12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
Fokker said:
Upnorthgt3 said:
Not that fast!!!
Just different engine charectoristics I suspect - I cannot find anything bad about it, which is unusual for me as I can be quite demanding - a great little package!! I say little, but the Techequipment cover I have (997.1 RS) fits it like a glove!!
You're right about the size. Its not at all small and has superb road presence. If you see another on the road, which isn't often, they look very wide and bloody superb...Just different engine charectoristics I suspect - I cannot find anything bad about it, which is unusual for me as I can be quite demanding - a great little package!! I say little, but the Techequipment cover I have (997.1 RS) fits it like a glove!!
Fokker said:
It has bundles of torque though which makes the slightly longer gearing less noticeable. I love mine.
I wouldn't say you have to work it hard on the road, perhaps on track a bit but then who fast do you want to go?
that's the issue, I have gone back to using my R and have not missed my GT4 one bit which I thought I would, I did not even pick up the keys since August really , just a couple of drives, the cars too good for the road to be fun in. I am hoping the new GT3 will thrill me, it's getting a fine line with newer, bigger , better cars are starting to equal dull !I wouldn't say you have to work it hard on the road, perhaps on track a bit but then who fast do you want to go?
I loved my GT4 but I was open about it and always said my GT4 was my Track or posers car the R was my drivers car.
I feel even more that way as the R is so responsive and alive over a GT4 and feels tiny also. the extra 20" tyre size also just puts the gearing over the edge for me over the R 19" wheels and 74 mph top speed in 2nd over the GT4 85mph.
People take the piss but you really don't need to move out of 3rd gear in a Gt4 on a B road ever, it has the grunt over 4.5k revs and goes to well over any speed you want to do on a B road.
The gearing killed that car for me. The 981 Spyder I have is just the same, people say more fun but you can put it in 3rd and be done with it.
you watch reviews and people driving them and people change gear for no reason !!!! inc PDK reviews and owners !
go drive a 458 and you are flipping the paddles all the time, so while I hate auto's the 458 gets you involved with the whole process and they seem to work with the car. Same with my golf CS ratio's.
the 458 does 65 in 2nd and only 85 mph in 3rd and 4th takes you to 111mph, the GT4 is still chugging along in 3rd till 116MPh way past the 458's 4th !!!
in the GT4 you just put it in 3rd and think that's that then ?! that's what I hated abut all the past GT3's crazy long in gear speeds ruins them for road cars for me.
Porsche911R said:
Fokker said:
It has bundles of torque though which makes the slightly longer gearing less noticeable. I love mine.
I wouldn't say you have to work it hard on the road, perhaps on track a bit but then who fast do you want to go?
that's the issue, I have gone back to using my R and have not missed my GT4 one bit which I thought I would, I did not even pick up the keys since August really , just a couple of drives, the cars too good for the road to be fun in. I am hoping the new GT3 will thrill me, it's getting a fine line with newer, bigger , better cars are starting to equal dull !I wouldn't say you have to work it hard on the road, perhaps on track a bit but then who fast do you want to go?
I loved my GT4 but I was open about it and always said my GT4 was my Track or posers car the R was my drivers car.
I feel even more that way as the R is so responsive and alive over a GT4 and feels tiny also. the extra 20" tyre size also just puts the gearing over the edge for me over the R 19" wheels and 74 mph top speed in 2nd over the GT4 85mph.
People take the piss but you really don't need to move out of 3rd gear in a Gt4 on a B road ever, it has the grunt over 4.5k revs and goes to well over any speed you want to do on a B road.
The gearing killed that car for me. The 981 Spyder I have is just the same, people say more fun but you can put it in 3rd and be done with it.
you watch reviews and people driving them and people change gear for no reason !!!! inc PDK reviews and owners !
go drive a 458 and you are flipping the paddles all the time, so while I hate auto's the 458 gets you involved with the whole process and they seem to work with the car. Same with my golf CS ratio's.
the 458 does 65 in 2nd and only 85 mph in 3rd and 4th takes you to 111mph, the GT4 is still chugging along in 3rd till 116MPh way past the 458's 4th !!!
in the GT4 you just put it in 3rd and think that's that then ?! that's what I hated abut all the past GT3's crazy long in gear speeds ruins them for road cars for me.
Fokker said:
RSVP911 said:
Not trying to start a row , but based on your views above, I can’t see you liking the GT3
That's what I was thinking Richard!Taffy66 said:
Fokker said:
RSVP911 said:
Not trying to start a row , but based on your views above, I can’t see you liking the GT3
That's what I was thinking Richard!Fokker said:
RSVP911 said:
Not trying to start a row , but based on your views above, I can’t see you liking the GT3
That's what I was thinking Richard!I'd politely suggest that he gives up his GT3 order and sticks to that beloved Cayman R that he keeps banging on about.
.I read his comments as i would a comic book..
jcosh said:
Fokker said:
RSVP911 said:
Not trying to start a row , but based on your views above, I can’t see you liking the GT3
That's what I was thinking Richard!I'd politely suggest that he gives up his GT3 order and sticks to that beloved Cayman R that he keeps banging on about.
Cayman R is currently being talked up as the best road driving tool ever. Maybe because he is about to sell it...
Call me cynical if you like but the GT3 will not 'gel' with Mr D and be sold on quickly for a healthy profit...
All IMHO of course
BubblesNW said:
GT4 has been sold...initially slagged off then talked up prior to selling.
Cayman R is currently being talked up as the best road driving tool ever. Maybe because he is about to sell it...
Call me cynical if you like but the GT3 will not 'gel' with Mr D and be sold on quickly for a healthy profit...
All IMHO of course
You forgot the 981 Spyder!Cayman R is currently being talked up as the best road driving tool ever. Maybe because he is about to sell it...
Call me cynical if you like but the GT3 will not 'gel' with Mr D and be sold on quickly for a healthy profit...
All IMHO of course
Like the GT4 initially derided but now it's ok...cue talking up prior to flipping in Spring lol.
I sold a 458 to get into my GT4.
I went from a 996 GT3 to the 458, and compared to the GT3 I found the Ferrari a bit too boring for road driving. Paddles just don't excite me anywhere near as much as a manual gearstick does. It's something you really don't appreciate in a drivers car until you go without. I loved the noise and look of the 458 (was my dreamcar up that point) but you could never really exploit the power anywhere, and I found the novelty of the paddles got boring quite quickly. The driving feel was also far better in the GT3 & GT4 compared to the 458. The feedback you get through the seat and steering wheel is far more responsive than I found in the 458. The 458 was a very easy car to drive, whereas you have to be paying more attention when 'pushing on' in the GT3 & GT4 I found. This adds to the excitement of driving these cars though for me.
It's not about speed, it's about involvement, and finding that perfect downshift, or upshifting as quickly, but smoothly as possible is far more fun that pulling a paddle will ever be....IMO of course.
People go on about the gearing in the GT4, but forget that actually peak torque is between 5-6.5K rev range...so actually if you're trying to keep the car within that range you end up shifting a lot more than if you just run the engine out to redline.
Having done 6000miles in it in 7 months, including a couple European road trips, I can say the GT4 is definitely the most fun I've had on the road to date.
'Horses for courses'...as they say.
I went from a 996 GT3 to the 458, and compared to the GT3 I found the Ferrari a bit too boring for road driving. Paddles just don't excite me anywhere near as much as a manual gearstick does. It's something you really don't appreciate in a drivers car until you go without. I loved the noise and look of the 458 (was my dreamcar up that point) but you could never really exploit the power anywhere, and I found the novelty of the paddles got boring quite quickly. The driving feel was also far better in the GT3 & GT4 compared to the 458. The feedback you get through the seat and steering wheel is far more responsive than I found in the 458. The 458 was a very easy car to drive, whereas you have to be paying more attention when 'pushing on' in the GT3 & GT4 I found. This adds to the excitement of driving these cars though for me.
It's not about speed, it's about involvement, and finding that perfect downshift, or upshifting as quickly, but smoothly as possible is far more fun that pulling a paddle will ever be....IMO of course.
People go on about the gearing in the GT4, but forget that actually peak torque is between 5-6.5K rev range...so actually if you're trying to keep the car within that range you end up shifting a lot more than if you just run the engine out to redline.
Having done 6000miles in it in 7 months, including a couple European road trips, I can say the GT4 is definitely the most fun I've had on the road to date.
'Horses for courses'...as they say.
Spiritual_Beggar said:
People go on about the gearing in the GT4, but forget that actually peak torque is between 5-6.5K rev range...so actually if you're trying to keep the car within that range you end up shifting a lot more than if you just run the engine out to redline.
You are basically just artificially changing your rev limit to 6500..which is fine if that's what you wish but you seem to be implying peak torque is good for more than the sake of it. If you're looking to maximise acceleration, you aren't actually just trying to keep the engine in the peak torque band but trying to apply the most accelerative force on the road. And in most cases that will be staying in the lower gear going higher up the rev range until at or near the rev limit compared to changing gears even if it gets you to the 'peak torque' band.
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