Porsche PCCM+ upgrade for 997.1 .Any time soon?
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STiG911 said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transport-secre...
Edmund King AA president said:
Those who believe they can still play with their phone because it’s in a cradle must think again – they leave themselves open to prosecution for either careless or dangerous driving.
It’s more nuanced than that, as it should be.Edmund King AA president said:
Those who believe they can still play with their phone because it’s in a cradle must think again – they leave themselves open to prosecution for either careless or dangerous driving.
“Drivers will still be able to continue using a device ‘hands-free’ while driving, such as a sat-nav, if it’s secured in a cradle. They must, however, always take responsibility for their driving and can be charged with an offence if the police find them not to be in proper control of their vehicle.”
How is using Waze on your phone with voice control etc different to using carplayn on your PCCM touch screen?
STiG911 said:
.... it's mind bendingly stupid to assume that you can.
Hmm, are you one of the guys who went mental a few years ago about using kids' booster seats in bucket seats and whether that's OK when Porsche have disclaimers saying don't do it?The angry language is ringing a bell...
Well regardless of whether its the best solution and clearly is isnt optimal, will it be the upgrade that allows me to keep campaigning a 997 with hydraulic steering and no turbo's for a bit longer?. I think it might just be the cabin candy that will keep 997's in Porsches sweet spot.
I also would hazard that this system fitted to dealer sold 997.1's and Boxsters will attract new buyers to this market who also own brand new cars with latest tech.
I completely understand some of the alternatives suggested here but if i went into a Porsche specialist in my new Range Rover looking to buy a fun car to tour Europe i wouldn't be impressed with a vent mounted system or an aftermarket screen. on the other hand the official system would give me confidence my car was being supported by Porsche going forward.
I have'nt tried it yet , it could be crap but i hope it would add some value to my car if i splurge out. I also quite like the Porsche logo printed on the front, good in case i forget which of my cars i'm in.
I also would hazard that this system fitted to dealer sold 997.1's and Boxsters will attract new buyers to this market who also own brand new cars with latest tech.
I completely understand some of the alternatives suggested here but if i went into a Porsche specialist in my new Range Rover looking to buy a fun car to tour Europe i wouldn't be impressed with a vent mounted system or an aftermarket screen. on the other hand the official system would give me confidence my car was being supported by Porsche going forward.
I have'nt tried it yet , it could be crap but i hope it would add some value to my car if i splurge out. I also quite like the Porsche logo printed on the front, good in case i forget which of my cars i'm in.
it’s eye candy. For me the air vent approach is less of an eyesore than having a cable trailing out of the front for CarPlay but I totally agree that’s a very subjective thing.STiG911 said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transport-secre...
Edmund King AA president said:
Those who believe they can still play with their phone because it’s in a cradle must think again – they leave themselves open to prosecution for either careless or dangerous driving.
No one is suggesting you can play Candy Crush while driving, just use Waze in exactly the same way you would from the PCCM touch screen - it’s the same thing and the law treats it the same quite rightly.Edmund King AA president said:
Those who believe they can still play with their phone because it’s in a cradle must think again – they leave themselves open to prosecution for either careless or dangerous driving.
Filibuster said:
STiG911 said:
Filibuster said:
I really have been waiting for this, as after market stereos are a pet hate of mine (as you might have realized by now).
The 996 PCCM+ looks spot on and fits the interior really well.
But I'm so disappointed by this .....
It really looks very cheap indeed and the USB A port (!!!!!!!) stuck in the most prominent place ruins it completely!
And as has been mentioned, it just looks completely stupid having your phone pluged into the front of the stereo.
USB A???? FFS its 2023 in two weeks time. How Porsche can bring out something like this is beyond me
I would have liked to see wireless Carplay and an inductive charging pad inside the centre console / armrest.
But It's not only that. I think the geometry of the center console that is wider on top than on the bottom doesn't work with the grey contrast and a rectangular black screen. The more I look into it, the more I'm certain that I will stuck with my original (painted in black) PCM and my Mr.12 Volt Bluetooth dongle. This setup works perfectly for me. Only downside is the constant "CD1 T01" message in the central display.....
It's designed to match the 997 interior, what did you expect it to look like? They can only do so much to fit an 18 year old design, FFS.The 996 PCCM+ looks spot on and fits the interior really well.
But I'm so disappointed by this .....
It really looks very cheap indeed and the USB A port (!!!!!!!) stuck in the most prominent place ruins it completely!
And as has been mentioned, it just looks completely stupid having your phone pluged into the front of the stereo.
USB A???? FFS its 2023 in two weeks time. How Porsche can bring out something like this is beyond me
I would have liked to see wireless Carplay and an inductive charging pad inside the centre console / armrest.
But It's not only that. I think the geometry of the center console that is wider on top than on the bottom doesn't work with the grey contrast and a rectangular black screen. The more I look into it, the more I'm certain that I will stuck with my original (painted in black) PCM and my Mr.12 Volt Bluetooth dongle. This setup works perfectly for me. Only downside is the constant "CD1 T01" message in the central display.....
I can't see why it's such a disaster to have use a cable to connect your phone when in a lot of cases, it's plugged into a charge port somewhere in the car anyway. Get over it.
It's USB-A because it's for both phones AND USB sticks with music - maybe find stuff like that out before losing your s
t?Overall, it's a low-volume replacement unit produced by Porsche - who didn't have to btw - to give as close to a factory look as possible. I wouldn't get one because I don't use my car enough to justify the cost, but if I did, I certainly would.
You lot losing your minds are hilarious. If you like it, buy it; if you not then don't, instead of running to your keyboards like butthurt little boys.
I have been one of the biggest supporter of the PCCM+ Porsche offers for their classic cars. I would have been the first in line for this and if I‘d have a 996 I‘d have one in a heartbeat.
Contrary to many others, I applaud Porsche for building these, that is why I am so disappointed in the 997 variant.
Regarding USB sticks: who the f
k uses an USB stick for music in 2022? Also, don‘t you have USB Sticks with USB C? Nowadays I mainly use Kingston 256GB ones that have USB A AND USB C ports. I only need the USB A side if no USB C is available. Didn’t you know these existed? Maybe you find out stuff like this before posting?I think I stated valid points with exact simple solutions that would have made it better, because I wanted it to be better.
The one loosing his s
t about this is you.Seeing as you stated your 'valid point with exact simple solutions' with an abundance of exclamation / question marks, FFS and emojis, you've clearly lost your s
t. Edited by STiG911 on Monday 19th December 11:55
Edited by STiG911 on Monday 19th December 11:57
braddo said:
STiG911 said:
.... it's mind bendingly stupid to assume that you can.
Hmm, are you one of the guys who went mental a few years ago about using kids' booster seats in bucket seats and whether that's OK when Porsche have disclaimers saying don't do it?The angry language is ringing a bell...
Tobermory said:
STiG911 said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transport-secre...
Edmund King AA president said:
Those who believe they can still play with their phone because it’s in a cradle must think again – they leave themselves open to prosecution for either careless or dangerous driving.
It’s more nuanced than that, as it should be.Edmund King AA president said:
Those who believe they can still play with their phone because it’s in a cradle must think again – they leave themselves open to prosecution for either careless or dangerous driving.
“Drivers will still be able to continue using a device ‘hands-free’ while driving, such as a sat-nav, if it’s secured in a cradle. They must, however, always take responsibility for their driving and can be charged with an offence if the police find them not to be in proper control of their vehicle.”
How is using Waze on your phone with voice control etc different to using carplayn on your PCCM touch screen?
I think that looks good. Clean and integrated, seems like a good option and a nice (albeit very expensive) upgrade for an 'old' car, I would do it if I were running a 997 and planned on keeping it.
I agree that having to plug your phone in to access CarPlay is bit st though and even more so coming out the front of the unit..... its a shame they didn't sort this but I assume making Carplay "wireless" is expensive as even the current 718's are still wired and some brand new mercs!
On my Cayman I have a wireless carplay adaptor which has been absolutely superb but at least that I can hide in the armrest.
I agree that having to plug your phone in to access CarPlay is bit s
t though and even more so coming out the front of the unit..... its a shame they didn't sort this but I assume making Carplay "wireless" is expensive as even the current 718's are still wired and some brand new mercs!On my Cayman I have a wireless carplay adaptor which has been absolutely superb but at least that I can hide in the armrest.
STiG911 said:
Playing with your phone while it's in a cradle and using 'hands-free' voice control are two vastly different things, so don't try and water it down asserting that the latter is more likely, because it damn well isn't.
You seem very angry about this.All anyone is saying is that using Waze for example on your iPhone touchscreen in a cradle whilst driving is very similar to doing it on your cars touchscreen (the app locks out certain features while driving behind a warning replicating the limitations built into CarPlay).
The law recognises this and does not place a specific prohibition on using a phone (for any use in fact) while in a cradle. There is an overriding obligation to remain in control of your vehicle at all times which applies to both scenarios.
That’s all.
Tobermory said:
You seem very angry about this.
All anyone is saying is that using Waze for example on your iPhone touchscreen in a cradle whilst driving is very similar to doing it on your cars touchscreen (the app locks out certain features while driving behind a warning replicating the limitations built into CarPlay).
The law recognises this and does not place a specific prohibition on using a phone (for any use in fact) while in a cradle. There is an overriding obligation to remain in control of your vehicle at all times which applies to both scenarios.
That’s all.
Not for the first time I'm not talking about Waze, and your repeated efforts to try and narrow it down to that are laughable.All anyone is saying is that using Waze for example on your iPhone touchscreen in a cradle whilst driving is very similar to doing it on your cars touchscreen (the app locks out certain features while driving behind a warning replicating the limitations built into CarPlay).
The law recognises this and does not place a specific prohibition on using a phone (for any use in fact) while in a cradle. There is an overriding obligation to remain in control of your vehicle at all times which applies to both scenarios.
That’s all.
Idiots DO think that because their phone is in a cradle or mount, it's fine to fiddle with it for any app they feel like and you know very well that's what I mean. I see it on the roads day in, day out. You would too if you looked properly.
I'm not angry, I persistently reply. Learn the difference; thanks.
STiG911 said:
Tobermory said:
You seem very angry about this.
All anyone is saying is that using Waze for example on your iPhone touchscreen in a cradle whilst driving is very similar to doing it on your cars touchscreen (the app locks out certain features while driving behind a warning replicating the limitations built into CarPlay).
The law recognises this and does not place a specific prohibition on using a phone (for any use in fact) while in a cradle. There is an overriding obligation to remain in control of your vehicle at all times which applies to both scenarios.
That’s all.
Not for the first time I'm not talking about Waze, and your repeated efforts to try and narrow it down to that are laughable.All anyone is saying is that using Waze for example on your iPhone touchscreen in a cradle whilst driving is very similar to doing it on your cars touchscreen (the app locks out certain features while driving behind a warning replicating the limitations built into CarPlay).
The law recognises this and does not place a specific prohibition on using a phone (for any use in fact) while in a cradle. There is an overriding obligation to remain in control of your vehicle at all times which applies to both scenarios.
That’s all.
Idiots DO think that because their phone is in a cradle or mount, it's fine to fiddle with it for any app they feel like and you know very well that's what I mean. I see it on the roads day in, day out. You would too if you looked properly.
I'm not angry, I persistently reply. Learn the difference; thanks.
The difference is that I believe that using a mobile phone in a cradle can be legal, you don’t.
Tobermory said:
The irony is that I suspect we agree as to what is safe or unsafe behaviour regarding mobile phone use.
The difference is that I believe that using a mobile phone in a cradle can be legal, you don’t.
Irony has nothing to do with it - you're making feeble excuses for morons fiddling with their phones while driving.The difference is that I believe that using a mobile phone in a cradle can be legal, you don’t.
STiG911 said:
Tobermory said:
The irony is that I suspect we agree as to what is safe or unsafe behaviour regarding mobile phone use.
The difference is that I believe that using a mobile phone in a cradle can be legal, you don’t.
Irony has nothing to do with it - you're making feeble excuses for morons fiddling with their phones while driving.The difference is that I believe that using a mobile phone in a cradle can be legal, you don’t.
It is perfectly legal to fiddle with your phone whilst it's in a cradle. Whether that's Waze, Whatsapp, or doing the crossword. No law against that at all.
Of course, as soon as it affects your driving, that's a different matter. But the offence is driving dangerously, not fiddling with your phone.
Is it possible to detach the usb from the back of the fascia? Thinking it could be possible to attach a wireless adaptor hidden behind the fascia - I’ve done similar before.
It would leave the usb socket not working on the fascia but that wouldn’t bother me.
Do the 997s have a usb elsewhere in the car?
Considering buying one soon so mulling this over in the meantime.
It would leave the usb socket not working on the fascia but that wouldn’t bother me.
Do the 997s have a usb elsewhere in the car?
Considering buying one soon so mulling this over in the meantime.
abucd4 said:
Is it possible to detach the usb from the back of the fascia? Thinking it could be possible to attach a wireless adaptor hidden behind the fascia - I’ve done similar before.
It would leave the usb socket not working on the fascia but that wouldn’t bother me.
Do the 997s have a usb elsewhere in the car?
Considering buying one soon so mulling this over in the meantime.
Or is there a USB dongle that can fit in and then one can bluethooth through that? I have no idea what I am trying to say but could that work, something like .... It would leave the usb socket not working on the fascia but that wouldn’t bother me.
Do the 997s have a usb elsewhere in the car?
Considering buying one soon so mulling this over in the meantime.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-UB400-Bluetooth-C...
....that sort of approach?
abucd4 said:
Is it possible to detach the usb from the back of the fascia? Thinking it could be possible to attach a wireless adaptor hidden behind the fascia - I’ve done similar before.
It would leave the usb socket not working on the fascia but that wouldn’t bother me.
Do the 997s have a usb elsewhere in the car?
Considering buying one soon so mulling this over in the meantime.
That’s a great idea, even if there’s no plug to disconnect you could certainly solder it, either way it would void the warranty.It would leave the usb socket not working on the fascia but that wouldn’t bother me.
Do the 997s have a usb elsewhere in the car?
Considering buying one soon so mulling this over in the meantime.
It’s very strange that they didn’t think that even if they’re not providing wireless they could at least hide the cable better
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