12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[RSVP911]

Porsche911R said:

RSVP911 said:

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(PS David - not sure why you think the roof is flawed - it's a doddle to use and judging by the Porsche video I saw showing how to do the roof on the older Spyder it's a work of genius)

Happy driving all

you cannot open the boot when it's up, so if you are away with the other half and it's raining and you drop her off at the hotel, you cannot get the bags out !

It also seems to have a design flaw with a growning amount of rips being posted !

I would rather not talk Spyders on a GT4 thread to be honest.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 2nd October 09:54

Fair enough D

[av185]

Porsche911R said:

you cannot open the boot when it's up, so if you are away with the other half and it's raining and you drop her off at the hotel, you cannot get the bags out !

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 2nd October 09:54

Err, try using the front 'boot'.

Its big enough.

[av185]

Twinfan said:

Not in the way I mean - to improve it and extract more power from it. What they did for the GT4 was to strangle it to match what the marketing department wanted. And it shows.

Helps explain why the economy is so poor with the GT4.

The Carrera GTS powerkitted engine is far more economical.....even in a heavier 911.

Unfortunately the GT4 uses more fuel than the 991 GT3.

[av185]

Porsche911R said:

It also seems to have a design flaw with a growning amount of rips being posted !

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 2nd October 09:54

Growning?

Haven't heard of any.

Please provide evidence.

Of course one advantage of the 981 roof is that you can actually drive the car at top speed whereas the 987 Spyder 'bin bag' restricted the car to...... was it 95mph....above that speed it blew off. :

Anyway, back to the GT4......

[MartinRS2K]

av185 said:

Watch that.......77 mph 'indicated' in newish Porsches whilst optimistic appears fairly accurate compared to many cars and there is recent evidence to suggest several counties including Cumbria at times operate a zero tolerance speeding policy (as opposed to the widely fictitious 10%+2mph 'guidelines') via their cash cow 'scamera' vans, particularly on the M6.

The Cumbria Camera Vans are very tight on speeds. I have a friend who got prosecuted on the M6 near Carlisle doing 74mph and it was a clear dry day with low traffic flow which is the norm in Cumbria.

I use the M6 every day to drive to Carlisle and I set the cruise at 71mph as the camera vans are there at least 4 days a week

[Fokker]

MartinRS2K said:

The Cumbria Camera Vans are very tight on speeds. I have a friend who got prosecuted on the M6 near Carlisle doing 74mph and it was a clear dry day with low traffic flow which is the norm in Cumbria.

I use the M6 every day to drive to Carlisle and I set the cruise at 71mph as the camera vans are there at least 4 days a week

That's bad... I would have gone to court at 74 mph on a motorway. When you do your advanced driving course, you are advised to drive at the speed limit if the road and conditions are suitable and not under it. He could have quite easily argued that you should be looking at the road and not constantly at your speedo. They allow 10% in the majority of cases due to this very fact and also that not all speedo's are accurate as there has to be an allowable tolerance.

A ticket at 74 mph on a motorway is ridiculous.

[Fokker]

av185 said:

Helps explain why the economy is so poor with the GT4.

The Carrera GTS powerkitted engine is far more economical.....even in a heavier 911.

Unfortunately the GT4 uses more fuel than the 991 GT3.

Having owned both, I wouldn't say there is much in it. Half the reason that the GTS is slightly better on fuel is the PDK box with auto stop start etc.
I was averaging about 24mpg in the 991 GTS and get about 21 mpg in the GT4 so considering it's a manual I don't think its too bad. Also I have noticed that now my car has a few miles under its belt, its getting better on fuel. I even managed without trying, 29 mpg on a motorway down to the Goodwood Revival the other day. Its certainly a lot better than my old RS4 that used to do about 17!

[chrisABP]

av185 said:

Twinfan said:

Not in the way I mean - to improve it and extract more power from it. What they did for the GT4 was to strangle it to match what the marketing department wanted. And it shows.

Helps explain why the economy is so poor with the GT4.

The Carrera GTS powerkitted engine is far more economical.....even in a heavier 911.

Unfortunately the GT4 uses more fuel than the 991 GT3.

My old 997.2 GTS (powerkit 3.8 engine) was far more economical than my GT4. Often saw 33mpg on the GTS during steady motorway journeys whilst the GT4 won't get close to 30!
Having said that, the GT4 is epic and who buys a sports car for economy!

[Twinfan]

chrisABP said:

Having said that, the GT4 is epic and who buys a sports car for economy!

I'd happily live with the poor economy if the engine was uneconomical due to a powerful state of tune. When it's detuned and uneconomical it's like the worst of both worlds!

[TDT]

Twinfan said:

I'd happily live with the poor economy if the engine was uneconomical due to a powerful state of tune. When it's detuned and uneconomical it's like the worst of both worlds!

[Fokker]

Twinfan said:

I'd happily live with the poor economy if the engine was uneconomical due to a powerful state of tune. When it's detuned and uneconomical it's like the worst of both worlds!

C'mon now.. you need to stop knocking what is one of the best sports cars ever made.
There is no reason to give it such bad press...

I can't work out why you dislike it so much

[TDT]

Fokker said:

Twinfan said:

I'd happily live with the poor economy if the engine was uneconomical due to a powerful state of tune. When it's detuned and uneconomical it's like the worst of both worlds!

C'mon now.. you need to stop knocking what is one of the best sports cars ever made.
There is no reason to give it such bad press...

I can't work out why you dislike it so much

Exactly.. if you don't like it, move on, wait for the next one... stop posting on the threads.. it won't change anything.

Would personally like to have more discussion about setting the cars up, experiences, meets and 'organised' drives

Edited by TDT on Monday 2nd October 13:42

[Twinfan]

As I've said, I dislike the engine. I found it rough, not powerful enough for a GT model, obviously detuned and not worthy of the rest of the car which I found handled excellently. For me the engine is the heart and soul of the car and therefore if it's lacking it seriously affects my enjoyment of the driving experience. Porsche had to make it this way though so it's not a great surprise.

Anyway, I'm happy to stop posting (although this isn't the appreciation thread) and leave you guys to it.

[daro911]

Twinfan said:

For me the engine is the heart and soul of the car and therefore if it's lacking it seriously affects my enjoyment of the driving experience. Porsche had to make it this way though so it's not a great surprise.

As a Spyderman your comments for a GT owner make perfect sense as the 3.8L non GT engine in an open sports car brings nothing but pleasure to my sunny weekend drives out and about

[The_Doc]

MartinRS2K said:

av185 said:

Watch that.......77 mph 'indicated' in newish Porsches whilst optimistic appears fairly accurate compared to many cars and there is recent evidence to suggest several counties including Cumbria at times operate a zero tolerance speeding policy (as opposed to the widely fictitious 10%+2mph 'guidelines') via their cash cow 'scamera' vans, particularly on the M6.

The Cumbria Camera Vans are very tight on speeds. I have a friend who got prosecuted on the M6 near Carlisle doing 74mph and it was a clear dry day with low traffic flow which is the norm in Cumbria.

I use the M6 every day to drive to Carlisle and I set the cruise at 71mph as the camera vans are there at least 4 days a week

This county is the best for diving though, the traffic speeds are high and there are plenty of obstacles to overtake,. making the A road to Whitehaven much fun twice a week.

Watch out for dark colour Golfs, BMWs and an Octavia Estate on the Carlisle northern ring road, you know with extra lights behind the grills.

Other than that, the driving is amazing. The M6 was blocked north of Penrith the other day, I was forced to go through Lazonby to get towards Brampton...... amazing road!

[av185]

MartinRS2K said:

The Cumbria Camera Vans are very tight on speeds. I have a friend who got prosecuted on the M6 near Carlisle doing 74mph and it was a clear dry day with low traffic flow which is the norm in Cumbria.

I use the M6 every day to drive to Carlisle and I set the cruise at 71mph as the camera vans are there at least 4 days a week

Indicative of the times, unfortunately.

Nothing to do with road safety, everything to do with easy cash.

And if there is one motorway where it is easy to exceed the limit, the M6 is it (particularly over Shap).

Much prefer the more interesting and scenic route over Kirkstones pass and along Ullswater.

Perfect driving roads for the GT4/Spyder in fact.

[av185]

chrisABP said:

My old 997.2 GTS (powerkit 3.8 engine) was far more economical than my GT4. Often saw 33mpg on the GTS during steady motorway journeys whilst the GT4 won't get close to 30!

Yes, I should have been clearer, I was referring to the 997 GTS, although mine is PDK which is more economical than 'manuel'.

As you say, fantastic economy no doubt helped by a very tall seventh gear.

[FocusRS3]

Not read on here about gearbox issues but spotted this on Rennlist.

As always some of this is blown out of proportion but figured worth posting .

Gearbox on the car I had was faultless

https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/954397-gt4-g81-tra...

[HokumPokum]

Twinfan said:

As I've said, I dislike the engine. I found it rough, not powerful enough for a GT model, obviously detuned and not worthy of the rest of the car which I found handled excellently. For me the engine is the heart and soul of the car and therefore if it's lacking it seriously affects my enjoyment of the driving experience. Porsche had to make it this way though so it's not a great surprise.

Anyway, I'm happy to stop posting (although this isn't the appreciation thread) and leave you guys to it.

This is crazy.... go mod it.... make 430hp
change gear sets etc...

why keep dogging it? makes zero sense. Its quite often the chassis that makes a car brilliant and not the engine. Of course if you just cruise, I suppose the engine noise does keep one occupied as well as the constant gear changing....... me? I'm happy engine is detuned, I can beat the ste out of it on track if I wished and i know the car can take it. over braked , under-powered and brilliant chassis to take the pounding time and time again ... then drive home. much better than a highly strung temperamental machine.

[av185]

Interesting that several PHrs have noticed a slightly irritating transmission droning at certain speeds on certain road surfaces.

Mine certainly didn't do this when new but it is very noticible now at 3.7k miles when cruising under a light throttle around 55mph in top gear particularly on a good road surface.

Wonder if this relates to the gearbox issues.

Just a thought.