Cayman GTS

[Twinfan]

JayK12 said:

Come on Twin don't leave us BGTS owners out. lol.

I think you'll find that this is the CGTS thread It has become the general 981 GTS thread though you're right Even fewer manual Boxsters were registered new, and less Boxsters in general:

BGTS PDK = 299
BGTS manual = 81
Spyder = 229

CGTS PDK = 410
CGTS manual = 135
GT4 = 595

I've not been watching BGTS prices but it looks like they're generally a touch lower than CGTS prices, as they were when new.

[PhantomPH]

"Spec sensitive" applies to most cars in general - what do people think is the 'right spec' for a GTS?

Both Packs?
X73?
PASM?
PTV?
Manual?
PDK?
Colour?
PCCBs?
Etc. Etc.

There is a bum for every seat of course, but if you were asked right now what a 'saleable' spec looked like, do we really know what that is?

I thought my manual might become a little more desirable, but the post earlier suggested manuals are sitting in the OPC network for "months"...so perhaps not!

All I do know is that my OPC could have sold my car 7 times over on the very first day they had it...but that was back in January.

[JayK12]

My Ideal spec would be:

If i had bought mine new and not when it was 1 year old i would have spec'd:

Manual
X73
Heated Buckets
GTS Interior Pack
Carrera Classics
Alcantara Wheel
Bose, DAB, Bluetooth
Carbon Trim
PTV

Compared to mine

Manual
X73
Heated Sports Plus Seats
GTS Interior Pack
Carrera Classics
Leather Wheel
Bose, PCM, DAB, Bluetooth
Carbon Trim


At new i wouldnt have spent 5K on PCCBs, PTV Im not to sure about. I do not track it and on the road it seems as though there is plenty of mechanical grip. I drove a Cayman GTS with PTV and PASM and it felt strange maybe because of the PASM it felt wobbly.

[PhantomPH]

JayK12 said:

I drove a Cayman GTS with PTV and PASM and it felt strange maybe because of the PASM it felt wobbly.

My PASM/PTV feels anything but wobbly! There is a strange sensation when you turn in hard and I guess the PTV has its biggest influence - the point of rotation feels like it shifts. I don't think it does, I think what that sensation is, is the car tucking itself in tighter. It's definitely something you can make happen (if that makes sense) and it really just serves to make me think that I could have probably taken the corner even faster.

[Heathrow]

The "understeer control" aspect of PTV is interesting. I found I felt it most often in cold, wet wintry conditions and a particularly greasy surface. You adopt a steering angle you think you need for the corner but the car senses some slip at the front and automatically tightens the line very marginally meaning you need to wind off some lock mid-corner. Very weird the first time it happened, but you get used to it. Not helped by the P-zeros either, which I wasn't a massive fan of. As far as the diff is concerned, personally I only really felt the impact on track, and could live without PTV altogether if the car was purely a road car.

[Twinfan]

PhantomPH said:

"Spec sensitive" applies to most cars in general - what do people think is the 'right spec' for a GTS?

It depends on intended use. In my opinion PCCBs are only for the wealthy who can afford to replace them if they get damaged and all cars should have the GTS interior pack, all alcantara including steering wheel and gear knob. Then:

1. Daily driver = PDK, parking sensors (camera a bonus), Nav, upgraded sound (either SPP or Bose) with DAB, sports seats or 18-ways (preferably heated), dual climate, PASM, auto wipers, cruise, phone prep.
2. Weekend toy including road trips = PDK or manual (your preference), sports seats, PTV, dual climate, PASM, (auto wipers, cruise, phone prep a bonus)
3. Poor man's GT4 = manual, X73, buckets, PTV, Carrera S wheels (they're the lightest)

My CGTS is category 2 and a manual, which is what a GTS is all about to me - sports based but with some creature comforts. PASM is nothing like that on the 987 series, it's sublime and the ride on 20" wheels is incredible when either cruising around or pressing on.

[Mario149]

PhantomPH said:

"Spec sensitive" applies to most cars in general - what do people think is the 'right spec' for a GTS?

Both Packs?
X73?
PASM?
PTV?
Manual?
PDK?
Colour?
PCCBs?
Etc. Etc.

There is a bum for every seat of course, but if you were asked right now what a 'saleable' spec looked like, do we really know what that is?

I thought my manual might become a little more desirable, but the post earlier suggested manuals are sitting in the OPC network for "months"...so perhaps not!

All I do know is that my OPC could have sold my car 7 times over on the very first day they had it...but that was back in January.

I think the following will make a B/C GTS special enough that it will be sellable easily:

- GTS interior pack + coordinated car colour and roof colour
- PTV
- carbon bucket seats
- mobile phone prep (or the full phone thingy)
- PCM
- some interesting wheels
- heated seats
- front and rear parking sensors
- bose
- climate control

X73 or PASM is a very personal choice, as is spanish/PDK. But the above general spec I think would shift quickly

Edited by Mario149 on Friday 18th August 15:30

[Twinfan]

PhantomPH said:

JayK12 said:

I drove a Cayman GTS with PTV and PASM and it felt strange maybe because of the PASM it felt wobbly.

My PASM/PTV feels anything but wobbly! There is a strange sensation when you turn in hard and I guess the PTV has its biggest influence - the point of rotation feels like it shifts. I don't think it does, I think what that sensation is, is the car tucking itself in tighter. It's definitely something you can make happen (if that makes sense) and it really just serves to make me think that I could have probably taken the corner even faster.

Geometry is very important. Mine felt a little indirect at times before having it adjusted, now it's super precise and stable

[PhantomPH]

Were the rear-view camera and Bose system both optional extras when new?

Mine has those and I thought they must have been standard to the GTS.

[Twinfan]

Both were options, as was Burmeister for the audio.

I have Sound Package Plus as I didn't see the value in paying more for Bose. From some comments on the web I think I got the better deal as Bose gets mixed reviews.

The parking sensor options were rear only, front and rear and front and rear plus camera.

[PhantomPH]

Strange that whomever spec'd mine, chose the camera, Bose etc...but not the auto-climate.

[Twinfan]

It's not obvious that it's the only climate option. It was listed as Dual Zone Climate but if you selected the "info" button on the configurator it told you this was an upgrade from the standard manual aircon. I think lots of people would glance at the description and think the extra bit was the dual zoning, not the climate bit. Sales people should have known though.

Similarly with the smokers pack, people should have been advised that it gave an extra 12v socket, a nice cover for the coin tray and it was free!

[PhantomPH]

Twinfan said:

It's not obvious that it's the only climate option. It was listed as Dual Zone Climate but if you selected the "info" button on the configurator it told you this was an upgrade from the standard manual aircon. I think lots of people would glance at the description and think the extra bit was the dual zoning, not the climate bit. Sales people should have known though.

Similarly with the smokers pack, people should have been advised that it gave an extra 12v socket, a nice cover for the coin tray and it was free!

Was it free? I thought the smokers' pack was a cost option? A low cost one (£38?) but a cost option none-the-less. Hardly matters of course!

[Twinfan]

Free on a 981, £38(?) on a 718

[bcr5784]

JayK12 said:

I drove a Cayman GTS with PTV and PASM and it felt strange maybe because of the PASM it felt wobbly.

If that was in comfort rather than soft, then the explanation might be that you had been doing a bit of "Cruising". After a period of gentle driving the dampers are softened off and the first time you take a corner spiritedly or even pull out to overtake the car does feel a bit vague. PASM adapts quite quickly and stiffens things up when you are driving briskly even in Comfort. Personally I try to anticipate things and stick it in Sport in such circumstances - and particularly on Motorways.

[Twinfan]

I live in Sport as it softens off a bit if you're cruising and if you;re pressing on then it's in the right mode. I use Standard/Comfort on the motorway if the surface is a bit rough or if I have my Mum in the car

[JayK12]

Compared to my X73 I found PASM in sport had way to much roll. My mates has PTV and that was a strange sensation. As mines a road car, weekend fun when I get out into Wales or trips to Scotland I can easily do without PTV.

Edited by JayK12 on Friday 18th August 23:11

[Twinfan]

It will have a bit more roll as it's 10mm higher. Win some lose some with X73 vs PASM. I feel you win more than you lose, and passive suspension on a 60k car to me felt like a cheap option these days.

Each to their own though of course!

[aramid]

X73 is brilliant on track, but too harsh for shopping.

I recommend a GTS with PASM and PDK for weekdays and a GT4 for the weekend.

[bcr5784]

Twinfan said:

It will have a bit more roll as it's 10mm higher. Win some lose some with X73 vs PASM. I feel you win more than you lose, and passive suspension on a 60k car to me felt like a cheap option these days.

Each to their own though of course!

X73 has approx 10% stiffer (front and rear) springs and front antiroll bar. The rear ARB is more than 20% stiffer too.