How would you spec your 992 GTS?
Discussion
russ63 said:
When you turn on the ignition a message comes up on the screen telling you to mind the run in procedure to 934 miles or thereabouts. So you then drive about everywhere to get 934 miles on it, Well i did then you can hit 9000 rpm. It will burn some oil so needed a top up at 1500 miles.
I think you mean 934 miles for a GT3 that revs to 9000k!It’s more to do with the bedding in if brakes/gearbox etc.. I’ve always just kept to the 4k/400 miles/ 5k 500miles/ 6k 600miles and so on.. never have I ran in nice and gentle on a modern 992 or 991
Goater2 said:
Yes I think this is standard running in guidance. Search the web and you will find a thousand different opinions on the subject. The official guidance of staying under 4k revs for 1865 miles that feels a long time- would take a year for some owners!
Yes exactly the same for my 718 GT4 - avoid going above 4000rpm for the first 3000KM.MeisterH said:
I think you mean 934 miles for a GT3 that revs to 9000k!
It’s more to do with the bedding in if brakes/gearbox etc.. I’ve always just kept to the 4k/400 miles/ 5k 500miles/ 6k 600miles and so on.. never have I ran in nice and gentle on a modern 992 or 991
I think you meant 9K, otherwise that's a very special GT3 engine.It’s more to do with the bedding in if brakes/gearbox etc.. I’ve always just kept to the 4k/400 miles/ 5k 500miles/ 6k 600miles and so on.. never have I ran in nice and gentle on a modern 992 or 991
So.. did my PEC drive yesterday and did the C2 back to back with the C4 to help decide which suits the use its going to get.. C4 but thats by the by,.. The cars I drove had different seats.
One had the "sports seats plus 4 way electric" and the other had the 18 way electric. Now... when you look on the configurator for the 18way it says "As Sports seats Plus but additionally to Sports seats Plus: electric adjustment of all seat functions incl. seat side bolsters. Memory function"
Which is utter Bo-lax!!
The 18way is so much more than what that says. The base is longer and the bolsters adjustment is very underplayed in that description.
Porsche needs to get its arse into gear and get all of the seat options on plinths in the showrooms so that people can make the correct informed decision on what has to be the most important factor in how much you'll enjoy the driving experience. It'd also help if the sales teams knew more than they can read from the same page on the internet as I can, but thats a different issue.
Ultimately it wont change my choice because I'm ticking the Lightweight pack box, but if anyone out there is approaching 6 foot tall or over.. and hasn't ticked 18 way seats, go and find a car with the seats to try.
Also-- why doe they need an electric backwards /forwards? - I've never entered/exited any of my 911's without sliding the seat all the way back to make it easier to get in/out, and the manual slider is just perfect - super fast, bang, straight out. The electric... buzzzzzzzz........just tedious waiting for it.
Nice problems to have, i know...
One had the "sports seats plus 4 way electric" and the other had the 18 way electric. Now... when you look on the configurator for the 18way it says "As Sports seats Plus but additionally to Sports seats Plus: electric adjustment of all seat functions incl. seat side bolsters. Memory function"
Which is utter Bo-lax!!
The 18way is so much more than what that says. The base is longer and the bolsters adjustment is very underplayed in that description.
Porsche needs to get its arse into gear and get all of the seat options on plinths in the showrooms so that people can make the correct informed decision on what has to be the most important factor in how much you'll enjoy the driving experience. It'd also help if the sales teams knew more than they can read from the same page on the internet as I can, but thats a different issue.
Ultimately it wont change my choice because I'm ticking the Lightweight pack box, but if anyone out there is approaching 6 foot tall or over.. and hasn't ticked 18 way seats, go and find a car with the seats to try.
Also-- why doe they need an electric backwards /forwards? - I've never entered/exited any of my 911's without sliding the seat all the way back to make it easier to get in/out, and the manual slider is just perfect - super fast, bang, straight out. The electric... buzzzzzzzz........just tedious waiting for it.
Nice problems to have, i know...
Nurburgsingh said:
So.. did my PEC drive yesterday and did the C2 back to back with the C4 to help decide which suits the use its going to get.. C4 but thats by the by,.. The cars I drove had different seats.
One had the "sports seats plus 4 way electric" and the other had the 18 way electric. Now... when you look on the configurator for the 18way it says "As Sports seats Plus but additionally to Sports seats Plus: electric adjustment of all seat functions incl. seat side bolsters. Memory function"
Which is utter Bo-lax!!
The 18way is so much more than what that says. The base is longer and the bolsters adjustment is very underplayed in that description.
Porsche needs to get its arse into gear and get all of the seat options on plinths in the showrooms so that people can make the correct informed decision on what has to be the most important factor in how much you'll enjoy the driving experience. It'd also help if the sales teams knew more than they can read from the same page on the internet as I can, but thats a different issue.
Ultimately it wont change my choice because I'm ticking the Lightweight pack box, but if anyone out there is approaching 6 foot tall or over.. and hasn't ticked 18 way seats, go and find a car with the seats to try.
Also-- why doe they need an electric backwards /forwards? - I've never entered/exited any of my 911's without sliding the seat all the way back to make it easier to get in/out, and the manual slider is just perfect - super fast, bang, straight out. The electric... buzzzzzzzz........just tedious waiting for it.
Nice problems to have, i know...
It's a really good point about the seats,but sitting in buckets in a showroom is a long way from getting your spine rearranged down a bumpy road. But there should be easier access to test them .One had the "sports seats plus 4 way electric" and the other had the 18 way electric. Now... when you look on the configurator for the 18way it says "As Sports seats Plus but additionally to Sports seats Plus: electric adjustment of all seat functions incl. seat side bolsters. Memory function"
Which is utter Bo-lax!!
The 18way is so much more than what that says. The base is longer and the bolsters adjustment is very underplayed in that description.
Porsche needs to get its arse into gear and get all of the seat options on plinths in the showrooms so that people can make the correct informed decision on what has to be the most important factor in how much you'll enjoy the driving experience. It'd also help if the sales teams knew more than they can read from the same page on the internet as I can, but thats a different issue.
Ultimately it wont change my choice because I'm ticking the Lightweight pack box, but if anyone out there is approaching 6 foot tall or over.. and hasn't ticked 18 way seats, go and find a car with the seats to try.
Also-- why doe they need an electric backwards /forwards? - I've never entered/exited any of my 911's without sliding the seat all the way back to make it easier to get in/out, and the manual slider is just perfect - super fast, bang, straight out. The electric... buzzzzzzzz........just tedious waiting for it.
Nice problems to have, i know...
Dan 911 said:
Do you have access to pictures of your car on My Porsche yet ? I’m at stage 4 but don’t have any pictures.
Hi Dan,No pictures yet, my understanding from what I've seen from others on this thread is that pictures turn up between Stages 4 and 5. In many cases at Stage 5 when cars have already arrived in the UK and then pics turn up afterwards. It's a bit random...
Nurburgsingh said:
So.. did my PEC drive yesterday and did the C2 back to back with the C4 to help decide which suits the use its going to get.. C4 but thats by the by,.. The cars I drove had different seats.
One had the "sports seats plus 4 way electric" and the other had the 18 way electric. Now... when you look on the configurator for the 18way it says "As Sports seats Plus but additionally to Sports seats Plus: electric adjustment of all seat functions incl. seat side bolsters. Memory function"
Which is utter Bo-lax!!
The 18way is so much more than what that says. The base is longer and the bolsters adjustment is very underplayed in that description.
Porsche needs to get its arse into gear and get all of the seat options on plinths in the showrooms so that people can make the correct informed decision on what has to be the most important factor in how much you'll enjoy the driving experience. It'd also help if the sales teams knew more than they can read from the same page on the internet as I can, but thats a different issue.
Ultimately it wont change my choice because I'm ticking the Lightweight pack box, but if anyone out there is approaching 6 foot tall or over.. and hasn't ticked 18 way seats, go and find a car with the seats to try.
Also-- why doe they need an electric backwards /forwards? - I've never entered/exited any of my 911's without sliding the seat all the way back to make it easier to get in/out, and the manual slider is just perfect - super fast, bang, straight out. The electric... buzzzzzzzz........just tedious waiting for it.
Nice problems to have, i know...
agree with that on the 18 ways, so much better than the std seats,another item thats needs to be on a plinth to try are the steering wheels.One had the "sports seats plus 4 way electric" and the other had the 18 way electric. Now... when you look on the configurator for the 18way it says "As Sports seats Plus but additionally to Sports seats Plus: electric adjustment of all seat functions incl. seat side bolsters. Memory function"
Which is utter Bo-lax!!
The 18way is so much more than what that says. The base is longer and the bolsters adjustment is very underplayed in that description.
Porsche needs to get its arse into gear and get all of the seat options on plinths in the showrooms so that people can make the correct informed decision on what has to be the most important factor in how much you'll enjoy the driving experience. It'd also help if the sales teams knew more than they can read from the same page on the internet as I can, but thats a different issue.
Ultimately it wont change my choice because I'm ticking the Lightweight pack box, but if anyone out there is approaching 6 foot tall or over.. and hasn't ticked 18 way seats, go and find a car with the seats to try.
Also-- why doe they need an electric backwards /forwards? - I've never entered/exited any of my 911's without sliding the seat all the way back to make it easier to get in/out, and the manual slider is just perfect - super fast, bang, straight out. The electric... buzzzzzzzz........just tedious waiting for it.
Nice problems to have, i know...
now that i have got a few miles on it, the thin rimmed wheel is uncomfortable.
seat,steering wheel and pedals are the most important bits
Schuey_911 said:
SamL said:
Out of interest what are people being advised of the delivery time lines if ordering now?
I checked this last month with two different dealers, one said 18 months and the other said 12 months.
Hobo said:
I suspect people definition of 'lock' are likely varying. I had to 'lock' down my spec in January (ie give the dealer my final intended specification), although was allowed to make changes to it after that (albeit only a couple of weeks after - to add leather to the column casing).
At the time of being told I needed to 'lock' in my car, which was mid January, I was being advised the system showed the car would leave the factory the end of April, so roughly 3 1/2 months as I mentioned. It slipped a week or so after that, but I also was lucky with the shipping times. My car was also sent away for detailings and PPF application by a 3rd party, which pushed it back a few days or a week.
I was in my OPC yesterday and put down a deposit for the 992 GTS to replace my 991.2 GTS, i was told spec gets locked about 3 months before the car is ready for delivery but i may have misheard. !At the time of being told I needed to 'lock' in my car, which was mid January, I was being advised the system showed the car would leave the factory the end of April, so roughly 3 1/2 months as I mentioned. It slipped a week or so after that, but I also was lucky with the shipping times. My car was also sent away for detailings and PPF application by a 3rd party, which pushed it back a few days or a week.
On the gloss black stuff, my OPC suggested that it gets easily scratched/scuffed so i was advised against it. I do have the gloss pack (rear end) on my current GTS though and i haven't ruined it yet.
SamL said:
Still ages then! Sounds like yours is on its way soon Schuey, exciting stuff! My collection is pencilled for the 28th!
Wow, not long to go for you then, be sure to post up some pictures when you get it and good luck for 'New Car Collection' day!
So i test drove the new GTS at my OPC yesterday and ended up putting a deposit down. A few observations:
1. It was Shark Blue, amazingly zingy colour which i really liked. (currently have crayon)
2. It had buckets and the lightweight pack. Really not for me, the buckets were not as uncomfortable as i thought and they really did cocoon you in, but getting in and out of them was an arse and i felt there is a risk of soiling one's trousers with the effort involved.
3. The lightweight pack - couldn't really tell much apart from lack of rear seats. I need the seats for my small humans.
4. The engine sound was much better than i was expecting. Sounded more throaty and gutteral than my 991.2 and still get the whizz poppers and bangs with Sport mode. I don't know whether that's because it had the lightweight pack and less sound deadening.?
5. It had RWS, i couldn't tell on such a short drive. Unless on a track or at speed, I'm not sure i am a good enough driver to tell apart from the better turning circle. I will spec it though until i go to PEC and see properly.
6. It had adaptive cruise which like in my Tesla, i found slightly off putting as it keeps trying to break if it thinks you haven't seen something (like a parked car)
7. The 992 felt so much more refined than my 991.2. It was very smooth on normal mode and a much more compliant ride. I was very impressed with the ride which was highlighted when i got back in mine.
8. The cabin is a nicer place to be and the PCM is much nicer to use.
9. The front lift was great. You can push a button and the sat nav remembers where you are and activates the lift next time you come to that speed bump etc. I will be speccing it as i have a trickly drive to garage transition.
10. I am looking into recreating the GTS pack but with blue stitching and blue belts. Only issue is that the belts are shark blue but the only blue stitching is Speed Blue which is a slight concern.
11. Got the impression that the 992.2 GTS is a long long way off.
12. speccing the leather on the steering wheel column seems a good plan, it's a big bit of plastic and you also get your stitching on it.
13, After one of the recent posts i am now confused about seats. I have specced the 4-way sports seats plus because i currently have the 18-way and find there is too much to adjust and i'm always bodging around with it.
14. The roof lining in Alcantara is no longer standard as on 991.2. You have to spec it.
Anyway, happy to wait 18 months so lots of time to change things around.
Phil
1. It was Shark Blue, amazingly zingy colour which i really liked. (currently have crayon)
2. It had buckets and the lightweight pack. Really not for me, the buckets were not as uncomfortable as i thought and they really did cocoon you in, but getting in and out of them was an arse and i felt there is a risk of soiling one's trousers with the effort involved.
3. The lightweight pack - couldn't really tell much apart from lack of rear seats. I need the seats for my small humans.
4. The engine sound was much better than i was expecting. Sounded more throaty and gutteral than my 991.2 and still get the whizz poppers and bangs with Sport mode. I don't know whether that's because it had the lightweight pack and less sound deadening.?
5. It had RWS, i couldn't tell on such a short drive. Unless on a track or at speed, I'm not sure i am a good enough driver to tell apart from the better turning circle. I will spec it though until i go to PEC and see properly.
6. It had adaptive cruise which like in my Tesla, i found slightly off putting as it keeps trying to break if it thinks you haven't seen something (like a parked car)
7. The 992 felt so much more refined than my 991.2. It was very smooth on normal mode and a much more compliant ride. I was very impressed with the ride which was highlighted when i got back in mine.
8. The cabin is a nicer place to be and the PCM is much nicer to use.
9. The front lift was great. You can push a button and the sat nav remembers where you are and activates the lift next time you come to that speed bump etc. I will be speccing it as i have a trickly drive to garage transition.
10. I am looking into recreating the GTS pack but with blue stitching and blue belts. Only issue is that the belts are shark blue but the only blue stitching is Speed Blue which is a slight concern.
11. Got the impression that the 992.2 GTS is a long long way off.
12. speccing the leather on the steering wheel column seems a good plan, it's a big bit of plastic and you also get your stitching on it.
13, After one of the recent posts i am now confused about seats. I have specced the 4-way sports seats plus because i currently have the 18-way and find there is too much to adjust and i'm always bodging around with it.
14. The roof lining in Alcantara is no longer standard as on 991.2. You have to spec it.
Anyway, happy to wait 18 months so lots of time to change things around.
Phil
Polyp said:
So i test drove the new GTS at my OPC yesterday and ended up putting a deposit down. A few observations:
1. It was Shark Blue, amazingly zingy colour which i really liked. (currently have crayon)
2. It had buckets and the lightweight pack. Really not for me, the buckets were not as uncomfortable as i thought and they really did cocoon you in, but getting in and out of them was an arse and i felt there is a risk of soiling one's trousers with the effort involved.
3. The lightweight pack - couldn't really tell much apart from lack of rear seats. I need the seats for my small humans.
4. The engine sound was much better than i was expecting. Sounded more throaty and gutteral than my 991.2 and still get the whizz poppers and bangs with Sport mode. I don't know whether that's because it had the lightweight pack and less sound deadening.?
5. It had RWS, i couldn't tell on such a short drive. Unless on a track or at speed, I'm not sure i am a good enough driver to tell apart from the better turning circle. I will spec it though until i go to PEC and see properly.
6. It had adaptive cruise which like in my Tesla, i found slightly off putting as it keeps trying to break if it thinks you haven't seen something (like a parked car)
7. The 992 felt so much more refined than my 991.2. It was very smooth on normal mode and a much more compliant ride. I was very impressed with the ride which was highlighted when i got back in mine.
8. The cabin is a nicer place to be and the PCM is much nicer to use.
9. The front lift was great. You can push a button and the sat nav remembers where you are and activates the lift next time you come to that speed bump etc. I will be speccing it as i have a trickly drive to garage transition.
10. I am looking into recreating the GTS pack but with blue stitching and blue belts. Only issue is that the belts are shark blue but the only blue stitching is Speed Blue which is a slight concern.
11. Got the impression that the 992.2 GTS is a long long way off.
12. speccing the leather on the steering wheel column seems a good plan, it's a big bit of plastic and you also get your stitching on it.
13, After one of the recent posts i am now confused about seats. I have specced the 4-way sports seats plus because i currently have the 18-way and find there is too much to adjust and i'm always bodging around with it.
14. The roof lining in Alcantara is no longer standard as on 991.2. You have to spec it.
Anyway, happy to wait 18 months so lots of time to change things around.
Phil
992 is a significant step up on the 991.2 in respect of the interior. The 991.2 was so 'old school' its ridiculous, so the 992 has brought it relatively up to date.1. It was Shark Blue, amazingly zingy colour which i really liked. (currently have crayon)
2. It had buckets and the lightweight pack. Really not for me, the buckets were not as uncomfortable as i thought and they really did cocoon you in, but getting in and out of them was an arse and i felt there is a risk of soiling one's trousers with the effort involved.
3. The lightweight pack - couldn't really tell much apart from lack of rear seats. I need the seats for my small humans.
4. The engine sound was much better than i was expecting. Sounded more throaty and gutteral than my 991.2 and still get the whizz poppers and bangs with Sport mode. I don't know whether that's because it had the lightweight pack and less sound deadening.?
5. It had RWS, i couldn't tell on such a short drive. Unless on a track or at speed, I'm not sure i am a good enough driver to tell apart from the better turning circle. I will spec it though until i go to PEC and see properly.
6. It had adaptive cruise which like in my Tesla, i found slightly off putting as it keeps trying to break if it thinks you haven't seen something (like a parked car)
7. The 992 felt so much more refined than my 991.2. It was very smooth on normal mode and a much more compliant ride. I was very impressed with the ride which was highlighted when i got back in mine.
8. The cabin is a nicer place to be and the PCM is much nicer to use.
9. The front lift was great. You can push a button and the sat nav remembers where you are and activates the lift next time you come to that speed bump etc. I will be speccing it as i have a trickly drive to garage transition.
10. I am looking into recreating the GTS pack but with blue stitching and blue belts. Only issue is that the belts are shark blue but the only blue stitching is Speed Blue which is a slight concern.
11. Got the impression that the 992.2 GTS is a long long way off.
12. speccing the leather on the steering wheel column seems a good plan, it's a big bit of plastic and you also get your stitching on it.
13, After one of the recent posts i am now confused about seats. I have specced the 4-way sports seats plus because i currently have the 18-way and find there is too much to adjust and i'm always bodging around with it.
14. The roof lining in Alcantara is no longer standard as on 991.2. You have to spec it.
Anyway, happy to wait 18 months so lots of time to change things around.
Phil
Lightweight pack & RWS for me are for those who can't get a GT3 allocation but want to track the car. I don't see the point if this isn't your intention, and the monies can be far better used making the interior a nicer place to be for more normal driving (or even torward the ceramic brakes which are epic but come with inherent issues if you intent to track the car regularly).
Adaptive cruise and the like, not for me. I hate things like this (also lane assist) as have this in my Etron and are so annoying. The way the GTS stops you'd have to be completely ignoring what was ahead to plough into the back of someone. My concern would more be if I anchored on what would happen behind me as the brakes are truelly epic (and I only have the non ceramic ones).
Enjoy when it turns up. Hopefully timescales will come forward a few months for you.
Polyp said:
So i test drove the new GTS at my OPC yesterday and ended up putting a deposit down. A few observations:
1. It was Shark Blue, amazingly zingy colour which i really liked. (currently have crayon)
2. It had buckets and the lightweight pack. Really not for me, the buckets were not as uncomfortable as i thought and they really did cocoon you in, but getting in and out of them was an arse and i felt there is a risk of soiling one's trousers with the effort involved.
3. The lightweight pack - couldn't really tell much apart from lack of rear seats. I need the seats for my small humans.
4. The engine sound was much better than i was expecting. Sounded more throaty and gutteral than my 991.2 and still get the whizz poppers and bangs with Sport mode. I don't know whether that's because it had the lightweight pack and less sound deadening.?
5. It had RWS, i couldn't tell on such a short drive. Unless on a track or at speed, I'm not sure i am a good enough driver to tell apart from the better turning circle. I will spec it though until i go to PEC and see properly.
6. It had adaptive cruise which like in my Tesla, i found slightly off putting as it keeps trying to break if it thinks you haven't seen something (like a parked car)
7. The 992 felt so much more refined than my 991.2. It was very smooth on normal mode and a much more compliant ride. I was very impressed with the ride which was highlighted when i got back in mine.
8. The cabin is a nicer place to be and the PCM is much nicer to use.
9. The front lift was great. You can push a button and the sat nav remembers where you are and activates the lift next time you come to that speed bump etc. I will be speccing it as i have a trickly drive to garage transition.
10. I am looking into recreating the GTS pack but with blue stitching and blue belts. Only issue is that the belts are shark blue but the only blue stitching is Speed Blue which is a slight concern.
11. Got the impression that the 992.2 GTS is a long long way off.
12. speccing the leather on the steering wheel column seems a good plan, it's a big bit of plastic and you also get your stitching on it.
13, After one of the recent posts i am now confused about seats. I have specced the 4-way sports seats plus because i currently have the 18-way and find there is too much to adjust and i'm always bodging around with it.
14. The roof lining in Alcantara is no longer standard as on 991.2. You have to spec it.
Anyway, happy to wait 18 months so lots of time to change things around.
Phil
1. It was Shark Blue, amazingly zingy colour which i really liked. (currently have crayon)
2. It had buckets and the lightweight pack. Really not for me, the buckets were not as uncomfortable as i thought and they really did cocoon you in, but getting in and out of them was an arse and i felt there is a risk of soiling one's trousers with the effort involved.
3. The lightweight pack - couldn't really tell much apart from lack of rear seats. I need the seats for my small humans.
4. The engine sound was much better than i was expecting. Sounded more throaty and gutteral than my 991.2 and still get the whizz poppers and bangs with Sport mode. I don't know whether that's because it had the lightweight pack and less sound deadening.?
5. It had RWS, i couldn't tell on such a short drive. Unless on a track or at speed, I'm not sure i am a good enough driver to tell apart from the better turning circle. I will spec it though until i go to PEC and see properly.
6. It had adaptive cruise which like in my Tesla, i found slightly off putting as it keeps trying to break if it thinks you haven't seen something (like a parked car)
7. The 992 felt so much more refined than my 991.2. It was very smooth on normal mode and a much more compliant ride. I was very impressed with the ride which was highlighted when i got back in mine.
8. The cabin is a nicer place to be and the PCM is much nicer to use.
9. The front lift was great. You can push a button and the sat nav remembers where you are and activates the lift next time you come to that speed bump etc. I will be speccing it as i have a trickly drive to garage transition.
10. I am looking into recreating the GTS pack but with blue stitching and blue belts. Only issue is that the belts are shark blue but the only blue stitching is Speed Blue which is a slight concern.
11. Got the impression that the 992.2 GTS is a long long way off.
12. speccing the leather on the steering wheel column seems a good plan, it's a big bit of plastic and you also get your stitching on it.
13, After one of the recent posts i am now confused about seats. I have specced the 4-way sports seats plus because i currently have the 18-way and find there is too much to adjust and i'm always bodging around with it.
14. The roof lining in Alcantara is no longer standard as on 991.2. You have to spec it.
Anyway, happy to wait 18 months so lots of time to change things around.
Phil
Great write up and summary, and congratulations on your order.
I won't be regularly tracking mine, but will do a couple here in the UK along with the yearly trip to Nurburgring for the road trip and a few laps while I'm there. So on my C2 GTS PDK, I've also specced Rear Axle Steering and added Front Axle Lift as I too have a funny drive to negotiate before I get into the garage. Also, as I have added the Aerokit, I believe it gives you a bigger and lower Front Splitter and therefore FAL will help keep that scratch free. I haven't specced Lightweight Package for the same reasons you mention.
I'm a bit confused too around the seats now following that post yesterday. My understanding was that the Sports Plus seats were exactly the same to look regardless of 4-Way or 18-Way, and it was just that the 18-Ways have a lot more adjustment and obviously add some more weight given the extra mechanics inside them. Rennlist peeps seem to suggest they are the same visually also. Nevertheless, the car I drove at PEC had the 4-Ways and I found them perfect, much more comfortable and supportive than I'm used to coming from an M4 Comp and so I'll stick with the 4-Ways.
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