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Evening All,
Good car, good buy ?
Some considered advice if you may. Previous 3.2 (1987) owner looking to now get back into a modern one I can drive daily.
Seems 2018 onwards looking at £90k+ which then begs the question can you get into a standard 992 for a little more.
Am I right in thinking a late 991.2 GTS will hold its value better and ultimately be more fun to drive and own ?
Also any must haves on options. Can live without a sunroof, one I looked at had no reversing camera again something not too worried on.
Thoughts appreciated.
Thank you.
Good car, good buy ?
Some considered advice if you may. Previous 3.2 (1987) owner looking to now get back into a modern one I can drive daily.
Seems 2018 onwards looking at £90k+ which then begs the question can you get into a standard 992 for a little more.
Am I right in thinking a late 991.2 GTS will hold its value better and ultimately be more fun to drive and own ?
Also any must haves on options. Can live without a sunroof, one I looked at had no reversing camera again something not too worried on.
Thoughts appreciated.
Thank you.
Probably my favourite 911 I've owned GT cars excepted, Much better than the 992S i also briefly owned, It needs RAS to really shine and the PDK with the option to change gear manually using the shifter is much better then the 992's silly shaver. Truly underrated modern 911 IMO.
Just make sure you get a pre GPF one as they sound much better
Just make sure you get a pre GPF one as they sound much better
Had my .2GTS for 4 months now and think it’s a great car..17 reg pdk 2 wd and no particulate filter . Only done 3k miles in it and came from a 991.1s so had something to compare with. The 3.0 turbo engine is very different to na unit…it will drop into 6th at less than 30mph if in town on a light throttle. A bit weird as the car sounds as if it’s labouring and doesn’t have much flexibility in this condition. Once up the revs and turbos spool it keeps up with early 991 gt3’s up to around the legal limit and is only left behind by small margins up to 120 ish ( tried this on track a few times ) So to me anyway it’s fast enough and easily gets 30 mpg when out and about. Compared to a 992…(a friend has a 2s ) I think the engine is the same ( or very similar) the fact that the 992 has an eight speed box with much faster response times gives his car a good edge on acceleration. Side by side the 992 shows it’s width compared to 991 but the interior is definitely more upmarket . If I was in your situation I’d drive both and suspect the newer car could appeal more…I also had an old 3.2 ( and liked it a lot) many years ago , compared to these cars it’s Morris minor performance ….good luck with your choice.
Good points made above. The 991.2 is a great car and the GTS a great package. IMO the 3.0 engine is a terrific bit of kit, even though it's not NA; it even sounds great.
As others have said, the T is well worth a look (I love mine), and the last narrow-bodied 911.
992? Rather lacking in character compared with the 991, although the interior is classy - as long as you ignore the stupid gear selector.
As others have said, the T is well worth a look (I love mine), and the last narrow-bodied 911.
992? Rather lacking in character compared with the 991, although the interior is classy - as long as you ignore the stupid gear selector.
Maxym said:
Good points made above. The 991.2 is a great car and the GTS a great package. IMO the 3.0 engine is a terrific bit of kit, even though it's not NA; it even sounds great.
As others have said, the T is well worth a look (I love mine), and the last narrow-bodied 911.
992? Rather lacking in character compared with the 991, although the interior is classy - as long as you ignore the stupid gear selector.
Interior looks good on the 992 but I’d rather have buttons to press than menus to scroll through ,As others have said, the T is well worth a look (I love mine), and the last narrow-bodied 911.
992? Rather lacking in character compared with the 991, although the interior is classy - as long as you ignore the stupid gear selector.
Maxym said:
Good points made above. The 991.2 is a great car and the GTS a great package. IMO the 3.0 engine is a terrific bit of kit, even though it's not NA; it even sounds great.
As others have said, the T is well worth a look (I love mine), and the last narrow-bodied 911.
992? Rather lacking in character compared with the 991, although the interior is classy - as long as you ignore the stupid gear selector.
Agree re the sound from what I'd read i was expecting to be disappointed with my T but it sounds great and is definitely getting better with more miles. As others have said, the T is well worth a look (I love mine), and the last narrow-bodied 911.
992? Rather lacking in character compared with the 991, although the interior is classy - as long as you ignore the stupid gear selector.
My 996T many moons ago sounded crap in comparison, it really is a case of don't believe what you read online as I don't miss NA one bit and I was one of the naysayers..
franki68 said:
Maxym said:
Good points made above. The 991.2 is a great car and the GTS a great package. IMO the 3.0 engine is a terrific bit of kit, even though it's not NA; it even sounds great.
As others have said, the T is well worth a look (I love mine), and the last narrow-bodied 911.
992? Rather lacking in character compared with the 991, although the interior is classy - as long as you ignore the stupid gear selector.
Interior looks good on the 992 but I’d rather have buttons to press than menus to scroll through ,As others have said, the T is well worth a look (I love mine), and the last narrow-bodied 911.
992? Rather lacking in character compared with the 991, although the interior is classy - as long as you ignore the stupid gear selector.
Re 992 vs 991.2 I also think the older car is better made/better materials in the interior, same for other models too.
Re 991.2 GTS, think they are great cars and if I wanted to daily a 911 it is the car I would buy.. Ideally buy pre summer 18 built/delivered cars as they don’t have the GPF. Also don’t believe the 991’s are huge compared to previous 911’s…they aren’t. I have a 991.2 and a 997.2 they are virtually identical width. Glasshouse of the 991.2 is bigger which makes the car feel bigger.
Personally wouldn’t buy a T as a daily as I think the ethos of that car is that it should be specced to reflect it being a lightweight drivers car…i.e. buckets, manual, no rear seats, PCCB’s etc.
Re 991.2 GTS, think they are great cars and if I wanted to daily a 911 it is the car I would buy.. Ideally buy pre summer 18 built/delivered cars as they don’t have the GPF. Also don’t believe the 991’s are huge compared to previous 911’s…they aren’t. I have a 991.2 and a 997.2 they are virtually identical width. Glasshouse of the 991.2 is bigger which makes the car feel bigger.
Personally wouldn’t buy a T as a daily as I think the ethos of that car is that it should be specced to reflect it being a lightweight drivers car…i.e. buckets, manual, no rear seats, PCCB’s etc.
Polome said:
Had my .2GTS for 4 months now and think it’s a great car..17 reg pdk 2 wd and no particulate filter . Only done 3k miles in it and came from a 991.1s so had something to compare with. The 3.0 turbo engine is very different to na unit…it will drop into 6th at less than 30mph if in town on a light throttle. A bit weird as the car sounds as if it’s labouring and doesn’t have much flexibility in this condition. Once up the revs and turbos spool it keeps up with early 991 gt3’s up to around the legal limit and is only left behind by small margins up to 120 ish ( tried this on track a few times ) So to me anyway it’s fast enough and easily gets 30 mpg when out and about. Compared to a 992…(a friend has a 2s ) I think the engine is the same ( or very similar) the fact that the 992 has an eight speed box with much faster response times gives his car a good edge on acceleration. Side by side the 992 shows it’s width compared to 991 but the interior is definitely more upmarket . If I was in your situation I’d drive both and suspect the newer car could appeal more…I also had an old 3.2 ( and liked it a lot) many years ago , compared to these cars it’s Morris minor performance ….good luck with your choice.
Thought I’d send a pic of a pair ….the 992 from this angle looks wider than it actually is…good hips on the 991 though…
Edited by Polome on Wednesday 13th October 21:22
I was in exactly the same position as the OP a year ago. 991.2 GTS or nearly new 992 CS.
At Tonbridge OPC at the time they had both cars in the showroom and i kept sitting in one and then the other.
The GTS felt more special and was more exciting and although the 992 interior is better quality and more modern, it was actually the full GTS interior pack that i preferred on the 991.2. All the alcantara and the stitching which i know doesn't affect how the car drives and it looked like a proper sports car to me.
Also a part of me wanting to have a 991 for a while and the 992 GTS was not released yet.
Anyway, i plumbed for a late 2017 991.2 GTS in Crayon with 12k on the clock. It had ridiculous spec including stuff i would never had forked out for like burmester. I haven't regretted it once. I like the 3.0 engine as it's completely different to the 3.2 NA in my 986 Boxster. Power delivery from the line is almost too brutal sometimes though. To me it sounds and looks great and it's clearly quite visually different to the standard 991 C and CS cars.
It's so usable day to day as well. The mpg is great and frequently get mid 30s on long trips. I have the rear reversing camera but it's a bit pants to be honest, although still useful. It's like looking through the bottom of a milk bottle.
Ultimately for me, i went for the GTS because i found the exact spec i wanted. If i had not found that car i guess i would kept looking until maybe the 992 started to appeal more. Funnily enough i never test drove a 992 so doing a comparison in terms of how they drive wasn't possible.
My 992 time will come though....
At Tonbridge OPC at the time they had both cars in the showroom and i kept sitting in one and then the other.
The GTS felt more special and was more exciting and although the 992 interior is better quality and more modern, it was actually the full GTS interior pack that i preferred on the 991.2. All the alcantara and the stitching which i know doesn't affect how the car drives and it looked like a proper sports car to me.
Also a part of me wanting to have a 991 for a while and the 992 GTS was not released yet.
Anyway, i plumbed for a late 2017 991.2 GTS in Crayon with 12k on the clock. It had ridiculous spec including stuff i would never had forked out for like burmester. I haven't regretted it once. I like the 3.0 engine as it's completely different to the 3.2 NA in my 986 Boxster. Power delivery from the line is almost too brutal sometimes though. To me it sounds and looks great and it's clearly quite visually different to the standard 991 C and CS cars.
It's so usable day to day as well. The mpg is great and frequently get mid 30s on long trips. I have the rear reversing camera but it's a bit pants to be honest, although still useful. It's like looking through the bottom of a milk bottle.
Ultimately for me, i went for the GTS because i found the exact spec i wanted. If i had not found that car i guess i would kept looking until maybe the 992 started to appeal more. Funnily enough i never test drove a 992 so doing a comparison in terms of how they drive wasn't possible.
My 992 time will come though....
Im another that went 991.2 GTS rather than 992S and because of its high PTS spec paid more for it.
The main reasons were
As a long time 911 owner the loss of the analogue look dials in favour of the nintendo dash wasnt for me at least for now.
Second a friend who owns many 911,s dumped his two 992 fairly quickly in favour of adding another 991 to the fleet citing that the 992 felt sanitised by comparison - too good ?
Finally the early 992 still seemed to be suffering teething problems so I didnt want to end up with a lemon.
Now I still have no regrets and actually prefer the 991 look and size. The turbo unit is good for a daily and whilst I still fondly remember the 997GTS I had the turbo is up there in a different way. I have RWS plus PDCC and the jury is out as to whether a non RWS is more like a traditional 911 drive as the RWS makes it more like a mid engine in feel. Overall I prefer the chassis balance of the 997GTS if not its older PASM.
The main reasons were
As a long time 911 owner the loss of the analogue look dials in favour of the nintendo dash wasnt for me at least for now.
Second a friend who owns many 911,s dumped his two 992 fairly quickly in favour of adding another 991 to the fleet citing that the 992 felt sanitised by comparison - too good ?
Finally the early 992 still seemed to be suffering teething problems so I didnt want to end up with a lemon.
Now I still have no regrets and actually prefer the 991 look and size. The turbo unit is good for a daily and whilst I still fondly remember the 997GTS I had the turbo is up there in a different way. I have RWS plus PDCC and the jury is out as to whether a non RWS is more like a traditional 911 drive as the RWS makes it more like a mid engine in feel. Overall I prefer the chassis balance of the 997GTS if not its older PASM.
Polyp said:
I was in exactly the same position as the OP a year ago. 991.2 GTS or nearly new 992 CS.
At Tonbridge OPC at the time they had both cars in the showroom and i kept sitting in one and then the other.
The GTS felt more special and was more exciting and although the 992 interior is better quality and more modern, it was actually the full GTS interior pack that i preferred on the 991.2. All the alcantara and the stitching which i know doesn't affect how the car drives and it looked like a proper sports car to me.
Also a part of me wanting to have a 991 for a while and the 992 GTS was not released yet.
Anyway, i plumbed for a late 2017 991.2 GTS in Crayon with 12k on the clock. It had ridiculous spec including stuff i would never had forked out for like burmester. I haven't regretted it once. I like the 3.0 engine as it's completely different to the 3.2 NA in my 986 Boxster. Power delivery from the line is almost too brutal sometimes though. To me it sounds and looks great and it's clearly quite visually different to the standard 991 C and CS cars.
It's so usable day to day as well. The mpg is great and frequently get mid 30s on long trips. I have the rear reversing camera but it's a bit pants to be honest, although still useful. It's like looking through the bottom of a milk bottle.
Ultimately for me, i went for the GTS because i found the exact spec i wanted. If i had not found that car i guess i would kept looking until maybe the 992 started to appeal more. Funnily enough i never test drove a 992 so doing a comparison in terms of how they drive wasn't possible.
My 992 time will come though....
Almost identical to my story. I love mine (991.2 GTS in Crayon). Occasionally hanker after a manual (got a Yaris for manual fun) but the PDK box is still brilliant. I cancelled a 992 deposit because I just don’t need more 911 than mine offers me. Great cars. At Tonbridge OPC at the time they had both cars in the showroom and i kept sitting in one and then the other.
The GTS felt more special and was more exciting and although the 992 interior is better quality and more modern, it was actually the full GTS interior pack that i preferred on the 991.2. All the alcantara and the stitching which i know doesn't affect how the car drives and it looked like a proper sports car to me.
Also a part of me wanting to have a 991 for a while and the 992 GTS was not released yet.
Anyway, i plumbed for a late 2017 991.2 GTS in Crayon with 12k on the clock. It had ridiculous spec including stuff i would never had forked out for like burmester. I haven't regretted it once. I like the 3.0 engine as it's completely different to the 3.2 NA in my 986 Boxster. Power delivery from the line is almost too brutal sometimes though. To me it sounds and looks great and it's clearly quite visually different to the standard 991 C and CS cars.
It's so usable day to day as well. The mpg is great and frequently get mid 30s on long trips. I have the rear reversing camera but it's a bit pants to be honest, although still useful. It's like looking through the bottom of a milk bottle.
Ultimately for me, i went for the GTS because i found the exact spec i wanted. If i had not found that car i guess i would kept looking until maybe the 992 started to appeal more. Funnily enough i never test drove a 992 so doing a comparison in terms of how they drive wasn't possible.
My 992 time will come though....
I’ve had my 991.2 GTS for a year now and think it’s a great car. I ended up going for a manual (which I absolutely love, the box is so sweet) and whilst it has a few options, I don’t think there are any must haves. That said, the GTS interior definitely makes the car special inside and the sunroof provides some welcomed light to the cabin. I do like my music and I think the Bose system is actually pretty decent.
Polome said:
Polome said:
Had my .2GTS for 4 months now and think it’s a great car..17 reg pdk 2 wd and no particulate filter . Only done 3k miles in it and came from a 991.1s so had something to compare with. The 3.0 turbo engine is very different to na unit…it will drop into 6th at less than 30mph if in town on a light throttle. A bit weird as the car sounds as if it’s labouring and doesn’t have much flexibility in this condition. Once up the revs and turbos spool it keeps up with early 991 gt3’s up to around the legal limit and is only left behind by small margins up to 120 ish ( tried this on track a few times ) So to me anyway it’s fast enough and easily gets 30 mpg when out and about. Compared to a 992…(a friend has a 2s ) I think the engine is the same ( or very similar) the fact that the 992 has an eight speed box with much faster response times gives his car a good edge on acceleration. Side by side the 992 shows it’s width compared to 991 but the interior is definitely more upmarket . If I was in your situation I’d drive both and suspect the newer car could appeal more…I also had an old 3.2 ( and liked it a lot) many years ago , compared to these cars it’s Morris minor performance ….good luck with your choice.
Thought I’d send a pic of a pair ….the 992 from this angle looks wider than it actually is…good hips on the 991 though…
Edited by Polome on Wednesday 13th October 21:22
I've had a 991.2 GTS from new (2018) done 30,000 miles in it and loved every one of them.
Mine is a 4WD PDK, done a few mountain trips and it's never missed a beat.
I had originally spec'd Carmine but bottled it at the last minute and went Agate Grey, both good colours though.
Options wise I went for GTS interior with a few extra leather bits to remove all the plastic, RWS, PDLS, Bose, no sunroof, and a few other small options.
Some people prefer manual, but I've got an integrale for weekend extravagance- and I live in London so lots of slow driving before I get out of town. The PDK/paddles are excellent,especially in Sport and Sport+
From a resale perspective I think GTS interior and overall tidiness is as important as your 'dream spec ie 2/4WD Manual/PDK' which are the big choices.
That Carmine in Aberdeen looks very nice
Mine is a 4WD PDK, done a few mountain trips and it's never missed a beat.
I had originally spec'd Carmine but bottled it at the last minute and went Agate Grey, both good colours though.
Options wise I went for GTS interior with a few extra leather bits to remove all the plastic, RWS, PDLS, Bose, no sunroof, and a few other small options.
Some people prefer manual, but I've got an integrale for weekend extravagance- and I live in London so lots of slow driving before I get out of town. The PDK/paddles are excellent,especially in Sport and Sport+
From a resale perspective I think GTS interior and overall tidiness is as important as your 'dream spec ie 2/4WD Manual/PDK' which are the big choices.
That Carmine in Aberdeen looks very nice
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