How long before a £100k 992 GTS?
Discussion
Mankers said:
Schuey_911 said:
All depends on what you prefer. I always wanted a 992 GTS, because it's a car I can daily, do some nice roads trips in it, occasional track/Nurburgring trip, and it's faster than a 992 GT3 in the real world and in 95% of situations.
Clearly the base Carrera and S are softer cars and some may prefer that, I totally get it. I think it's fair to say from the thread that Pivo put up of people with 992's on order, it's quite a decent spread of orders across the whole range just of people on this forum. So Porsche have it right and there's a market for all, otherwise they simply wouldn't produce them.
Also, most respected motoring journalists if not all see the GTS as the sweet spot, I think it was Henry Catchpole or Rory Reid who said that in reality, they see the 992 GTS as kind of between the GT3 and Turbo S, in that it's more dynamic to drive than a Turbo S and therefore has elements closer to a GT3, yet it has a Turbo engine with more than enough power, but still more useable than that of a Turbo S which is too much for the road. Think he also said the 992 GTS kind of makes the 992 Turbo redundant, because a lot of parts in the 992 GTS come from 992 Turbo/S, chassis, suspension, brakes, helper springs etc..... Therefore, I think you have the best of both worlds and makes the perfect one Porsche 911 garage IMHO.
I've done 3 PEC's at Silverstone, different instructors each time. Each time I asked them which is their favourite 911, 2 out of 3 said the GTS, one said Turbo S. Trusted opinions from people who drive all of them across the range day in day out.
All good points……but have you driven a GT3? THAT engine eclipses any other points that may (or may not) make a GTS a better car in a wider variety of driving situations.Clearly the base Carrera and S are softer cars and some may prefer that, I totally get it. I think it's fair to say from the thread that Pivo put up of people with 992's on order, it's quite a decent spread of orders across the whole range just of people on this forum. So Porsche have it right and there's a market for all, otherwise they simply wouldn't produce them.
Also, most respected motoring journalists if not all see the GTS as the sweet spot, I think it was Henry Catchpole or Rory Reid who said that in reality, they see the 992 GTS as kind of between the GT3 and Turbo S, in that it's more dynamic to drive than a Turbo S and therefore has elements closer to a GT3, yet it has a Turbo engine with more than enough power, but still more useable than that of a Turbo S which is too much for the road. Think he also said the 992 GTS kind of makes the 992 Turbo redundant, because a lot of parts in the 992 GTS come from 992 Turbo/S, chassis, suspension, brakes, helper springs etc..... Therefore, I think you have the best of both worlds and makes the perfect one Porsche 911 garage IMHO.
I've done 3 PEC's at Silverstone, different instructors each time. Each time I asked them which is their favourite 911, 2 out of 3 said the GTS, one said Turbo S. Trusted opinions from people who drive all of them across the range day in day out.
If a 1 is a Carrera and a 2 is a Carrera S, a 3 is a GTS, a GT3 must be a 6,7 or 8……THAT engine is a different animal and damn right phenomenal in both sound and performance…
Yes, I have driven a GT3, a 991.2 and a 992 GT3. My friend has a 992 GT3 and we had a little swap of cars on a drive around the Peak District. I agree it's a great engine, but after he drove mine and I drove his, we both came to the conclusion that mine definitely felt quicker. There was really not much going on in the GT3 below 5k rpm, it actually felt slow. But yes, once above that then the noise is something else.
However, let's be honest, how often can we be hitting the redline on the normal roads? With mine, I think it's max torque from 2k rpm and it just flies whatever gear you're in and pulls hard all the way to the top, and that is far more satisfying and enjoyable to me. And the way Porsche have been able to achieve the howl even with the 3.0 Twin Turbo engine, with less sound deadening in the GTS, then it's quite a good sounding car as well. Not GT3 level of noise, but not too far off honestly.
We all like different things, but for me I like the low down Turbo kick in the back, and the way Porsche has been able to achieve this is amazing because it actually feels like a N/A car the way it revs out, just with the extra lower down grunt and no lag. It's a win win
franki68 said:
Hobo said:
In what way ?
They ride better . Personally, I just don't see the reason for choosing a standard model, but each to their own. The world would indeed be a duller place if everyone liked the same things.
Re the GT3 I agree with Schuey. The GT3 is an epic car, hence my interest in owning one, but the need to rev the engine makes it pretty much irrelevant on UK roads, and therefore not tracking it seems to be an injustice to the manufacturers, whereas the GTS pulls like a train at all revs no doubt similar to the Turbo S, although how anyone could need anything quicker is beyond me (as the GTS in itself is too quick for UK roads most of the time, and you need to keep your eye on the speedo all the time as its too easy to be going speeds which would see you having a break from driving for a considerable time if caught).
Hobo said:
Thanks. I've never genuinely driven one so was a serious question, however having had three GTS 911 variants now I struggle to see why people would not be able to daily a GTS. They are comfy, I can go over 90% of speed bumps without issue, have all mod cons, and the noise is obviously dialled down when not in sport or sports plus mode/s.
Personally, I just don't see the reason for choosing a standard model, but each to their own. The world would indeed be a duller place if everyone liked the same things.
Re the GT3 I agree with Schuey. The GT3 is an epic car, hence my interest in owning one, but the need to rev the engine makes it pretty much irrelevant on UK roads, and therefore not tracking it seems to be an injustice to the manufacturers, whereas the GTS pulls like a train at all revs no doubt similar to the Turbo S, although how anyone could need anything quicker is beyond me (as the GTS in itself is too quick for UK roads most of the time, and you need to keep your eye on the speedo all the time as its too easy to be going speeds which would see you having a break from driving for a considerable time if caught).
You don’t need to justify your thinking I was just answering the question you asked .Personally, I just don't see the reason for choosing a standard model, but each to their own. The world would indeed be a duller place if everyone liked the same things.
Re the GT3 I agree with Schuey. The GT3 is an epic car, hence my interest in owning one, but the need to rev the engine makes it pretty much irrelevant on UK roads, and therefore not tracking it seems to be an injustice to the manufacturers, whereas the GTS pulls like a train at all revs no doubt similar to the Turbo S, although how anyone could need anything quicker is beyond me (as the GTS in itself is too quick for UK roads most of the time, and you need to keep your eye on the speedo all the time as its too easy to be going speeds which would see you having a break from driving for a considerable time if caught).
I found the gts I had too firm for daily use ,I could use it daily but the reality is the ride is firm ,acceptable but firm and there are better versions for pootling around in .
I agree about the opportunities to use the gt3 engine but when you can it does elevate it onto a different level of experience .
franki68 said:
Hobo said:
Thanks. I've never genuinely driven one so was a serious question, however having had three GTS 911 variants now I struggle to see why people would not be able to daily a GTS. They are comfy, I can go over 90% of speed bumps without issue, have all mod cons, and the noise is obviously dialled down when not in sport or sports plus mode/s.
Personally, I just don't see the reason for choosing a standard model, but each to their own. The world would indeed be a duller place if everyone liked the same things.
Re the GT3 I agree with Schuey. The GT3 is an epic car, hence my interest in owning one, but the need to rev the engine makes it pretty much irrelevant on UK roads, and therefore not tracking it seems to be an injustice to the manufacturers, whereas the GTS pulls like a train at all revs no doubt similar to the Turbo S, although how anyone could need anything quicker is beyond me (as the GTS in itself is too quick for UK roads most of the time, and you need to keep your eye on the speedo all the time as its too easy to be going speeds which would see you having a break from driving for a considerable time if caught).
You don’t need to justify your thinking I was just answering the question you asked .Personally, I just don't see the reason for choosing a standard model, but each to their own. The world would indeed be a duller place if everyone liked the same things.
Re the GT3 I agree with Schuey. The GT3 is an epic car, hence my interest in owning one, but the need to rev the engine makes it pretty much irrelevant on UK roads, and therefore not tracking it seems to be an injustice to the manufacturers, whereas the GTS pulls like a train at all revs no doubt similar to the Turbo S, although how anyone could need anything quicker is beyond me (as the GTS in itself is too quick for UK roads most of the time, and you need to keep your eye on the speedo all the time as its too easy to be going speeds which would see you having a break from driving for a considerable time if caught).
I found the gts I had too firm for daily use ,I could use it daily but the reality is the ride is firm ,acceptable but firm and there are better versions for pootling around in .
I agree about the opportunities to use the gt3 engine but when you can it does elevate it onto a different level of experience .
One option I have got, which I’m not sure makes a difference is the noise reducing glass so I’d be interested in driving a GTS without it to make a comparison.
GT3 wise - wouldn’t get an allocation, can’t afford a 2nd hand one (at todays prices) and wouldn’t get the intended use (track) out of one so I’m more than happy with my lot.
Talking about ride.
A bit of context, I prefer a firm riding car.
My last three cars in order
992 CS with PDCC and PCCBS ride firm but ok
992 GTS no PDCC and no PCCBS ride too hard IMO
992 Turbo S with PDDC and PCCBS and lowered suspension ride is firm but fine.
I thing two things are affect the ride quality; PCCBs lower unsprung weight and the PDDC giving quite a soft anti roll function when travelling in a straight line.
Just got back from a return trip to Frankfurt in the tts and the ride, for me, was absolutely fine.
A bit of context, I prefer a firm riding car.
My last three cars in order
992 CS with PDCC and PCCBS ride firm but ok
992 GTS no PDCC and no PCCBS ride too hard IMO
992 Turbo S with PDDC and PCCBS and lowered suspension ride is firm but fine.
I thing two things are affect the ride quality; PCCBs lower unsprung weight and the PDDC giving quite a soft anti roll function when travelling in a straight line.
Just got back from a return trip to Frankfurt in the tts and the ride, for me, was absolutely fine.
Robert-udyrh said:
Talking about ride.
A bit of context, I prefer a firm riding car.
My last three cars in order
992 CS with PDCC and PCCBS ride firm but ok
992 GTS no PDCC and no PCCBS ride too hard IMO
992 Turbo S with PDDC and PCCBS and lowered suspension ride is firm but fine.
I thing two things are affect the ride quality; PCCBs lower unsprung weight and the PDDC giving quite a soft anti roll function when travelling in a straight line.
Just got back from a return trip to Frankfurt in the tts and the ride, for me, was absolutely fine.
Great bit of context there, definitely understand the affect that the PCCBs would have and I assume from what you’ve experienced that the anti- roll effect of the PDDC results in a less jarring ride.A bit of context, I prefer a firm riding car.
My last three cars in order
992 CS with PDCC and PCCBS ride firm but ok
992 GTS no PDCC and no PCCBS ride too hard IMO
992 Turbo S with PDDC and PCCBS and lowered suspension ride is firm but fine.
I thing two things are affect the ride quality; PCCBs lower unsprung weight and the PDDC giving quite a soft anti roll function when travelling in a straight line.
Just got back from a return trip to Frankfurt in the tts and the ride, for me, was absolutely fine.
All I can say is damn you Porsche for giving us so many options!
Hobo said:
Obviously my experience is the Targa GTS not the Coupe GTS, so set up softer naturally anyway and find it absolutely fine for everyday driving. Can't comment on a Coupe GTS as haven't driven one.
The targas have the regular suspension as you say ,the other gts models are firmer but useable .Not driven a targa but I love the looks of it , do you notice the extra weight ?
franki68 said:
The targas have the regular suspension as you say ,the other gts models are firmer but useable .
Not driven a targa but I love the looks of it , do you notice the extra weight ?
I switched from a 991.2 GTS Coupe to a 992 GTS Targa, and the 992 is far superior in every way, so honestly I don't notice any increase in weight at all.Not driven a targa but I love the looks of it , do you notice the extra weight ?
The latter is significant quicker, brakes better, handles much better and in general is a far nicer place to be. The 991.2 was certainly a great car, but the 992 is a massive step up in all aspects in my opinion (and has the option for a bit of open top motoring which has its benefits).
GT4P said:
I say by the end of the year going by this one https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
To be fair that was more or less what someone likely paid list price with that spec being very basic.Someone mentioned a 991.2 turbo s as an alternative, I have looked at those but much prefer the interior and tech inside the 992.
Denno B said:
To be fair that was more or less what someone likely paid list price with that spec being very basic.
Someone mentioned a 991.2 turbo s as an alternative, I have looked at those but much prefer the interior and tech inside the 992.
There's a 2 year old 992 Turbo at Bolton for £139.9k which is less than many of the current '22 GTS listingsSomeone mentioned a 991.2 turbo s as an alternative, I have looked at those but much prefer the interior and tech inside the 992.
Taffy66 said:
That makes much more sense
Not sure it does. Non 's' turbo's are notoriously hard to shift as not very desirable again its more expensive sibling.Whilst I could like with the carmine exterior, I'm not sure I could deal with the mojave beige interior personally. I'd be saving up more for an 'S' with ceramics, in a decent colour combo, although appreciate its going to be 20k more at least.
Hobo said:
Not sure it does. Non 's' turbo's are notoriously hard to shift as not very desirable again its more expensive sibling.
Whilst I could like with the carmine exterior, I'm not sure I could deal with the mojave beige interior personally. I'd be saving up more for an 'S' with ceramics, in a decent colour combo, although appreciate its going to be 20k more at least.
You don’t see much written about the regular turbo but just looking at its performance figures why on Earth would you need more ? 0-100 in under 6 seconds . Whilst I could like with the carmine exterior, I'm not sure I could deal with the mojave beige interior personally. I'd be saving up more for an 'S' with ceramics, in a decent colour combo, although appreciate its going to be 20k more at least.
I think it will be a while for the first £100k Gts but they are certainly dropping at a reasonable rate. Cheapest is currently £116k, decent spec manual. Seems to be a lot of price drops even at Opc, there was a carmine red up for £132k a few months ago, now up at £125k. Numbers are growing so it is putting pressure on prices across the board and demand dropping.
Mankers said:
Wilmslowboy said:
Mate has a 6 month old one, super low miles, was £140k list (coupe 4 GTS), not being used, so will be handing it back to Porsche.
How big a hit should he plan for ?
£20-30k ?How big a hit should he plan for ?
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