996.2 gt3 best b-road suspension

996.2 gt3 best b-road suspension

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Ducktales

Original Poster:

13 posts

27 months

Saturday 23rd April 2022
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Hi Team,

Just wondered which suspension people would recommend for b-road blasting? I'm OK with sacrificing some track feedback as it'll spend more time on local bumpy b-roads

Thanks

Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Saturday 23rd April 2022
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Tractive seems to be getting good reviews :

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=148042

Ducktales

Original Poster:

13 posts

27 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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Thanks Slippydiff for the suggestion, seems that its around £7k for the kit fitted

Im hearing good things about the KW(?) 3 way kit but i guess i need to find owners and go out in them with it fitted

PGNSagaris

2,926 posts

165 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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Had KWV3's on my CSR, put them on one of the E46 M3's and on another 996. Thought is was brilliant and well worth the money.

Also put Bilstein B16's on the 130i track car. Quite a bit cheaper but ...the KWV3's are better and worth the extra £1500 or so over the Bilstein,

No experience of tracktive but at £7k, I would need huge amounts of convincing


Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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The OP asked for “the best”.
KW V3’s are a decent upgrade, but they’re far from the best, that would be Ohlins TTX, ExeTC, Tractive, MCS etc etc.
All of which will cost him between £5-7K depending on spec.
Probably best if the OP stipulates his budget smile

Ducktales

Original Poster:

13 posts

27 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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No budget as such but then if KW3's at around £3500 will be ample for my needs as opposed to £7000 then happy days.

Ive been out in a Exe-TC equipped 996 C2 (friend of a friend) in the past but didnt really notice much from the passengers side. Sadly i didnt get a drive so not sure if the driving experience would warrant that.

BrotherMouzone

3,169 posts

173 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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I’ve been out in a 996.1 C2 with Ohlins R+T (passenger), 996.2 GT3 KW Manthey (driven, though on the day the damping rate wasn’t set correctly), 996.2 GT3 Nitron (passenger), and I own a 996.2 GT3 with Moton dampers with eibach springs (rebuilt 17 months ago).

I was impressed with both Ohlins and Nitron. I like my Moton too (well, from above 30mph anyway! I feel the spring rate is too hard but fine once above 30mph) but if I was to change mine I would go with Nitron. Not sure what the spring rate but they’re spot on.

Not sure where you are but if you ever visit north west / north Wales, you’re welcome to try mine. The chap with Nitron is in Surrey I may be able to put you in touch with him. And I’m sure Nine Excellence can put you in touch with owners with Tractive (they fitted Tractive on at least two 996 GT3)

isaldiri

18,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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recently put tractives on a 997rs. So far, have to admit I'm quite impressed for usage on the road (especially running over pretty rubbish belgian backroads and on the m25 tarmac ripples) which I do think it's considerably more settled than previously on OEM dampers. only taken the car around the ring and haven't yet used it at Silverstone yet where I have a much better baseline to compare for track use but weather permitting, should be doing so in mid june.....

TDT

4,910 posts

118 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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isaldiri said:
recently put tractives on a 997rs. So far, have to admit I'm quite impressed for usage on the road (especially running over pretty rubbish belgian backroads and on the m25 tarmac ripples) which I do think it's considerably more settled than previously on OEM dampers. only taken the car around the ring and haven't yet used it at Silverstone yet where I have a much better baseline to compare for track use but weather permitting, should be doing so in mid june.....
Will be very interested to read your review on these, as I did see when 9e posted that they had recently done this.

ttdan

1,091 posts

192 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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isaldiri said:
recently put tractives on a 997rs. So far, have to admit I'm quite impressed for usage on the road (especially running over pretty rubbish belgian backroads and on the m25 tarmac ripples) which I do think it's considerably more settled than previously on OEM dampers. only taken the car around the ring and haven't yet used it at Silverstone yet where I have a much better baseline to compare for track use but weather permitting, should be doing so in mid june.....
I’d you try the DSC box on the factory set up at all?

isaldiri

18,403 posts

167 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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ttdan said:
isaldiri said:
recently put tractives on a 997rs. So far, have to admit I'm quite impressed for usage on the road (especially running over pretty rubbish belgian backroads and on the m25 tarmac ripples) which I do think it's considerably more settled than previously on OEM dampers. only taken the car around the ring and haven't yet used it at Silverstone yet where I have a much better baseline to compare for track use but weather permitting, should be doing so in mid june.....
I’d you try the DSC box on the factory set up at all?
Yes had the dsc installed um....quite a few years ago. Tbh didn't notice much if any difference on the road (I realise this might be somewhat of an outlier vs most others who did change to the dsv on the 7.2 who seem to get quite a bit of road improvement) which was a little surprising I have to admit as some of the rennlist feedback was suggesting quite a difference on the road.... .

on track it was a bit more stable through quick transitions (say maggotts/becketts) and I think generally a bit better but I didn't quite get motivated enough to do a back to back timing comparison.

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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On road, the DSC seemed to work a treat on my 997.1 GT3, definitely more controlled and compliant too. On the 'sport' mode it's marginally better, but I feel (and this could just be setup and geometry) there are times where the dampers don;t keep up. It's a bit more vague on faster stuff (sketchy even, down through Fuchsrohre) and there's possibly more tendency to lock-up on big braking events.

Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.

rrroro

388 posts

154 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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Digga said:
On road, the DSC seemed to work a treat on my 997.1 GT3, definitely more controlled and compliant too. On the 'sport' mode it's marginally better, but I feel (and this could just be setup and geometry) there are times where the dampers don;t keep up. It's a bit more vague on faster stuff (sketchy even, down through Fuchsrohre) and there's possibly more tendency to lock-up on big braking events.

Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.
Cool. I've been looking at this on and off for a while with a view to upgrading when the need eventually arises. They seem to have a number of different products on the market, which did you go for, ACE, Touring or Road/Track? Have you been able to drive a car with your chosen setup fitted, or are you taking a punt on what you think would meet your needs best?

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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rrroro said:
Digga said:
On road, the DSC seemed to work a treat on my 997.1 GT3, definitely more controlled and compliant too. On the 'sport' mode it's marginally better, but I feel (and this could just be setup and geometry) there are times where the dampers don;t keep up. It's a bit more vague on faster stuff (sketchy even, down through Fuchsrohre) and there's possibly more tendency to lock-up on big braking events.

Tractives now ordered, so I will hopefully see the benefit of the full package. Certainly, good as they are, the OEM Bilsteins (like their PSM controller) were slower, older tech, so I would be surprised if there is no performance improvement.
Cool. I've been looking at this on and off for a while with a view to upgrading when the need eventually arises. They seem to have a number of different products on the market, which did you go for, ACE, Touring or Road/Track? Have you been able to drive a car with your chosen setup fitted, or are you taking a punt on what you think would meet your needs best?
Touring, which I believe is what Isaldiri also has.

The setup is highly recommended by 9e and Mike at Sports & Classic (who look after my car) had no axe to grind - Tractive, KW, Ohlins, Bilstein - but does collaborate with Ken at 9e. They are far enough apart to compliment one another, rather than compete. Ken has had excellent results with these.

Isaldiri and me managed to get quite a few laps taking turns leading/following at the DN track day and it was interesting to see how well th Tractives coped.


isaldiri

18,403 posts

167 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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rrroro said:
Cool. I've been looking at this on and off for a while with a view to upgrading when the need eventually arises. They seem to have a number of different products on the market, which did you go for, ACE, Touring or Road/Track? Have you been able to drive a car with your chosen setup fitted, or are you taking a punt on what you think would meet your needs best?
The main difference (as I understand things, perhaps one of the tractive suppliers on PH could comment if I got things wrong which might well be the case!) is that the tractive touring line is essentially determined (valving wise) for a certain spring rate which is 'preset' so to speak while the road/track option allows one to customise the spring rates you want so if different from the existing one used on the touring line, you can get the dampers more closely matched to optimise that spring rate.

fwiw, I'd asked to match the existing OEM setup (on the 4.0 I am given to believe it's a linear rear spring vs progressive on the 7.1 and 7.2 gt3 and gt3rs although the net spring rate is iirc identical at 120nm) and the eibach springs tractive use are linear anyway so all good on that front....

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,070 posts

54 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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EXE-TC. by a country mile. 7 WRC wins.

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
EXE-TC. by a country mile. 7 WRC wins.
Yes, for a passive damper set up, very possibly the best. Very expensive too.

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,070 posts

54 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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Digga said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
EXE-TC. by a country mile. 7 WRC wins.
Yes, for a passive damper set up, very possibly the best. Very expensive too.
4 to 5.5k... Is that expensive... Especially in the Porsche world.


Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Digga said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
EXE-TC. by a country mile. 7 WRC wins.
Yes, for a passive damper set up, very possibly the best. Very expensive too.
4 to 5.5k... Is that expensive... Especially in the Porsche world.
Higher end, but no, not too bad really.

Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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I'd be looking at Exe-TC or Ohlins TTX, as with a considered approach to spring rates and valving, I believe you can have the best of both worlds, that being compliance and perfect body control both on the road and on track.

Granted, that for them to be optimal on track you'll most likely have to be prepared to adjust the dampers manually when you arrive (rather than via an app on your phone) but that would be compromise I'd willingly accept to keep things analogue and passive.

But if anyone would like to demonstrate their Tractive 996 GT3 set up to me (on the road) I'm willing to travel to experience them ... smile