Cayman GTS

[PhantomPH]

OPOGTS said:

Armitage.Shanks said:

Jay Emm didn't like the 4.0 718 he tested in both variants? The resonance at steady mid revs doesn't sound at all good and somewhat resembling the terrible sound symposer fitted to the 981GTS

I would do your own test drive and draw your own conclusions.

I’ve owned both a 981 GTS and now a 718 GTS 4.0, and I just can’t correlate what he’s saying to how I find the car and the engine.

Each to their own of course.

Exactly.

Although my personal experience of the 981GTS is that I loved the sound. LOVED it. But I had more than one passenger say to me, "How are you not deaf driving this all the time?". And to be fair, there were times when it was just a bit too noisy in the cabin - not a relaxing environment. But then that's not what it was designed or bought for!

The 718S 2.5 tho - once I disconnected the SA fuse - was MILES more pleasant as a daily driver. But the sacrifice there was that more visceral 'fizz' when I decided to have fun.

Swings and roundabouts, dear boy...

[OPOGTS]

I have to say that the one thing I really miss about the 981 GTS is the noise....... although the 4.0 has a lovely howl to it when pressing on, its not a patch on race-car-like scream of the old one..... alas!

[RTA3]

I am vey much wanting to get into a new GTS 4.0. Currently I have an M4. Whilst I love it, the lure of a Porsche before I am too old seems the right way forward.
I am finding dealers interesting. I totally understand the talk that you dont get discounts, but then again I read on some sites it is possible. Is this the case? Is this discount on price, options or an inflated trade in value on your current car. Sorry if this has been covered before but spending £75k and getting nothing off is hard to accept. If there are no discounts in my mind I might as well buy from my local dealer. Seems pointless to do anything else?

[Simo_UK]

Twinfan said:

Fezzaman said:

Now that the 981 GTS is far from the latest/(greatest), the earliest examples are 7 years old, the 4.0 GTS has arrived (available with both PDK/manual) where does it fit in in the grand scheme of Caysters from 2005 to date? Trying to find a well specced (or rather the 'right' subjective spec) 981S is a headache. 981GTS prices seem to have fallen gently recently (but still seem very strong compared to 981S)

Depending on what's on the market, would you hunt out a late well specced 987.2S (or an R?), 981GTS or 4.0GTS (all PDK) initial purchase price aside if you were doing max 7k pa (could be far less given covid and wfh dynamics) and no track work? My gut says 4.0GTS is too new, long wait and (begrudgingly) more depreciation vs the other 2 but finding a good 2nd hand example/personal spec is probably just as tough and could be as long as the wait on a 4.0. Did the old debate of PASM vs X73 ever get settled?

Been out of the loop for a while so not sure where the market/value really is.

You'll be waiting until late '21, early '22 for a GTS 4.0 I think, so a long wait.

Only you can know how old a car you're willing to take on. Older car will be cheaper, higher mileage and require more maintenance (probably). As you're going PDK, I'd want as new a car as possible as it's always improving.

PASM better for all round use and a more comfortable ride, X73 sportier but needs to be paired with bucket seats not comforts IMHO.

A PDK 981 GTS sounds like it could be the sweet spot for you, but with demand outstripping supply for a lot of niche cars at the moment it's going to be tough to find a car you like if you're spec sensitive. Aim for £45k or thereabouts.

Have had decent spec'd a 981BS in the past and now a month into a 98CGTS and loving it. Main extra spec on this is PASM and PTV, feeling the impact of the latter feeling a lot more than I though, I'm v pleased.

I'd also looked at stretching an already stretched budget and going for the 4.0. Portsmouth OPC still have build slots available 6 weeks ago and were quoting Sept delivery - but that was before the con-rod recall issue was announced. I personally prefer the 981 exterior styling and the interior design is aging well (ignoring the PCM of course). There are good mds out there to bring CarPlay to the PCM that will modernise the entertainment.
In that same enquiry I also asked about 'any sort' of discount either on the car, accessories or finance. The sales guy cut me off before I'd finished my sentence to say "No" - that p***ed me off. If I'd have gone for it, I have bought from someone else just for that reason.

Also agree on v strong demand, a 981CGTS with ~20k miles will be low to mid 50s from an OPC. The last one I saw was up at 56k and they are all going!

[OPOGTS]

RTA3 said:

I am vey much wanting to get into a new GTS 4.0. Currently I have an M4. Whilst I love it, the lure of a Porsche before I am too old seems the right way forward.
I am finding dealers interesting. I totally understand the talk that you dont get discounts, but then again I read on some sites it is possible. Is this the case? Is this discount on price, options or an inflated trade in value on your current car. Sorry if this has been covered before but spending £75k and getting nothing off is hard to accept. If there are no discounts in my mind I might as well buy from my local dealer. Seems pointless to do anything else?

Historically there have been deals available usually linked to taking out the finance.

For example, when I bought mine Porsche were doing £1000 off the 718 range + £1000 finance contribution = £2,000 discount.

Sometimes you have to really dig on the website to find this out though, they don't make it easy.

[Billy_Whizzzz]

RTA3 said:

I am vey much wanting to get into a new GTS 4.0. Currently I have an M4. Whilst I love it, the lure of a Porsche before I am too old seems the right way forward.
I am finding dealers interesting. I totally understand the talk that you dont get discounts, but then again I read on some sites it is possible. Is this the case? Is this discount on price, options or an inflated trade in value on your current car. Sorry if this has been covered before but spending £75k and getting nothing off is hard to accept. If there are no discounts in my mind I might as well buy from my local dealer. Seems pointless to do anything else?

Why is spending £75k and getting nothing off hard to accept? That’s the price.

[WG]

Yes I can’t really understand the fixation on discounts - at least on new cars. Why would a manufacturer with waiting lists for most models feel the need to give a discount ? This also helps residuals in the longer term - although nowhere near as rock solid as they were - compare them with BMW M models for example where large discounts are readily available but their value drops like a stone !

[RTA3]

Billy_Whizzzz said:

RTA3 said:

I am vey much wanting to get into a new GTS 4.0. Currently I have an M4. Whilst I love it, the lure of a Porsche before I am too old seems the right way forward.
I am finding dealers interesting. I totally understand the talk that you dont get discounts, but then again I read on some sites it is possible. Is this the case? Is this discount on price, options or an inflated trade in value on your current car. Sorry if this has been covered before but spending £75k and getting nothing off is hard to accept. If there are no discounts in my mind I might as well buy from my local dealer. Seems pointless to do anything else?

Why is spending £75k and getting nothing off hard to accept? That’s the price.

Fair point I was only probing to see if a discount is possible for a new porsche. I can accept the price. What I couldn’t accept is through not asking the question were I to miss the opportunity to get a discount of some kind. If you don’t ask you dont get! I would have thought my question would have provoked a more positive response like the post before rather than this?

[PhantomPH]

RTA3 said:

Billy_Whizzzz said:

RTA3 said:

I am vey much wanting to get into a new GTS 4.0. Currently I have an M4. Whilst I love it, the lure of a Porsche before I am too old seems the right way forward.
I am finding dealers interesting. I totally understand the talk that you dont get discounts, but then again I read on some sites it is possible. Is this the case? Is this discount on price, options or an inflated trade in value on your current car. Sorry if this has been covered before but spending £75k and getting nothing off is hard to accept. If there are no discounts in my mind I might as well buy from my local dealer. Seems pointless to do anything else?

Why is spending £75k and getting nothing off hard to accept? That’s the price.

Fair point I was only probing to see if a discount is possible for a new porsche. I can accept the price. What I couldn’t accept is through not asking the question were I to miss the opportunity to get a discount of some kind. If you don’t ask you dont get! I would have thought my question would have provoked a more positive response like the post before rather than this?

Just ask the question. All that can happen is that you are told no.

In my past experience, the 'discounts' have been totally non-existent, but what can be fudged about with a little is any finance deal.They often have better rates available than they let on - but again, don't be pissed if they don't move much.

Years ago when I bought my 981CGTS at about 18 months old, it was really obvious that if I didn't buy it then they would sell it to the next guy or the next guy or the next guy. In fact, when I did buy it and went to sign the paperwork the next day, I was told they had already had another 5 enquiries and requests for 'first dibs if I dropped out' that morning alone.

Point being that when cars are in demand, the customer has very little power in the buying relationship. Make your peace with it - ask the question but do so with the knowledge that you probably won't get far and certainly nothing like your experiences with others such as BMW.

At the minute, I think the real bargain in the whole range (shopping used) is the 718GTS 2.5. They really don't sound bad at all, handle beautifully and are absolute flying machines when you plant your right foot.

[Fezzaman]

PhantomPH said:

Years ago when I bought my 981CGTS at about 18 months old, it was really obvious that if I didn't buy it then they would sell it to the next guy or the next guy or the next guy. In fact, when I did buy it and went to sign the paperwork the next day, I was told they had already had another 5 enquiries and requests for 'first dibs if I dropped out' that morning alone.

At the minute, I think the real bargain in the whole range (shopping used) is the 718GTS 2.5. They really don't sound bad at all, handle beautifully and are absolute flying machines when you plant your right foot.

Agreed, made the mistake of looking at 2.5GTS prices and seems almost wrong.... on the flipside if 981GTS are selling at the prices being asked and 2.5GTS is (still) falling, then it's not yet reached proper bargain status IMO. Had a skim through the earlier pages of this thread and people were thinking 45k would buy you a 981GTS at 3 years old in 2017.... I wish. Maybe there were cheaper 2.5GTS and 3.4GTS through the winter but I probably missed them. But the spread between 2.5 and 3.4 is closing/potentially going to go the other way?

All irrelevant/moot point though as I haven't driven the 2.5 (have driven a normal 718) and I would be surprised if many are really going to be cross shopping the two? As a daily driver/non-keeper I can see the case for the 2.5 at the right price, but as a long-term keeper I'd err towards the 981GTS (have driven one a few years ago).

Has anyone else run both 2.5 and 3.4GTS?

[Aandytvr1]

I have to say - I own the 2.5 GTS
Have owned Porsche 911 C4S / Cayman 3.4 and if honest a whole lot of great cars M3 competition etc and the 2.5 GTS is a very well planted car .

It’s better than all of the above - mid engine car , once you get used to the engine it pops and bangs all day long .

Place the car in sport plus and not a lot will keep up with it - down shifting sounds great

Don’t be fooled by the 4 ltr hype ( the one with the engine issues ) ?

Would I sell - No, absolutely head Turner and very quick .

[Lexington59]

Nice motor. I think the 2.5's are definitely an underrated bargain now thanks to the usual internet myths.

[PhantomPH]

Fezzaman said:

PhantomPH said:

Years ago when I bought my 981CGTS at about 18 months old, it was really obvious that if I didn't buy it then they would sell it to the next guy or the next guy or the next guy. In fact, when I did buy it and went to sign the paperwork the next day, I was told they had already had another 5 enquiries and requests for 'first dibs if I dropped out' that morning alone.

At the minute, I think the real bargain in the whole range (shopping used) is the 718GTS 2.5. They really don't sound bad at all, handle beautifully and are absolute flying machines when you plant your right foot.

Agreed, made the mistake of looking at 2.5GTS prices and seems almost wrong.... on the flipside if 981GTS are selling at the prices being asked and 2.5GTS is (still) falling, then it's not yet reached proper bargain status IMO. Had a skim through the earlier pages of this thread and people were thinking 45k would buy you a 981GTS at 3 years old in 2017.... I wish. Maybe there were cheaper 2.5GTS and 3.4GTS through the winter but I probably missed them. But the spread between 2.5 and 3.4 is closing/potentially going to go the other way?

All irrelevant/moot point though as I haven't driven the 2.5 (have driven a normal 718) and I would be surprised if many are really going to be cross shopping the two? As a daily driver/non-keeper I can see the case for the 2.5 at the right price, but as a long-term keeper I'd err towards the 981GTS (have driven one a few years ago).

Has anyone else run both 2.5 and 3.4GTS?

Yeah the current prices are a well kept secret, I think....don't tell anyone. It's actually one of those rare times where Porsche have crapped on their own plate. As soon as the 4.0GTS was announced, they knocked the arse out of the 2.5GTS market. Felt a bit sorry for the owners actually, as that really doesn't happen very often with Porsche.

I ran a 2.5GTS for a few weeks whilst my 2.5S was in for some work and it was a lovely car.

I feel I must qualify this by saying that when I took my 718S on the track, hardly anything can touch me on the straights, but they catch me on the corners because I'm a st driver..although I insist it's just because I am looking after my car by not ragging it around and trashing the brakes. Ha ha. If anyone else is honest with themselves like me and admits they are not Nigel Mansell behind the wheel, the 2.5 in any form is all the car most of us will ever need.

[Simo_UK]

Uh oh, I feel we're balancing on the edge of a 4cl vs 6cl debate......RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WG]

Dont know how much store people give WBAC valuations but their offer for my 2018 10,000 mile 2.5BGTS has gone UP by over £3K in the last month. Their offer this week is £50750 which I don't think is half bad ! (Incoming Spyder is prompting sale - intention is to trade in at OPC but documented WBAC offer can only help negotiations ?)

Has anyone sold to WBAC ? What are they like to deal with? and before you ask, they will have no excuse to knock down offer on condition of car - it has PPF on front valance and sills , a couple of minor stone chips on bonnet and has rarely been out in the rain it really is immaculate.

[OPOGTS]

WG said:

Dont know how much store people give WBAC valuations but their offer for my 2018 10,000 mile 2.5BGTS has gone UP by over £3K in the last month. Their offer this week is £50750 which I don't think is half bad ! (Incoming Spyder is prompting sale - intention is to trade in at OPC but documented WBAC offer can only help negotiations ?)

Has anyone sold to WBAC ? What are they like to deal with? and before you ask, they will have no excuse to knock down offer on condition of car - it has PPF on front valance and sills , a couple of minor stone chips on bonnet and has rarely been out in the rain it really is immaculate.

Worth a read

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Richard718]

WG said:

Dont know how much store people give WBAC valuations but their offer for my 2018 10,000 mile 2.5BGTS has gone UP by over £3K in the last month. Their offer this week is £50750 which I don't think is half bad ! (Incoming Spyder is prompting sale - intention is to trade in at OPC but documented WBAC offer can only help negotiations ?)

Has anyone sold to WBAC ? What are they like to deal with? and before you ask, they will have no excuse to knock down offer on condition of car - it has PPF on front valance and sills , a couple of minor stone chips on bonnet and has rarely been out in the rain it really is immaculate.

They are very transactional. They will be there with their clipboard and will mark down any scratch at all, but I have used them twice and each time the person has used their common sense when they see the car is good and is well looked after. Once they knocked off £150 each for four scratches (say) it meant the actual price was very low, so they "called their manager" and said they needed authorisation to up the price back to closer to the offer. Be prepared to walk away is all I can say. But it is very hassle free and I have no complaints. You have been offered a very good price on your car. I was quoted £56,950 yesterday on my obviously immaculate six month old Cayman GTS 4.0 with 1,200 miles.

[Aandytvr1]

Simo_UK said:

Uh oh, I feel we're balancing on the edge of a 4cl vs 6cl debate......RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Without a doubt the 2.5 is barking back with a blip , bark ,pop & a bang — Porsche know this as the prices are holding well ..

As said earlier and confirmed by others - it’s a quick one

[Trikster]

Back to the GTS4.0 - could I be ordering the closest to base spec ever??? Definitely manual; Like the Guards Red, standard silver wheels - standard seats are fine, no need for fancy stitching and extra alcantara - happy without LED headlights (have PDLS on the Spyder but not too fussed), can reverse without a camera - neither my Spyder or Macan had Bose and didn’t feel I missed it - so extras so far at dimming rear view mirror and possibly folding mirrors…. Rear model delete £0 and may go crazy and get Porsche painted black to tidy up the rear…

Am I crazy?????

[Mr981]

get X73 !