991’T’ didn’t quite hit the spot. But, if Porsche do the job properly this time round, then a lwt, simply spec’d, manual ‘T’, could be a very attractive and purer proposition, for those who appreciate when ‘less is more’ - IMO.
I completely agree here. Whilst my 992S was in the shop for some work, I had a demo base Carrera 4 for a week. For the UK roads, I think the less powerful engine is in some ways better - you can really use the rev range and drive it hard, whereas in the S, you're easily breaking the speed limit quite drastically. The model that I think could be the nicest, usable, driver-focussed, road car, might be the 992’T’.
Still not finding the love for the big, techy, 992, and the 991’T’ didn’t quite hit the spot. But, if Porsche do the job properly this time round, then a lwt, simply spec’d, manual ‘T’, could be a very attractive and purer proposition, for those who appreciate when ‘less is more’ - IMO.
So I'm with you, a 992T with a manual gearbox and buckets would be my drivers car of choice that you could really enjoy on the UK roads.
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