The $1.8m Ultimate 911
Discussion
MrVert said:
IMI A said:
You'll feel a million dollars in the Singer. Having spent 2 million dollars...
I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
IMI A said:
I'm being mean I'd let Rob build a car for me if it looked and felt slightly more attainable. Attainabilty and simplicity is an important part of the 911 DNA
I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
Morning I I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
Nice enough/lovely car, though I thought the owner came across as little more than a pretentious pr*ck....You can just hear the conversation
"Guys, can you crowbar a moody/atmospheric shot of my watch into the video" ...
and
"The reason I chose the fixed rear wing was to save 7-10lbs"
Pretentious twaddle springs to mind.
But lets get down to the nitty gritty. The four Singer commissions that have sold on Collecting Cars over the past 12 months have averaged 3200 miles each since being restored 6 years ago. However those figures are somewhat skewed as the oldest car of the four is now 8 years old and has been driven nearly 9000 miles, so the other three have actually averaged 1250 miles in the six years since being restored, or roughly 17 miles a month...
I have to admit to having fallen victim to the Singer/Dickinson Kool Aid, I used to think these cars were the ultimate aircooled daily driver, and they would be just that, daily drivers driven by oh so cool enthusiasts.
It’s now increasingly clear they’re little more than trinkets that many of their owners consider to be objet d’art, and the DLS has only further reinforced that perspective.
Rob Dickinson is without a doubt the consummate salesman/media attention w
e (and fair play to him, he’s bloody good at it) It appears he now has some pretty serious financial backer/s, and they'll no doubt want a return on their investment. What was once a rather quaint and admirable “cottage industry” is turning into a another corporate entity, effectively "mass producing" these cars, and to that end, I think I’m correct in saying the “standard” Singer commissions are being churned out at the rate of 3-4 a month now.
Alan Sugar once said of Katie Hopkins : “She’d turn up to the opening of an envelope if she got an invite”.
One can’t help but feel the same applies to a certain Mr Harris when given the opportunity to garner further publicity for himself.
Dickinson no doubt saw a kindred spirit/publicity w
e in Harris and realised he’d give Singer some further credibility. Don’t get me wrong, I still like and respect Dickinson and his ethos, but if I hear another journalist say he's a car designer, I'll scream, as by Dickinson's own admission, he embarked on a car design course at Coventry University, but quickly realised he enjoyed being in a band more, and thus decided to persue that instead. I'm sure he knows a damn sight more about car design than I ever will, but a car designer he ain't. As others have said, he's re-engineered/hot rodded a 911 beautifully, but design it ? No.
The designer tag is better applied to the likes of Horatio Pagani and Christian Koenigsegg.
That's not to say I don't appreciate the engineering and attention to detail in all the Singer builds, I do, but one can't help but feel Dickinson/his backers are now building the brand with a view to ...
I’d respect the Singer ethos more if he’d chosen the Eagle E Type/GTO Engineering approach : that being low profile, low volume, minimal publicity etc, rather than the “Instagram” approach he (and his financial backers ?) have decided upon.
I may be wrong in all the above, and if over the next 5-10 ten years we see the odd DLS being used in the manner Rowan Atkinson used his F1 (or travel stained whilst being thrashed mercilessly around europe) I'll happily be corrected.
P.S
And Julian, you're a heathen. The 3.8 RS is the finest and rarest iteration of a normally aspirated 964 ever built. Engineered and built by racers, for racers, to win races. They weren't designed to spend their lives in some oligarch's anonymous collection, wrapped up in cotton wool in a dehumidified, air conditioned tomb.
The car at The Hairpin Company is infinitely more cool than any of Singer's "Faberge eggs".
As you were
IMI A said:
I want to be like that man in black Singer when i grow pls Santa
I'd take your/Greig's old 993 hommage over the black Singer everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.Granted I'd then beat a path to BBS Motorsport, Rothsport, the Performance Shock Inc and FVD and spunk £75K on a 4.0 380-400hp motor, a set of TTX's, some mag centred E26 wheels, and an RSR kit
but I'd have something more everyday usable that I wouldn't be too precious about.
Slippydiff said:
IMI A said:
I'm being mean I'd let Rob build a car for me if it looked and felt slightly more attainable. Attainabilty and simplicity is an important part of the 911 DNA
I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
Morning I I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
Nice enough/lovely car, though I thought the owner came across as little more than a pretentious pr*ck....You can just hear the conversation
"Guys, can you crowbar a moody/atmospheric shot of my watch into the video" ...
and
"The reason I chose the fixed rear wing was to save 7-10lbs"
Pretentious twaddle springs to mind.
But lets get down to the nitty gritty. The four Singer commissions that have sold on Collecting Cars over the past 12 months have averaged 3200 miles each since being restored 6 years ago. However those figures are somewhat skewed as the oldest car of the four is now 8 years old and has been driven nearly 9000 miles, so the other three have actually averaged 1250 miles in the six years since being restored, or roughly 17 miles a month...
I have to admit to having fallen victim to the Singer/Dickinson Kool Aid, I used to think these cars were the ultimate aircooled daily driver, and they would be just that, daily drivers driven by oh so cool enthusiasts.
It’s now increasingly clear they’re little more than trinkets that many of their owners consider to be objet d’art, and the DLS has only further reinforced that perspective.
Rob Dickinson is without a doubt the consummate salesman/media attention w
e (and fair play to him, he’s bloody good at it) It appears he now has some pretty serious financial backer/s, and they'll no doubt want a return on their investment. What was once a rather quaint and admirable “cottage industry” is turning into a another corporate entity, effectively "mass producing" these cars, and to that end, I think I’m correct in saying the “standard” Singer commissions are being churned out at the rate of 3-4 a month now.
Alan Sugar once said of Katie Hopkins : “She’d turn up to the opening of an envelope if she got an invite”.
One can’t help but feel the same applies to a certain Mr Harris when given the opportunity to garner further publicity for himself.
Dickinson no doubt saw a kindred spirit/publicity w
e in Harris and realised he’d give Singer some further credibility. Don’t get me wrong, I still like and respect Dickinson and his ethos, but if I hear another journalist say he's a car designer, I'll scream, as by Dickinson's own admission, he embarked on a car design course at Coventry University, but quickly realised he enjoyed being in a band more, and thus decided to persue that instead. I'm sure he knows a damn sight more about car design than I ever will, but a car designer he ain't. As others have said, he's re-engineered/hot rodded a 911 beautifully, but design it ? No.
The designer tag is better applied to the likes of Horatio Pagani and Christian Koenigsegg.
That's not to say I don't appreciate the engineering and attention to detail in all the Singer builds, I do, but one can't help but feel Dickinson/his backers are now building the brand with a view to ...
I’d respect the Singer ethos more if he’d chosen the Eagle E Type/GTO Engineering approach : that being low profile, low volume, minimal publicity etc, rather than the “Instagram” approach he (and his financial backers ?) have decided upon.
I may be wrong in all the above, and if over the next 5-10 ten years we see the odd DLS being used in the manner Rowan Atkinson used his F1 (or travel stained whilst being thrashed mercilessly around europe) I'll happily be corrected.
P.S
And Julian, you're a heathen. The 3.8 RS is the finest and rarest iteration of a normally aspirated 964 ever built. Engineered and built by racers, for racers, to win races. They weren't designed to spend their lives in some oligarch's anonymous collection, wrapped up in cotton wool in a dehumidified, air conditioned tomb.
The car at The Hairpin Company is infinitely more cool than any of Singer's "Faberge eggs".
As you were
Whats your point again?
"Three subsequent owners have enjoyed the RS and looked after it carefully"
I suspect that involved 'cotton-wool'
Sure you may disagree,I respect your preference yet we are entitled to have different opinions, so why call me names?
Slippydiff said:
I'd take your/Greig's old 993 hommage over the black Singer everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
Granted I'd then beat a path to BBS Motorsport, Rothsport, the Performance Shock Inc and FVD and spunk £75K on a 4.0 380-400hp motor, a set of TTX's, some mag centred E26 wheels, and an RSR kit but I'd have something more everyday usable that I wouldn't be too precious about.
That's lovely. I even like the colour, although I'd have it in Miami blue if I had the choice. Granted I'd then beat a path to BBS Motorsport, Rothsport, the Performance Shock Inc and FVD and spunk £75K on a 4.0 380-400hp motor, a set of TTX's, some mag centred E26 wheels, and an RSR kit
but I'd have something more everyday usable that I wouldn't be too precious about.
julian987R said:
Slippydiff said:
IMI A said:
I'm being mean I'd let Rob build a car for me if it looked and felt slightly more attainable. Attainabilty and simplicity is an important part of the 911 DNA
I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
Morning I I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
Nice enough/lovely car, though I thought the owner came across as little more than a pretentious pr*ck....You can just hear the conversation
"Guys, can you crowbar a moody/atmospheric shot of my watch into the video" ...
and
"The reason I chose the fixed rear wing was to save 7-10lbs"
Pretentious twaddle springs to mind.
But lets get down to the nitty gritty. The four Singer commissions that have sold on Collecting Cars over the past 12 months have averaged 3200 miles each since being restored 6 years ago. However those figures are somewhat skewed as the oldest car of the four is now 8 years old and has been driven nearly 9000 miles, so the other three have actually averaged 1250 miles in the six years since being restored, or roughly 17 miles a month...
I have to admit to having fallen victim to the Singer/Dickinson Kool Aid, I used to think these cars were the ultimate aircooled daily driver, and they would be just that, daily drivers driven by oh so cool enthusiasts.
It’s now increasingly clear they’re little more than trinkets that many of their owners consider to be objet d’art, and the DLS has only further reinforced that perspective.
Rob Dickinson is without a doubt the consummate salesman/media attention w
e (and fair play to him, he’s bloody good at it) It appears he now has some pretty serious financial backer/s, and they'll no doubt want a return on their investment. What was once a rather quaint and admirable “cottage industry” is turning into a another corporate entity, effectively "mass producing" these cars, and to that end, I think I’m correct in saying the “standard” Singer commissions are being churned out at the rate of 3-4 a month now.
Alan Sugar once said of Katie Hopkins : “She’d turn up to the opening of an envelope if she got an invite”.
One can’t help but feel the same applies to a certain Mr Harris when given the opportunity to garner further publicity for himself.
Dickinson no doubt saw a kindred spirit/publicity w
e in Harris and realised he’d give Singer some further credibility. Don’t get me wrong, I still like and respect Dickinson and his ethos, but if I hear another journalist say he's a car designer, I'll scream, as by Dickinson's own admission, he embarked on a car design course at Coventry University, but quickly realised he enjoyed being in a band more, and thus decided to persue that instead. I'm sure he knows a damn sight more about car design than I ever will, but a car designer he ain't. As others have said, he's re-engineered/hot rodded a 911 beautifully, but design it ? No.
The designer tag is better applied to the likes of Horatio Pagani and Christian Koenigsegg.
That's not to say I don't appreciate the engineering and attention to detail in all the Singer builds, I do, but one can't help but feel Dickinson/his backers are now building the brand with a view to ...
I’d respect the Singer ethos more if he’d chosen the Eagle E Type/GTO Engineering approach : that being low profile, low volume, minimal publicity etc, rather than the “Instagram” approach he (and his financial backers ?) have decided upon.
I may be wrong in all the above, and if over the next 5-10 ten years we see the odd DLS being used in the manner Rowan Atkinson used his F1 (or travel stained whilst being thrashed mercilessly around europe) I'll happily be corrected.
P.S
And Julian, you're a heathen. The 3.8 RS is the finest and rarest iteration of a normally aspirated 964 ever built. Engineered and built by racers, for racers, to win races. They weren't designed to spend their lives in some oligarch's anonymous collection, wrapped up in cotton wool in a dehumidified, air conditioned tomb.
The car at The Hairpin Company is infinitely more cool than any of Singer's "Faberge eggs".
As you were
Whats your point again?
"Three subsequent owners have enjoyed the RS and looked after it carefully"
I suspect that involved 'cotton-wool'
Sure you may disagree,I respect your preference yet we are entitled to have different opinions, so why call me names?
Go try the 3.8 rs,3.8rsr is a true level above the rs again,as for ultimate 911 well there are many to choose from and a singer aint one of them for me, the williams engine is a wicked bit of engineering, dare i say it copied from a couple of unique 4 cam half 917 engines that money cant buy that look proper period motors.
Yellow491 said:
julian987R said:
Slippydiff said:
IMI A said:
I'm being mean I'd let Rob build a car for me if it looked and felt slightly more attainable. Attainabilty and simplicity is an important part of the 911 DNA
I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
Morning I I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.
Nice enough/lovely car, though I thought the owner came across as little more than a pretentious pr*ck....You can just hear the conversation
"Guys, can you crowbar a moody/atmospheric shot of my watch into the video" ...
and
"The reason I chose the fixed rear wing was to save 7-10lbs"
Pretentious twaddle springs to mind.
But lets get down to the nitty gritty. The four Singer commissions that have sold on Collecting Cars over the past 12 months have averaged 3200 miles each since being restored 6 years ago. However those figures are somewhat skewed as the oldest car of the four is now 8 years old and has been driven nearly 9000 miles, so the other three have actually averaged 1250 miles in the six years since being restored, or roughly 17 miles a month...
I have to admit to having fallen victim to the Singer/Dickinson Kool Aid, I used to think these cars were the ultimate aircooled daily driver, and they would be just that, daily drivers driven by oh so cool enthusiasts.
It’s now increasingly clear they’re little more than trinkets that many of their owners consider to be objet d’art, and the DLS has only further reinforced that perspective.
Rob Dickinson is without a doubt the consummate salesman/media attention w
e (and fair play to him, he’s bloody good at it) It appears he now has some pretty serious financial backer/s, and they'll no doubt want a return on their investment. What was once a rather quaint and admirable “cottage industry” is turning into a another corporate entity, effectively "mass producing" these cars, and to that end, I think I’m correct in saying the “standard” Singer commissions are being churned out at the rate of 3-4 a month now.
Alan Sugar once said of Katie Hopkins : “She’d turn up to the opening of an envelope if she got an invite”.
One can’t help but feel the same applies to a certain Mr Harris when given the opportunity to garner further publicity for himself.
Dickinson no doubt saw a kindred spirit/publicity w
e in Harris and realised he’d give Singer some further credibility. Don’t get me wrong, I still like and respect Dickinson and his ethos, but if I hear another journalist say he's a car designer, I'll scream, as by Dickinson's own admission, he embarked on a car design course at Coventry University, but quickly realised he enjoyed being in a band more, and thus decided to persue that instead. I'm sure he knows a damn sight more about car design than I ever will, but a car designer he ain't. As others have said, he's re-engineered/hot rodded a 911 beautifully, but design it ? No.
The designer tag is better applied to the likes of Horatio Pagani and Christian Koenigsegg.
That's not to say I don't appreciate the engineering and attention to detail in all the Singer builds, I do, but one can't help but feel Dickinson/his backers are now building the brand with a view to ...
I’d respect the Singer ethos more if he’d chosen the Eagle E Type/GTO Engineering approach : that being low profile, low volume, minimal publicity etc, rather than the “Instagram” approach he (and his financial backers ?) have decided upon.
I may be wrong in all the above, and if over the next 5-10 ten years we see the odd DLS being used in the manner Rowan Atkinson used his F1 (or travel stained whilst being thrashed mercilessly around europe) I'll happily be corrected.
P.S
And Julian, you're a heathen. The 3.8 RS is the finest and rarest iteration of a normally aspirated 964 ever built. Engineered and built by racers, for racers, to win races. They weren't designed to spend their lives in some oligarch's anonymous collection, wrapped up in cotton wool in a dehumidified, air conditioned tomb.
The car at The Hairpin Company is infinitely more cool than any of Singer's "Faberge eggs".
As you were
Whats your point again?
"Three subsequent owners have enjoyed the RS and looked after it carefully"
I suspect that involved 'cotton-wool'
Sure you may disagree,I respect your preference yet we are entitled to have different opinions, so why call me names?
Go try the 3.8 rs,3.8rsr is a true level above the rs again,as for ultimate 911 well there are many to choose from and a singer aint one of them for me, the williams engine is a wicked bit of engineering, dare i say it copied from a couple of unique 4 cam half 917 engines that money cant buy that look proper period motors.
no matter what your taste is, one can't question they are next level in modified Porsches.
The 'ultimate' is what Cerfection are saying, then again I do agree with them....but I'm splitting hairs now in my reasoning.
It would be a dull world if we all liked the same thing, but an unpleasant world if we resort to name calling just if one is in disagreement. Best regards
Digga said:
Slippydiff said:
CocoUK said:
Pretentious twaddle from Petrolicious? Quite a surprise...
Sine Qua Non....
Coblitz asked if he's up his own ar*e
What, you mean pretentious ? Moi ?
Coblitz : "Every single thing in that car is essential to that car existing"
Really ? Let's start with the auxiliary lights on the bonnet ...
mike74 said:
The interior of the featured car looked a bit naff for my liking, in particular the rev counter which looked just like my grannies old mantlepiece clock.
I agree with this...prefer the interior of the normal Singer.I just don't get the price point. Sure there's a lot of R&D gone into that engine but it seems like a ludicrous price. Normal Singer + 2.7 RS + CGT for the same money.
3.8RS at Hairpin is ex Dario Franchitti who sold it because "it's too good to use and I don't have a problem using my cars" or words to that effect. Priced as a museum piece not as a car. Although I did read about someone buying a delivery mileage F40 from Girardo & Co who uses the car...so there are some people with the money to buy these cars who have petrol in their veins.
Its a very different mentality in the car market I've been finding out. If I was selling something like that red 3.8RS as an "asset class" like some firms are I'd be trying to leave at least 20% up lift for the punter on the basis if the punter can afford that sort of money you want him as a long term client. I'd also always quote one price if someone inquires about the car and not all this POA malarky. Could lead to embarrassing mistakes as punters always talk to each other.
As an aside a CGT at £700k is a no brainer if you can find a good one at that money. I know of minter CGT serviced annually at Reading on the button last year bought for £645k and sold for £665k. The 3.8 RS can not be more IMO. Its a 964 variant of which there were what 70,000 odd made? I don't get it but as an object of desire to look at one of the sexiest 911 silhouettes around with a motorsport pedigree.
The ultimate 911 is generally the one you own as its suits your lifestyle
I do like this - mad
As an aside a CGT at £700k is a no brainer if you can find a good one at that money. I know of minter CGT serviced annually at Reading on the button last year bought for £645k and sold for £665k. The 3.8 RS can not be more IMO. Its a 964 variant of which there were what 70,000 odd made? I don't get it but as an object of desire to look at one of the sexiest 911 silhouettes around with a motorsport pedigree.
The ultimate 911 is generally the one you own as its suits your lifestyle
I do like this - mad
IMI A said:
Its a very different mentality in the car market I've been finding out. If I was selling something like that red 3.8RS as an "asset class" like some firms are I'd be trying to leave at least 20% up lift for the punter on the basis if the punter can afford that sort of money you want him as a long term client. I'd also always quote one price if someone inquires about the car and not all this POA malarky. Could lead to embarrassing mistakes as punters always talk to each other.
As an aside a CGT at £700k is a no brainer if you can find a good one at that money. I know of minter CGT serviced annually at Reading on the button last year bought for £645k and sold for £665k. The 3.8 RS can not be more IMO. Its a 964 variant of which there were what 70,000 odd made? I don't get it but as an object of desire to look at one of the sexiest 911 silhouettes around with a motorsport pedigree.
The ultimate 911 is generally the one you own as its suits your lifestyle
I do like this - mad
As an aside a CGT at £700k is a no brainer if you can find a good one at that money. I know of minter CGT serviced annually at Reading on the button last year bought for £645k and sold for £665k. The 3.8 RS can not be more IMO. Its a 964 variant of which there were what 70,000 odd made? I don't get it but as an object of desire to look at one of the sexiest 911 silhouettes around with a motorsport pedigree.
The ultimate 911 is generally the one you own as its suits your lifestyle
I do like this - mad
Sorry I, not for me. And much as I admire the concept of the engineering in/under the DLS, the interior and exterior are just too OTT. I prefer Ruf's understated ,almost OE look.
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