Where are all the 997.1 GT3s

Where are all the 997.1 GT3s

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Jefferson Steelflex

1,428 posts

98 months

Monday 6th March 2023
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Clutch is fine, i’ve never skipped leg day and don’t find it a problem. It’s heavier than most cars and would probably annoy in traffic but no issue day to day.

@IbanezDan - i may take you up on that. .1 and .2 GT3 have the same gearbox and shifter so there shouldn’t be any difference in feel, but i’ll chat with JZM first and see what they recommend. It could easily be my driving style, but common for people to upgrade the bushings on the shifter as the plastic ones wear, and on mine the shifter is loose/floppy.

I don’t mind this sort of thing, i like to tinker and upgrading a few bits gives me something to do.

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Monday 6th March 2023
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Jefferson Steelflex said:
Clutch is fine, i’ve never skipped leg day and don’t find it a problem. It’s heavier than most cars and would probably annoy in traffic but no issue day to day.

@IbanezDan - i may take you up on that. .1 and .2 GT3 have the same gearbox and shifter so there shouldn’t be any difference in feel, but i’ll chat with JZM first and see what they recommend. It could easily be my driving style, but common for people to upgrade the bushings on the shifter as the plastic ones wear, and on mine the shifter is loose/floppy.

I don’t mind this sort of thing, i like to tinker and upgrading a few bits gives me something to do.
FWIW my clutch has always been fine. Just swapped to lightweight flywheel and uprated clutch and still fine. Not stiff or difficult to engage.

I do find shifting into 3rd tricky and also wonder if a few new bushings might cure it. I had a left shoulder injury 10+ years back and had 3 operations and a surgical ligament for pectoral minor, so it can sometimes tire on track and make it harder to shift, but there's definitely something else there.

Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Monday 6th March 2023
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Jefferson Steelflex said:
Clutch is fine, i’ve never skipped leg day and don’t find it a problem. It’s heavier than most cars and would probably annoy in traffic but no issue day to day.

@IbanezDan - i may take you up on that. .1 and .2 GT3 have the same gearbox and shifter so there shouldn’t be any difference in feel, but i’ll chat with JZM first and see what they recommend. It could easily be my driving style, but common for people to upgrade the bushings on the shifter as the plastic ones wear, and on mine the shifter is loose/floppy.

I don’t mind this sort of thing, i like to tinker and upgrading a few bits gives me something to do.
Hi, is it a 997 Short Shifter in yours. I can't recall reading back if that's been asked?

If you can pop the shifter boot off and photo the sticker it might say this...



Edited by Andyoz on Monday 6th March 16:00

ttdan

1,091 posts

192 months

Monday 6th March 2023
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The shift quality is variable in these. Can depend a lot on the state of the clutch but also how it’s been driven. I have done about 60k miles in 997 GT3’s over three different cars. The box needs to be pretty hot to be at its best, you just can’t rush 1 -2 shift when cold, a dull knife through wood. …a 2 - 3 reluctance reveals itself on track, usually on corner exit, possibility the way the weight is acting on the car but there’s a tendency to hit “in between “ the gate at this point but again this cured by just a little patience. I think best to remember the manual cup car (996) gearboxes weren’t much different in construction, maybe even the same apart from ratios, so this is all part of the reality of a race car DNA operating on UK roads

Cars come to life with a LWFW and even more so with the .2RS ratios or 8/32 final drive. Just depends what you want from yours.

Jefferson Steelflex

1,428 posts

98 months

Monday 6th March 2023
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Digga said:
FWIW my clutch has always been fine. Just swapped to lightweight flywheel and uprated clutch and still fine. Not stiff or difficult to engage.

I do find shifting into 3rd tricky and also wonder if a few new bushings might cure it. I had a left shoulder injury 10+ years back and had 3 operations and a surgical ligament for pectoral minor, so it can sometimes tire on track and make it harder to shift, but there's definitely something else there.
Funnily enough, i’ve just started driving again after left shoulder surgery and my arm is weak still (i currently have to use my right arm to put the car in reverse) and it did occur to me that might be a factor. Spoke to JZM today who sold me the car and they say they test drove it thoroughly and it was fine so suggest it’s either insufficient clutch pedal stroke or just trying to rush it. In summary, driver error.

It’s definitely a standard shifter, not the SSK, but i’m sure it could do with a bit of tightening up. I have that green alignment tool so might play with the cables - lots of internet chatter on whether cable adjustment on 996/7 is actually a real thing or not but can’t do any harm. Could also upgrade to metal bushings which is meant to help as well. Like I say, i don’t mind tinkering.

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Monday 6th March 2023
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Mike at Sports & Classic knows a thing or two about 996/7 GT3’s and especially gearboxes. Reckons he put Cup shift cables on his 996 GT3 CS and took them off immediately because they were so noisy.

So that’s not an answer, but I’d agree the bushings and bits in the lever are worth investigating.

As for my shoulder, it lacks no strength - I’m fine with full body weight pull ups and jumps and drops on the mtb - but it can get very stiff and inflexible when tired. Longer I go after last osteo, generally the worse it gets.

Gary Woodland

2,552 posts

161 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Hi all, was advised to post some of my questions here.

I'm looking for a 997. Has anyone owned a .1 and a .2?

Would buying a LHD car put you off? Seems I can get a .1 RHD or .2 LHD for around my budget. Differences between the 2 versions from a driving perspective?

And lastly does anyone know anything about the white car at VVS? (I hear it's been discussed so I'm going to scroll back now and try find it)

Also does anyone know if JZM really sold one recently for 80k? Feels low for them but thought perhaps just gaming the classified section.

Thank you!

MDL111

6,891 posts

176 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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In my opinion LHD vs RHD is pretty immaterial. I have owned LHD in the UK and no own RHD on the continent, I don't mind either way. On older cas I prefer LHD due to the seating position / pedal positions.

Can#t help with 1 vs 2 unfortunately.

IbanezDan

258 posts

56 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Gary Woodland said:
Hi all, was advised to post some of my questions here.

I'm looking for a 997. Has anyone owned a .1 and a .2?

Would buying a LHD car put you off? Seems I can get a .1 RHD or .2 LHD for around my budget. Differences between the 2 versions from a driving perspective?

And lastly does anyone know anything about the white car at VVS? (I hear it's been discussed so I'm going to scroll back now and try find it)

Also does anyone know if JZM really sold one recently for 80k? Feels low for them but thought perhaps just gaming the classified section.

Thank you!
Think I said the same to you elsewhere - buy on condition.

Yes JZM had a white car up for sale at 82k. A comfort spec car with almost no options, not full history and not low owners. Think it was fairly priced.

Can't recall what was said about the white VVS car but I'd prefer buying from a reputable company if possible or having a very thorough inspection done prior.

EDIT: I recall the VVS car now on collecting cars. Badly advertised. It ISNT a clubsport. It was also for sale along while back when I was looking and had quite a lot of paintwork done to it. Not sure if it was hiding anything or just to tidy it up.


Edited by IbanezDan on Friday 10th March 11:57

Gary Woodland

2,552 posts

161 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Who would you recommend for a pre purchase inspection? Is the OPC one good enough? Means I can look at cars anywhere if so.

Also do you have a link to the CC listing? A couple of people have said the same but I can't for the life of me find it.

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Personally, I'd just go to a trusted dealer.

This is nice: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14604024

I am pretty sure it is the car JZM sold right after I bought mine. It was identical spec, mileage and price, just different colour.

IbanezDan

258 posts

56 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Gary Woodland said:
Who would you recommend for a pre purchase inspection? Is the OPC one good enough? Means I can look at cars anywhere if so.

Also do you have a link to the CC listing? A couple of people have said the same but I can't for the life of me find it.
It didnt sell on CC so would be hard to find a link now unless someone had it specifically saved.

Porsche is OK. They wont go into as much detail as RPM/Porsche Inspections or Fearnsport.



Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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IbanezDan said:
Gary Woodland said:
Who would you recommend for a pre purchase inspection? Is the OPC one good enough? Means I can look at cars anywhere if so.

Also do you have a link to the CC listing? A couple of people have said the same but I can't for the life of me find it.
It didnt sell on CC so would be hard to find a link now unless someone had it specifically saved.

Porsche is OK. They wont go into as much detail as RPM/Porsche Inspections or Fearnsport.
Whoever, if they're worth their salt, will also want the car on their ramps. They won't want to travel to it. Even then, as regards over revs etc. you have limited recompense, unless you buy from a dealer that will back up with some sort of warranty.

thegreenhell

15,106 posts

218 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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IbanezDan said:
Gary Woodland said:
Who would you recommend for a pre purchase inspection? Is the OPC one good enough? Means I can look at cars anywhere if so.

Also do you have a link to the CC listing? A couple of people have said the same but I can't for the life of me find it.
It didnt sell on CC so would be hard to find a link now unless someone had it specifically saved.

Porsche is OK. They wont go into as much detail as RPM/Porsche Inspections or Fearnsport.
This one?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2006-porsche-9...

Old unsold CC auction lots are quite easy to find via google.

isaldiri

18,404 posts

167 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Gary Woodland said:
I'm looking for a 997. Has anyone owned a .1 and a .2?

Would buying a LHD car put you off? Seems I can get a .1 RHD or .2 LHD for around my budget. Differences between the 2 versions from a driving
Haven't owned a .1 but have driven a couple and have a .2 (but RS). Similar in many respects and really a matter of which you personally prefer. I liked the 3.8 a bit more but the 3.6 also ticked a lot of boxes and it just so happened that the right .2 came up when I was looking. The (very big imo) advantage is - no centrelocks on the .1.

LHD in the UK will be harder to shift but if you can live with that, it's for me anyway the preferred option (larger fuel tank, ease of use in Europe where I do more driving than in the UK these days tbh). Good luck - they are both great cars but do get it properly checked out (and change the diff if it hasn't already been done by now).

Gary Woodland

2,552 posts

161 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Wow it just disappeared off VVS so I guess that one's sold anyway. Funny timing!

What is the issue with the diff? I had not heard anything about that.

Thanks for finding the CC listing, it let me find the original plate and a bit of history smile

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Gary Woodland said:
Wow it just disappeared off VVS so I guess that one's sold anyway. Funny timing!

What is the issue with the diff? I had not heard anything about that.

Thanks for finding the CC listing, it let me find the original plate and a bit of history smile
Head to Rennlist to check out all the issues.

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/1192...

Jefferson Steelflex

1,428 posts

98 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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IbanezDan said:
Gary Woodland said:
Hi all, was advised to post some of my questions here.

I'm looking for a 997. Has anyone owned a .1 and a .2?

Would buying a LHD car put you off? Seems I can get a .1 RHD or .2 LHD for around my budget. Differences between the 2 versions from a driving perspective?

And lastly does anyone know anything about the white car at VVS? (I hear it's been discussed so I'm going to scroll back now and try find it)

Also does anyone know if JZM really sold one recently for 80k? Feels low for them but thought perhaps just gaming the classified section.

Thank you!
Think I said the same to you elsewhere - buy on condition.

Yes JZM had a white car up for sale at 82k. A comfort spec car with almost no options, not full history and not low owners. Think it was fairly priced.


Edited by IbanezDan on Friday 10th March 11:57
You mean the one I bought Dan? Had a good history and decent options list, 7 former keepers. Was there another one?

philcerb

101 posts

206 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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Jefferson do not take to much notice of dan your car has a FULL HISTORY and a good spec dan must mean not buckets or c/s. Dan knows that he spent 3 hours looking at the car and 2 hours looking at the paper work ? In the end i got sick of being messed about by fools i sold my car on SOR through jzm for a much better price than dan wanted to pay. Most people know dan could write a book on how to try and wear some one down but not succeed. thanks phil.

Jefferson Steelflex

1,428 posts

98 months

Friday 10th March 2023
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I don't get upset by such things, was just curious. No desire to see this thread descend into arguments anyway, we can all be friends here.

And yes it is a lovely car, if only I knew how to drive it properly.

Paul