Would like a Cayman R but can’t afford one...

[J-P]

V12DRC said:

Exhaust note any good having been used to gt3's?

IMHO it's no match for a GT3 in terms of exhaust note but it does have a great flat 6 wail and the induction noise is much greater as the engine is right behind your head.

[V12DRC]

Tks all

[mrdemon]

with a few little mods you can see over 360BHp on these also, and the Tubi on a R just sounds amazing.
But as others have said, so usable, and then on track keeps up with other stuff.

pretty amazing car to be able to do roads and track very very well and still do the monthly shop at Waitrose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R25AH2MFLWE

all the noise you need without being daft.

[swimd]

After reading some more topics I think the best course of action for me is to wait until the GT4s are out.
I suspect that quite a few Cayman R owners will make the jump to the GT4 because - despite the price difference - the two cars are aimed at roughly the same audience. Prices may even go down a little bit when that happens and even if not I’ll have a larger budget to work with.

[MDT48]

V12DRC said:

Intersting post. I have an exige s but at the weekend at spa was impressed by a cayman r pdk that was on some hot laps.,
So do you have a pdk or manual and have you driven both so am able to offer an opinion on both ?
Tks

I once described the Cayman R as an Exige with a much better engine inside :-) While that may be a little simplistic, it's not a million miles away from how it feels when you're driving one.

My car is manual. And despite the fact that I know I'd probably be faster around a circuit with a PDK box, I simply wouldn't be having as much fun. I like to feel like I'm driving the car, and that when I get the downshifts just right, it's because I combined my feet and hands to achieve that, rather than some clever software doing it for me. I've got nothing against PDK, and I think that in models like the 911 Turbo it makes for a better car, I just think that a car like the Cayman R is more about feel and interaction. I'm not looking to start a fight about it though, so anyone who has PDK should enjoy it, knowing that they made the right choice for them.

As for a direct comparison to an Exige - yes I've driven many, on many circuits and on many roads. The Cayman R doesn't feel as instantly light and agile as the Exige, but once you start to work with it, you'll be amazed at how composed it is through sweepers and hairpins. The sound when you're lapping a track or out on the road isn't even worth comparing - having a flat-six wailing behind your head as you climb towards the redline sends tingles down your spine. And of course the build quality is in a different league altogether - not that I really mind the basic nature of Lotus cars, but as I mentioned in my previous post, I can spend all day on track in the Cayman R, then pick my wife up and head out to dinner in it - she even loves the buckets.

I was on track last year with a guy in a V6 Exige, and there was very little between the two cars, and every time we parked up next to each other in the pits I was surprised at how big the new car is compared to the old model.

[itsybitsy]

J-P said:

Dampers on the S are PASM, so not passive.

No the dampers on the S are passive PASM was a £1k extra and the standard set up is pretty good ,the R just rides lower and is slightly stiffer.

[ajondyh]

Seems that Porsche like the Cayman R styling (Including the spoiler) This looks like an R on steroids!!

http://blog.dupontregistry.com/porsche/porsche-exc...

[J-P]

swimd said:

After reading some more topics I think the best course of action for me is to wait until the GT4s are out.
I suspect that quite a few Cayman R owners will make the jump to the GT4 because - despite the price difference - the two cars are aimed at roughly the same audience. Prices may even go down a little bit when that happens and even if not I’ll have a larger budget to work with.

Good plan - however the GT4 is an unknown quantity. I'm planning on getting a GT4 but if the spec is not what I'd want then, I'll give up my spot in the queue, so my CR would not be for sale in that instance.

[mrdemon]

same here, if the cars not 100% how I want it, I'll spend 5k on the R with a few choice upgrades.

if the cars not how people want it the R will go up in value !

[Mermaid]

mrdemon said:

same here, if the cars not 100% how I want it, I'll spend 5k on the R with a few choice upgrades.

if the cars not how people want it the R will go up in value !

Porsche don't disappoint, do they?

[swimd]

J-P said:

Good plan - however the GT4 is an unknown quantity. I'm planning on getting a GT4 but if the spec is not what I'd want then, I'll give up my spot in the queue, so my CR would not be for sale in that instance.

Well yes it is a gamble and I know that but my feeling says that the GT4 will be the 4.0 RS of Caymans. The last pure "driver’s car" with a N/A flat 6, possibly last manual too. If that is the case then a lot of people will change from the CR to a GT4.

I also think that a good amount of CR owners will upgrade to the GT4 even if the worst case turbo-4 pot/PDK-S scenario happens and the CR remains the "better"/"more pure" car. Not everybody cares about things like the feel of the hydraulic steering rack and a lot of people only care about having the latest and greatest (and most expensive).
I reckon less than 50% of all Cayman R owners know what type of steering rack their car has... (but 100% of the owners on here do)

[Mermaid]

swimd said:

Well yes it is a gamble and I know that but my feeling says that the GT4 will be the 4.0 RS of Caymans. The last pure "driver’s car" with a N/A flat 6, possibly last manual too. If that is the case then a lot of people will change from the CR to a GT4.

Very different price points though.

[mrdemon]

Mermaid said:

Porsche don't disappoint, do they?

often, this whole electric steering is very disappointing

[Mermaid]

mrdemon said:

Mermaid said:

Porsche don't disappoint, do they?

often, this whole electric steering is very disappointing

The bigger picture

[mrdemon]

the big picture is if I am spending £85k it's got to be bloody good. the R is so good it's hard to spend £45k on top of it to buy the GT4 if it,s a bit of a GTS project.

not really a new car buyer you tend to loose too much.

Just the difference buying new if perfect or waiting 2 years and picking one up 20k less, as long as it's not ltd numbers.
I have 3 nice cars to drive so don't want for any thing really.

the R is a hard car not to go and look at esp in Peridot and these crazy skies

Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 17th July 15:57

[ajondyh]

swimd said:

Well yes it is a gamble and I know that but my feeling says that the GT4 will be the 4.0 RS of Caymans. The last pure "driver’s car" with a N/A flat 6, possibly last manual too. If that is the case then a lot of people will change from the CR to a GT4.

I also think that a good amount of CR owners will upgrade to the GT4 even if the worst case turbo-4 pot/PDK-S scenario happens and the CR remains the "better"/"more pure" car. Not everybody cares about things like the feel of the hydraulic steering rack and a lot of people only care about having the latest and greatest (and most expensive).
I reckon less than 50% of all Cayman R owners know what type of steering rack their car has... (but 100% of the owners on here do)

I think you're underestimating the reasons why second CR owners actually own them

[V12DRC]

MDT48 said:

I once described the Cayman R as an Exige with a much better engine inside :-) While that may be a little simplistic, it's not a million miles away from how it feels when you're driving one.

My car is manual. And despite the fact that I know I'd probably be faster around a circuit with a PDK box, I simply wouldn't be having as much fun. I like to feel like I'm driving the car, and that when I get the downshifts just right, it's because I combined my feet and hands to achieve that, rather than some clever software doing it for me. I've got nothing against PDK, and I think that in models like the 911 Turbo it makes for a better car, I just think that a car like the Cayman R is more about feel and interaction. I'm not looking to start a fight about it though, so anyone who has PDK should enjoy it, knowing that they made the right choice for them.

As for a direct comparison to an Exige - yes I've driven many, on many circuits and on many roads. The Cayman R doesn't feel as instantly light and agile as the Exige, but once you start to work with it, you'll be amazed at how composed it is through sweepers and hairpins. The sound when you're lapping a track or out on the road isn't even worth comparing - having a flat-six wailing behind your head as you climb towards the redline sends tingles down your spine. And of course the build quality is in a different league altogether - not that I really mind the basic nature of Lotus cars, but as I mentioned in my previous post, I can spend all day on track in the Cayman R, then pick my wife up and head out to dinner in it - she even loves the buckets.

I was on track last year with a guy in a V6 Exige, and there was very little between the two cars, and every time we parked up next to each other in the pits I was surprised at how big the new car is compared to the old model.

Tks very insightful

[V12DRC]

MDT48 said:

I once described the Cayman R as an Exige with a much better engine inside :-) While that may be a little simplistic, it's not a million miles away from how it feels when you're driving one.

My car is manual. And despite the fact that I know I'd probably be faster around a circuit with a PDK box, I simply wouldn't be having as much fun. I like to feel like I'm driving the car, and that when I get the downshifts just right, it's because I combined my feet and hands to achieve that, rather than some clever software doing it for me. I've got nothing against PDK, and I think that in models like the 911 Turbo it makes for a better car, I just think that a car like the Cayman R is more about feel and interaction. I'm not looking to start a fight about it though, so anyone who has PDK should enjoy it, knowing that they made the right choice for them.

As for a direct comparison to an Exige - yes I've driven many, on many circuits and on many roads. The Cayman R doesn't feel as instantly light and agile as the Exige, but once you start to work with it, you'll be amazed at how composed it is through sweepers and hairpins. The sound when you're lapping a track or out on the road isn't even worth comparing - having a flat-six wailing behind your head as you climb towards the redline sends tingles down your spine. And of course the build quality is in a different league altogether - not that I really mind the basic nature of Lotus cars, but as I mentioned in my previous post, I can spend all day on track in the Cayman R, then pick my wife up and head out to dinner in it - she even loves the buckets.

I was on track last year with a guy in a V6 Exige, and there was very little between the two cars, and every time we parked up next to each other in the pits I was surprised at how big the new car is compared to the old model.

That's very insightful

[cortell]

mrdemon said:

Saying that I took my Spyder to Spa not the R , something just cool about driving the Spyder :-) but then it does have tweeks...

Edited by mrdemon on Friday 11th July 20:33

You might have been quicker had you taken the R...

[mrdemon]

cortell said:

You might have been quicker had you taken the R...

no posts for a year and you post this ?

very odd

I could read into it that you were there and I was going slow :-)

or you think the Spyder is slower ?

Both would be incorrect ;-)