Cayman R Chat

[frayz]

Old Trout said:

Hi frayz, do yours squeal at slow/normal road speeds? As you can guess, mine do!

Haha, this has been asked before. I've run RS29s in all my "fun" cars now for over 15 years and never had any squeal at all, Impreza, Mini GP, Cayman or Clio. I know many people have RS29s squealing and I've heard it myself on other cars but oddly I've never had it.
The only squeal i ever get from the Cayman is sometimes if I'm reversing on to the drive and brake to a stop they have a little "eek" and that's it, other than that they're silent at all speeds and temperatures.
I moved from RS29s on the Clio to RSL2 just to try a pad with greater bite and they did squeal initially, however they are used daily and no longer squeal at all. They do have higher wear than 29s though so I'll probably move back to the 29 next time.

[Actus Reus]

Thanks all. I’ve not had the car for long and i’m not sure what pads are fitted so I’ll probably see how I get on with what I have if OE aren’t utterly terrible. Bedford, I find, fairly hard on brakes, though.

I’m fairly experienced now and compete in a few sprints too - for reference if it means anything I was doing 2:11 dead in my GT4 at Snett so should be able to give the brakes a fair work out.

Fluid is a given - the car was serviced recently but, again, no idea what’s in there. I’ll see if I can find any clues on the receipts in the service file. I had Pagids in a VX220 turbo and liked them, but running Carbotech on my GR Yaris which I also really like. Are the R brakes the same as those on the S?

[frayz]

Actus Reus said:

Thanks all. I’ve not had the car for long and i’m not sure what pads are fitted so I’ll probably see how I get on with what I have if OE aren’t utterly terrible. Bedford, I find, fairly hard on brakes, though.

I’m fairly experienced now and compete in a few sprints too - for reference if it means anything I was doing 2:11 dead in my GT4 at Snett so should be able to give the brakes a fair work out.

Fluid is a given - the car was serviced recently but, again, no idea what’s in there. I’ll see if I can find any clues on the receipts in the service file. I had Pagids in a VX220 turbo and liked them, but running Carbotech on my GR Yaris which I also really like. Are the R brakes the same as those on the S?

Yes R/S brakes are the same .

[Old Trout]

If you have fitted a Porsche-style harness to an R with carbon seats, what did you need to do it?

I have searched here and elsewhere and am struggling to find a definitive answer.

I know I will need a harness bar. Do I need any other fittings or does Porsche style harness bolt to the existing seat fixings?

[frayz]

Old Trout said:

If you have fitted a Porsche-style harness to an R with carbon seats, what did you need to do it?

I have searched here and elsewhere and am struggling to find a definitive answer.

I know I will need a harness bar. Do I need any other fittings or does Porsche style harness bolt to the existing seat fixings?

Harness bar, Schroth seat eyelets for lap straps and i think Brey Krouse do an under seat bar for the crotch strap.
I'd have a serious think about putting harnesses in a car without a roll over hoop though. If the car goes over and the roof comes down, those harnesses will not allow you any possibility of escaping the roof from squashing your head and neck.

Edited by frayz on Wednesday 24th May 17:18

[Old Trout]

frayz said:

Harness bar, Schroth seat eyelets for lap straps and i think Brey Krouse do an under seat bar for the crotch strap.
I'd have a serious think about putting harnesses in a car without a roll over hoop though. If the car goes over and the roof comes down, those harnesses will not allow you any possibility of the roof squashing your head and neck.

Thanks frayz.

[ajondyh]

Old Trout said:

If you have fitted a Porsche-style harness to an R with carbon seats, what did you need to do it?

I have searched here and elsewhere and am struggling to find a definitive answer.

I know I will need a harness bar. Do I need any other fittings or does Porsche style harness bolt to the existing seat fixings?

The "Sub bar" that goes under the seat is a Porsche part I can find the part number if you need it, but that's good advise from Frayz if you don't have a cage

[ATM]

Marc_Hill said:

IanB_76 said:

Hi Frayz, 12 yr is as follows:

Spark Plugs
Drive Belt
Oil Filter
Particle Filter
Air Cleaner Cartridge
Manual Gearbox Oil change

All for a princely sum of £936 + VAT
About 6.25 hrs labour and the rest parts

Would be interested to know what spark plugs you would use, and estimated cost, as they are quoting £18.48 each which seems excessive.

Cheers, I

When I bought mine last year, the 12 year service was due. I got 3 quotes from various Porsche dealers, as it had full Porsche from new and I would have liked to have kept it. Think the highest one was from Cambridge - £2260.
I decided to let Cridfords (whom I bought it from) carry out the service in the end, as the difference was quite significant. Mine is a PDK, which does bump the price up.

Not sure why PDK would put price up unless it is the clutch fluid change. I've done this on mine a few times [myself at home] and may do it again as it seems to drive lovely with fresh clutch fluid. Especially noticeable with its first shift from 1st to 2nd when it is cold and I'm just setting off. I guess my point is that this is really easy to DIY so not sure if you should pay the premium but just do it yourself.

[AAAndy]

ATM said:

Marc_Hill said:

IanB_76 said:

Hi Frayz, 12 yr is as follows:

Spark Plugs
Drive Belt
Oil Filter
Particle Filter
Air Cleaner Cartridge
Manual Gearbox Oil change

All for a princely sum of £936 + VAT
About 6.25 hrs labour and the rest parts

Would be interested to know what spark plugs you would use, and estimated cost, as they are quoting £18.48 each which seems excessive.

Cheers, I

When I bought mine last year, the 12 year service was due. I got 3 quotes from various Porsche dealers, as it had full Porsche from new and I would have liked to have kept it. Think the highest one was from Cambridge - £2260.
I decided to let Cridfords (whom I bought it from) carry out the service in the end, as the difference was quite significant. Mine is a PDK, which does bump the price up.

Not sure why PDK would put price up unless it is the clutch fluid change. I've done this on mine a few times [myself at home] and may do it again as it seems to drive lovely with fresh clutch fluid. Especially noticeable with its first shift from 1st to 2nd when it is cold and I'm just setting off. I guess my point is that this is really easy to DIY so not sure if you should pay the premium but just do it yourself.

Plus brake fluid change that would also likely be needed at the same time. So can add a bit more on for that.

[AAAndy]

I've just had my 12 year service completed. Car got a completely clean bill of health with no further work required which was also great to hear.

Guessing that we'll all be facing into that over the next 12 months if not already completed.

So all ready for a trip up and around the Scottish highlands with some friends, leaving tomorrow morning. I live in Hertfordshire so tomorrow is likely to be a c.650 mile day ended up with a blast across the part of the Cairngorms which is always stunning.

I reckon we'll cover around 1750 miles over the next 4 days and I am looking forward to every one of them!! And blue skies forecast which is sooo rare for the highland across a 4 day period.

Now I just need to get into the garage and fit the temporary ppf fitting to the front end and also on the back of the wheel arches to protect the paint on the trip. Also means the fly crud just peels away.

[Nurburgsingh]

AAAndy said:

Now I just need to get into the garage and fit the temporary ppf fitting

What are you using for this?

[Old Trout]

The more miles I get to put on this car, the more I love it. It is so well-balanced on track and so responsive. A quick wash and scrub before heading off to Blyton in the morning.

[AAAndy]

Nurburgsingh said:

AAAndy said:

Now I just need to get into the garage and fit the temporary ppf fitting

What are you using for this?

I’m using Xpel Tracwrap

https://xpel.co.uk/products/paint-protection-film/...

It is pretty easy to apply. A bit fiddly around some of the shaped parts of the bodywork but all depends how smart you want it to look. But it will only be on for a short time so I’m fine with that.

[Old Trout]

Back in Feb, just after getting my car I had some tidying up to do and had it over at a well-known Porsche specialist.

One thing they said was that it had an A/C pipe leaking and it would be a major job, possibly even requiring the engine to be dropped out.

I did not have it fixed at the time as I wanted the car back but since then the A/C seems to be working. I have a ThermoPen and with the air con on the air temp in the vent was well below 10C so the A/C is definitely working. If there was a leak back in Feb then the gas would be pretty gone by now I would have thought.

Apparently, when the diagnosis had been done, it was noted that the pipe was 'wet' at a joint - but they did not actually test the A/C.

I am glad that I did not have it fixed then as it was likely going to cost well over a grand to fix.

[ajondyh]

Something else to watch out for and can be dangerous. I put mine in for it's annual MOT which it was flying through until the end on the brake test. A brake line blew whilst under test!! I trailered it to my local Indy who changed that pipe and another next to it which looked likely to go. The pipes are the ones on left side above the left cat, they are fixed to the chassis with a bracket which rubs on them and corrodes. One comes from the front to the rear and the other crosses over to the right rear. My indy told me this is a very common issue on 987's and 997's so well worth a check

[Mutton]

Hello all,

I'm potentially looking at replacing my K20 Elise track car with a Cayman R as I think I need something that's a bit easier to live with, especially on the long journeys to and from track days. I also have a modified 997.2 S which I used to use on track before the Elise which had the usual modifications that I'd also look to carry out on the R: GT3 shifter, GT3 master cylinder, larger discs, Pagid pads, HEL brake lines, track wheels, Cup 2s etc. The 911 is now my daily so I'd rather get another 2 seater and the Cayman would be ideal I think.
One question I do have is for PDK cars in case I go that route - do they need extra cooling for lots of track work? I think the PDK cars have the extra front radiator, but US guys also recommend an additional transmission oil cooler. Is this needed for UK temperatures or is it just due to the hotter temps in the US?

Thanks.

[frayz]

Mutton said:

Hello all,

I'm potentially looking at replacing my K20 Elise track car with a Cayman R as I think I need something that's a bit easier to live with, especially on the long journeys to and from track days. I also have a modified 997.2 S which I used to use on track before the Elise which had the usual modifications that I'd also look to carry out on the R: GT3 shifter, GT3 master cylinder, larger discs, Pagid pads, HEL brake lines, track wheels, Cup 2s etc. The 911 is now my daily so I'd rather get another 2 seater and the Cayman would be ideal I think.
One question I do have is for PDK cars in case I go that route - do they need extra cooling for lots of track work? I think the PDK cars have the extra front radiator, but US guys also recommend an additional transmission oil cooler. Is this needed for UK temperatures or is it just due to the hotter temps in the US?

Thanks.

Speaking not from experience but if i were approaching this question.
The cost of a transmission cooler is pennies and if you were using PDK hard on track repeatedly, i think id fit one regardless.

[IanB_76]

AAAndy said:

I've just had my 12 year service completed. Car got a completely clean bill of health with no further work required which was also great to hear.

Guessing that we'll all be facing into that over the next 12 months if not already completed.

So all ready for a trip up and around the Scottish highlands with some friends, leaving tomorrow morning. I live in Hertfordshire so tomorrow is likely to be a c.650 mile day ended up with a blast across the part of the Cairngorms which is always stunning.

I reckon we'll cover around 1750 miles over the next 4 days and I am looking forward to every one of them!! And blue skies forecast which is sooo rare for the highland across a 4 day period.

Now I just need to get into the garage and fit the temporary ppf fitting to the front end and also on the back of the wheel arches to protect the paint on the trip. Also means the fly crud just peels away.

My car has also recently been through the 12 yr service. A few minor things raised such as evidence of the condensers having slight leaks, exhaust heatshields degrading, front brake pads need replacing (did a big gulp when I got a quote for replacement pads for PCCBs!) and the battery needs replacing.

The AC is still blowing cold on my car at the moment, so any leak is pretty minor and I have a set of replacement condensers and receiver dryer for when it does stop working all together.

Brake pads and battery I'll do myself, as it doesn't look that difficult and I'm loathed to pay more labour than is absolutely necessary even to an Indie.

I was quite shocked by the quoted cost for the service so actually did a load of searching around online for better prices on parts, and found I could reduce the parts cost by over half by sourcing myself. I did discuss supplying the parts with my Indie, and they said they wouldn't warrant parts supplied by me, but did end up discounting things like spark plugs and pollen filter through using OEM equivalent. Just be aware that buying 6 spark plugs from Porsche at £22 each is ridiculous when you're buying a Bosch spark plug in a Porsche box that you can get for under £5 each. Same for the pollen filter that I got for £14 instead of £60!

I also bought my own Mobil 1 0W-40 and saved £30 on the 7.5 litres needed.

All I can say it is worth shopping around!

One issue that I did have after the service was a bit worrying... I was out for a Sunday hoon with a guy in a 720S, him following on my tail all the way from Dorking to Goodwood, and noticed what looked like oil down the driver's side of the car. Wasn't sure if I had run over something or if it was from the car, but when I got home I checked it over and found the inside of the wheel barrel, wheel-arch liner and damper to be coated in something.

I figured it was either a leaking damper or possibly brake fluid, having just have a brake fluid change at the service.

Called the indie and they came out to my work to check it over, and it was indeed a leak on the front right caliper bleed nipple. The nipple was fully tight, but it seems that even what looks like a tiny amount of corrosion on the tapered tip can prevent the nipple fully sealing. They bled and topped it up there and then, along with swapping for a new stainless bleed nipple and also offered a full re-bleed with a high temp track fluid FOC.

I decided to have all the bleed nipples changed to stainless for peace of mind, as I was off on a day trip lap of Wales on the Sunday. Also had the clutch bled as it is on the same circuit. Just a suggestion now that our cars are getting on a bit, that it may well be worth changing out the bleed nipples. If they do corrode more heavily you may need to drill out the callipers to replace them!

The car is now driving beautifully, with a couple of minor things to sort out in the next couple of months. The Wales trip was superb, albeit it was the end of half-term so very busy on some of the major roads.

Still managed 580 miles in a day, setting off at 5am and returning at 8pm having completed just over 12hrs of driving! Still absolutely love the car and would do it again tomorrow if I could!

[frayz]

Nice one Ian, glad you're all sorted now. Agree 100% on shopping around and doing the basics yourself.
I only use the indie for the "stamp" too. I've been an automotive development engineer for 24 years now so consider myself pretty qualified to change the plugs, pads, etc

[Mutton]

frayz said:

Speaking not from experience but if i were approaching this question.
The cost of a transmission cooler is pennies and if you were using PDK hard on track repeatedly, i think id fit one regardless.

Yes I think it would make sense. Question to any PDK owners on here that track their car regularly - has anyone fitted an additional oil cooler for the transmission or had overheating issues with a standard car?

Also, have any owners fitted uprated top mounts and control arms in order to get more camber for track use?