911 Carrera S (992) availability

911 Carrera S (992) availability

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manx100red

17 posts

27 months

Saturday 20th August 2022
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politeperson said:
Exciting times for you my friend, that is a great car, just done 40,000 in mine, it about perfect for me.
Cheers, cant wait. You've obviously made the most of yours, great to hear.

Pivo

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1,082 posts

35 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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Very interesting video. We knew some of the facts, this puts it into better perspective:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CheW1LpFIVI/

esotericar

745 posts

27 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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Pivo said:
Very interesting video. We knew some of the facts, this puts it into better perspective:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CheW1LpFIVI/
How does that square with Porsche reporting record levels of car production last year and this year?

s2000db

1,155 posts

153 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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VAG group are sending cars to their most profitable markets.. So USA, Europe and Middle East are currently getting a better proportion of the luxury cars market than the UK.
I don’t think Brexit helps the costs either..

Porsche991992

24 posts

75 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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s2000db said:
VAG group are sending cars to their most profitable markets.. So USA, Europe and Middle East are currently getting a better proportion of the luxury cars market than the UK.
I don’t think Brexit helps the costs either..
Ja , I agree

Thomas Covenant

1 posts

89 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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This is probably Porsche's most important year. The plan is for VAG group to spin off Porsche into an IPO while still having a controlling stake. This is nothing more than fattening the proverbial calf. Even if that means alienating one of their most important markets. That's what's driving their behaviour, purely IPO price.

esotericar

745 posts

27 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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Thomas Covenant said:
The plan is for VAG group to spin off Porsche into an IPO while still having a controlling stake.
A fairly depressing plan for the prospects of the cars as things to drive. But then by the time the full impact of that is seen in the product line, there very likely won't be any ICE Porsches anyway. So, it probably doesn't matter.

Pivo

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1,082 posts

35 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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Thomas Covenant said:
This is probably Porsche's most important year. The plan is for VAG group to spin off Porsche into an IPO while still having a controlling stake. This is nothing more than fattening the proverbial calf. Even if that means alienating one of their most important markets. That's what's driving their behaviour, purely IPO price.
I agree completely… dressing up for IPO is driving production mix, allocation to the markets and the R&D pipeline.
Investors want growth and profitability. 911 is a ‘halo’ model, not as profitable, but hugely important.

Pivo

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1,082 posts

35 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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Given the Porsche IPO plans, do you think they will release 992.2 in 2023 or 2024.

I have collated some interesting data sourced from the Total911 mag, so it should be fairly accurate… see below.


findtomdotcom

689 posts

240 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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I thought the 992.2 was rumoured as due end of 23?

esotericar

745 posts

27 months

Sunday 21st August 2022
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You numbers are a bit weird, lots of it off by a year or two. But it probably doesn't matter.

Roughly, it's been three to four years per half model life cycle. But in the current context, that probably doesn't mean much. Porsche has been stringing out the 982 (AKA the 718 or really 981.2) since 2016 without replacing it / updating it.

I imagine there will be a 992.2 next year or the year after. But wouldn't simply assume that based on previous years. Everything is in flux right now.

Pivo

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1,082 posts

35 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2022
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Pivo said:
Given the Porsche IPO plans, do you think they will release 992.2 in 2023 or 2024.
I think 992.2 is coming out in 2023!

992 base, S, GTS, Turbo S is out.
992 GT3, SC, GT3 RS is out.
What is next to keep the IPO excitement going? The 992.2!

bl0498

64 posts

27 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2022
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992.2 is almost certain to be a model year 2024 car. Hence released second half or later part of 2023 for production after summer factory shutdown etc for late 2023 and 2024 deliveries. RHD production may not start immediately at that point.

Certain to be a very big price increase at that point too given current demand.

Pivo

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1,082 posts

35 months

Wednesday 24th August 2022
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I recon 992.2 will be timed just ahead the IPO, to generate max enthusiasm for the brand and the listing.

Now I want both 911\992.2 car… and an old-fashioned Porsche stock\share certificate issued in that year!

esotericar

745 posts

27 months

Thursday 25th August 2022
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For IPO purposes, I don't think the 992 has much impact. The 911 is pretty much maxed out.

Another really successful EV to compliment the Taycan, on the other hand, that might get the investor community excited.

In any case given the long multi-year lead times for new models, not really plausible to time a launch for the IPO. You can tweak the timing a bit, but you can't suddenly decide to launch a new model next year. Takes years to design, engineer, develop and get a new car into production.

More like when they were thinking about doing the IPO, they will have looked at the road map of new models and factored that into their decision regarding when to do the IPO, not the other way round.



Edited by esotericar on Thursday 25th August 00:04

Pivo

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Pivo

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Sunday 28th August 2022
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IPO is gaining momentum… now we need some new product news to maintain the enthusiasm

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-26...

MK911

50 posts

71 months

Friday 2nd September 2022
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My C2S has now moved to code V250 with a completion date of 9th of September. Hopefully there will be no more delays now!

DMC2

1,834 posts

211 months

Friday 2nd September 2022
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Pivo said:
I recon 992.2 will be timed just ahead the IPO, to generate max enthusiasm for the brand and the listing.

Now I want both 911\992.2 car… and an old-fashioned Porsche stock\share certificate issued in that year!
I think it's safe to say the 992.2 is pretty irrelevant to them, they will be much more focused on the EV Macan. That is going to be the cash cow. The 911 is just a halo model.

Pivo

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Friday 2nd September 2022
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DMC2 said:
I think it's safe to say the 992.2 is pretty irrelevant to them, they will be much more focused on the EV Macan. That is going to be the cash cow. The 911 is just a halo model.
Many stock brokers like/have/had 911s… it’s not irrelevant.