996.2 gt3 best b-road suspension
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Had KWV3's on my CSR, put them on one of the E46 M3's and on another 996. Thought is was brilliant and well worth the money.
Also put Bilstein B16's on the 130i track car. Quite a bit cheaper but ...the KWV3's are better and worth the extra £1500 or so over the Bilstein,
No experience of tracktive but at £7k, I would need huge amounts of convincing
Also put Bilstein B16's on the 130i track car. Quite a bit cheaper but ...the KWV3's are better and worth the extra £1500 or so over the Bilstein,
No experience of tracktive but at £7k, I would need huge amounts of convincing
No budget as such but then if KW3's at around £3500 will be ample for my needs as opposed to £7000 then happy days.
Ive been out in a Exe-TC equipped 996 C2 (friend of a friend) in the past but didnt really notice much from the passengers side. Sadly i didnt get a drive so not sure if the driving experience would warrant that.
Ive been out in a Exe-TC equipped 996 C2 (friend of a friend) in the past but didnt really notice much from the passengers side. Sadly i didnt get a drive so not sure if the driving experience would warrant that.
I’ve been out in a 996.1 C2 with Ohlins R+T (passenger), 996.2 GT3 KW Manthey (driven, though on the day the damping rate wasn’t set correctly), 996.2 GT3 Nitron (passenger), and I own a 996.2 GT3 with Moton dampers with eibach springs (rebuilt 17 months ago).
I was impressed with both Ohlins and Nitron. I like my Moton too (well, from above 30mph anyway! I feel the spring rate is too hard but fine once above 30mph) but if I was to change mine I would go with Nitron. Not sure what the spring rate but they’re spot on.
Not sure where you are but if you ever visit north west / north Wales, you’re welcome to try mine. The chap with Nitron is in Surrey I may be able to put you in touch with him. And I’m sure Nine Excellence can put you in touch with owners with Tractive (they fitted Tractive on at least two 996 GT3)
I was impressed with both Ohlins and Nitron. I like my Moton too (well, from above 30mph anyway! I feel the spring rate is too hard but fine once above 30mph) but if I was to change mine I would go with Nitron. Not sure what the spring rate but they’re spot on.
Not sure where you are but if you ever visit north west / north Wales, you’re welcome to try mine. The chap with Nitron is in Surrey I may be able to put you in touch with him. And I’m sure Nine Excellence can put you in touch with owners with Tractive (they fitted Tractive on at least two 996 GT3)
recently put tractives on a 997rs. So far, have to admit I'm quite impressed for usage on the road (especially running over pretty rubbish belgian backroads and on the m25 tarmac ripples) which I do think it's considerably more settled than previously on OEM dampers. only taken the car around the ring and haven't yet used it at Silverstone yet where I have a much better baseline to compare for track use but weather permitting, should be doing so in mid june.....
isaldiri said:
recently put tractives on a 997rs. So far, have to admit I'm quite impressed for usage on the road (especially running over pretty rubbish belgian backroads and on the m25 tarmac ripples) which I do think it's considerably more settled than previously on OEM dampers. only taken the car around the ring and haven't yet used it at Silverstone yet where I have a much better baseline to compare for track use but weather permitting, should be doing so in mid june.....
Will be very interested to read your review on these, as I did see when 9e posted that they had recently done this. isaldiri said:
recently put tractives on a 997rs. So far, have to admit I'm quite impressed for usage on the road (especially running over pretty rubbish belgian backroads and on the m25 tarmac ripples) which I do think it's considerably more settled than previously on OEM dampers. only taken the car around the ring and haven't yet used it at Silverstone yet where I have a much better baseline to compare for track use but weather permitting, should be doing so in mid june.....
I’d you try the DSC box on the factory set up at all?ttdan said:
isaldiri said:
recently put tractives on a 997rs. So far, have to admit I'm quite impressed for usage on the road (especially running over pretty rubbish belgian backroads and on the m25 tarmac ripples) which I do think it's considerably more settled than previously on OEM dampers. only taken the car around the ring and haven't yet used it at Silverstone yet where I have a much better baseline to compare for track use but weather permitting, should be doing so in mid june.....
I’d you try the DSC box on the factory set up at all?on track it was a bit more stable through quick transitions (say maggotts/becketts) and I think generally a bit better but I didn't quite get motivated enough to do a back to back timing comparison.
On road, the DSC seemed to work a treat on my 997.1 GT3, definitely more controlled and compliant too. On the 'sport' mode it's marginally better, but I feel (and this could just be setup and geometry) there are times where the dampers don;t keep up. It's a bit more vague on faster stuff (sketchy even, down through Fuchsrohre) and there's possibly more tendency to lock-up on big braking events.
Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.
Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.
Digga said:
On road, the DSC seemed to work a treat on my 997.1 GT3, definitely more controlled and compliant too. On the 'sport' mode it's marginally better, but I feel (and this could just be setup and geometry) there are times where the dampers don;t keep up. It's a bit more vague on faster stuff (sketchy even, down through Fuchsrohre) and there's possibly more tendency to lock-up on big braking events.
Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.
Cool. I've been looking at this on and off for a while with a view to upgrading when the need eventually arises. They seem to have a number of different products on the market, which did you go for, ACE, Touring or Road/Track? Have you been able to drive a car with your chosen setup fitted, or are you taking a punt on what you think would meet your needs best?Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.
rrroro said:
Digga said:
On road, the DSC seemed to work a treat on my 997.1 GT3, definitely more controlled and compliant too. On the 'sport' mode it's marginally better, but I feel (and this could just be setup and geometry) there are times where the dampers don;t keep up. It's a bit more vague on faster stuff (sketchy even, down through Fuchsrohre) and there's possibly more tendency to lock-up on big braking events.
Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.
Cool. I've been looking at this on and off for a while with a view to upgrading when the need eventually arises. They seem to have a number of different products on the market, which did you go for, ACE, Touring or Road/Track? Have you been able to drive a car with your chosen setup fitted, or are you taking a punt on what you think would meet your needs best?Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.
The setup is highly recommended by 9e and Mike at Sports & Classic (who look after my car) had no axe to grind - Tractive, KW, Ohlins, Bilstein - but does collaborate with Ken at 9e. They are far enough apart to compliment one another, rather than compete. Ken has had excellent results with these.
Isaldiri and me managed to get quite a few laps taking turns leading/following at the DN track day and it was interesting to see how well th Tractives coped.
rrroro said:
Cool. I've been looking at this on and off for a while with a view to upgrading when the need eventually arises. They seem to have a number of different products on the market, which did you go for, ACE, Touring or Road/Track? Have you been able to drive a car with your chosen setup fitted, or are you taking a punt on what you think would meet your needs best?
The main difference (as I understand things, perhaps one of the tractive suppliers on PH could comment if I got things wrong which might well be the case!) is that the tractive touring line is essentially determined (valving wise) for a certain spring rate which is 'preset' so to speak while the road/track option allows one to customise the spring rates you want so if different from the existing one used on the touring line, you can get the dampers more closely matched to optimise that spring rate. fwiw, I'd asked to match the existing OEM setup (on the 4.0 I am given to believe it's a linear rear spring vs progressive on the 7.1 and 7.2 gt3 and gt3rs although the net spring rate is iirc identical at 120nm) and the eibach springs tractive use are linear anyway so all good on that front....
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Digga said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
EXE-TC. by a country mile. 7 WRC wins.
Yes, for a passive damper set up, very possibly the best. Very expensive too.I'd be looking at Exe-TC or Ohlins TTX, as with a considered approach to spring rates and valving, I believe you can have the best of both worlds, that being compliance and perfect body control both on the road and on track.
Granted, that for them to be optimal on track you'll most likely have to be prepared to adjust the dampers manually when you arrive (rather than via an app on your phone) but that would be compromise I'd willingly accept to keep things analogue and passive.
But if anyone would like to demonstrate their Tractive 996 GT3 set up to me (on the road) I'm willing to travel to experience them ...
Granted, that for them to be optimal on track you'll most likely have to be prepared to adjust the dampers manually when you arrive (rather than via an app on your phone) but that would be compromise I'd willingly accept to keep things analogue and passive.
But if anyone would like to demonstrate their Tractive 996 GT3 set up to me (on the road) I'm willing to travel to experience them ...
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