Discussion
Actus Reus said:
That car appeared when I was looking and my thoughts echo those above - in a way it really appeals as I am fond of a track day, but the core essence of the R has been removed. I would like my R as standard as possible, really, as I see it as something of a future classic, and this just didn't tick that box. Same was true of the red one Ashgood had at the time, too.
It's an interesting debate. Personally this is much more attractive to me than a standard R (horses for courses......!). This car will always attract a premium over a similarly modded S as it will always say R on the logbook. As these type of cars get towards middle-age the exact spec becomes less relevant. It's only when they become "classics" that the beards demand the original spec. In my opinion the changing of suspension components (all perfectly reversible) is the only thing that removes this from "standard", and I'm not sure I would really consider it significantly modified - perhaps, enhanced ???If you look at, say, 964 RS, 968 Clubsport, or 996 GT3 how many of those are still running original spec suspension ? Not many, and it doesn't seem to hold back values there.......
No that's very true - perhaps I've been too taken in by the buckets, manual, spyder wheels brigade (mine has comfort seats and PDK as it's mostly a road car!).
Saying that I also change my cars fairly often and want something that'll be easier to sell on and also with solid residuals. The fact that even a dealer struggles to shift this tells me it's not for me for that reason alone. On track I bet it'd be a blast albeit not THAT fast.
Saying that I also change my cars fairly often and want something that'll be easier to sell on and also with solid residuals. The fact that even a dealer struggles to shift this tells me it's not for me for that reason alone. On track I bet it'd be a blast albeit not THAT fast.
Actus Reus said:
No that's very true - perhaps I've been too taken in by the buckets, manual, spyder wheels brigade (mine has comfort seats and PDK as it's mostly a road car!).
Saying that I also change my cars fairly often and want something that'll be easier to sell on and also with solid residuals. The fact that even a dealer struggles to shift this tells me it's not for me for that reason alone. On track I bet it'd be a blast albeit not THAT fast.
Maybe the key is that these things are still trading that much closer to original purchase price than a Cayman S of same age, that originality is still a "thing". When they become cheap cars like 964 RS / 968 Clubsport did (if that ever happens), then the original components matter much less and they are bought "to drive" rather than polish ! When / if the values creep up again in the future, then the original components will matter once again to the collectors......Saying that I also change my cars fairly often and want something that'll be easier to sell on and also with solid residuals. The fact that even a dealer struggles to shift this tells me it's not for me for that reason alone. On track I bet it'd be a blast albeit not THAT fast.
Bottom-line modify to your heart's content and enjoy the cars as intended, but hang onto the original components where you can to keep the beards happy in the future !
I did this with my own 964 RS and returned it to (close to) factory spec before sale, which I'm sure netted me a better return in the end than selling with the modifications in place. This sort of justifies both sides of the argument !!!
Saw this and thought - they're right about the 'R"
https://www.evo.co.uk/used-cars/20731/best-used-ca...
https://www.evo.co.uk/used-cars/20731/best-used-ca...
Jamie Summers said:
Actus Reus said:
That car appeared when I was looking and my thoughts echo those above - in a way it really appeals as I am fond of a track day, but the core essence of the R has been removed. I would like my R as standard as possible, really, as I see it as something of a future classic, and this just didn't tick that box. Same was true of the red one Ashgood had at the time, too.
It's an interesting debate. Personally this is much more attractive to me than a standard R (horses for courses......!). This car will always attract a premium over a similarly modded S as it will always say R on the logbook. As these type of cars get towards middle-age the exact spec becomes less relevant. It's only when they become "classics" that the beards demand the original spec. In my opinion the changing of suspension components (all perfectly reversible) is the only thing that removes this from "standard", and I'm not sure I would really consider it significantly modified - perhaps, enhanced ???If you look at, say, 964 RS, 968 Clubsport, or 996 GT3 how many of those are still running original spec suspension ? Not many, and it doesn't seem to hold back values there.......
Besides... for that particular car, I wonder which weighs more between a rollcage or aircon - genuinely no idea but I know which I'd prefer for a road car. I can see the appeal of it as a junior-GT3-a-like.
MrVert said:
That is lovely! Punchy on price though.J-P said:
MrVert said:
That is lovely! Punchy on price though.
I said last year I didn't see it selling at that price and it still being for sale suggests that may have been a reasonable prediction. Good luck to him. 
frayz said:
UK Cayman R prices appear to be the lowest in the world by quite some margin from what I've seen.
So in a time where a loaf of bread is a fiver and a packet of fags will now cost you a remortgage, a1 of 1 car at £60k is a steal.
Go find another.
I've never understood "unicorn spec" or "one of one" - to me it just says the spec choice wasn't popular... Though, being fair, the Cayman R wasn't popular and sold slowly which is why it's now rare. To me the Cayman R is still a car to be driven and whilst you can see the body colour as you look over the wings driving along, I'm not up for a massive premium for that view to be of a darker green. We'll see when it sells though So in a time where a loaf of bread is a fiver and a packet of fags will now cost you a remortgage, a1 of 1 car at £60k is a steal.
Go find another.
What’s all this “wrong green” ?
The whole PTS thing was super rare across the whole of the 9x7 ranges. People just weren't into it back then, maybe because the world wasn’t obsessed with the instagramable aspect of your car.
But…. You’re right, you’ve really got to want that colour car, maybe to park up next to your 997RS to have a matching pair..?
The whole PTS thing was super rare across the whole of the 9x7 ranges. People just weren't into it back then, maybe because the world wasn’t obsessed with the instagramable aspect of your car.
But…. You’re right, you’ve really got to want that colour car, maybe to park up next to your 997RS to have a matching pair..?
Nurburgsingh said:
What’s all this “wrong green” ?
Just a friendly joke - the Cayman R launch colour was peridot metallic (green), and was exclusive to the Cayman R and probably the colour most synonymous with the R. Viper was available on the Cayman S Sport, like this one.
So there are other 987s out there in viper, but mostly Cayman S, where as I doubt you'll find a peridot 987 that isn't an R.
Edit to add - I believe 6 viper S Sports... so if you see a viper 987, it's probably an S. And the Porsche GB S Sport press car had an aero kit (like the R), lsd (like the R) and pretty much looked and was spec'd, like an R.
Edited by PaulD86 on Thursday 13th July 08:29
frayz said:
UK Cayman R prices appear to be the lowest in the world by quite some margin from what I've seen.
So in a time where a loaf of bread is a fiver and a packet of fags will now cost you a remortgage, a1 of 1 car at £60k is a steal.
Go find another.
I suspect prices will go lower. I’ve had mine up for sale from £38k dropping to £35K for 2 months and not one person has come to view it.So in a time where a loaf of bread is a fiver and a packet of fags will now cost you a remortgage, a1 of 1 car at £60k is a steal.
Go find another.
Various offers around asking price by text and a couple of people in phone calls saying they’d take it, but no one has come to look at it. It’s a ridiculously high mileage at just over 60,000!! People say that they’re made to be used, but mileage really does seem to affect the price which is a real shame. It’s almost perfect condition with very little signs of wear, has the buckets, extended leather, Chrono, spider, wheels, etc.
I just don’t think they are selling at the moment.
I’ll be keeping mine.
frayz said:
UK Cayman R prices appear to be the lowest in the world by quite some margin from what I've seen.
So in a time where a loaf of bread is a fiver and a packet of fags will now cost you a remortgage, a1 of 1 car at £60k is a steal.
Go find another.
agreed So in a time where a loaf of bread is a fiver and a packet of fags will now cost you a remortgage, a1 of 1 car at £60k is a steal.
Go find another.
Pete's car is stunning and I dont think silly for a minty 1 off Did you notice our cars made the pics in the ad
Edited by Mogsmex on Thursday 13th July 08:33
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