Cayman R Chat

[FTW]

Looks great, mine is still tucked up in the garage. I spent the festive period driving my other toy a Meganesport 275 Cup-S the Cup2 tyres really don't like this weather

How do you think the cars compared?

[frayz]

FTW said:

Looks great, mine is still tucked up in the garage. I spent the festive period driving my other toy a Meganesport 275 Cup-S the Cup2 tyres really don't like this weather

How do you think the cars compared?

Both cars were on Michelin Cup 2s so was quite good to compare.
I was quite suprised, in a straight line the Cayman R destroyed the Trophy R. I expected it to be closer than it was but after 60mph or so, the Cayman walks away and then increases that gap at an incresing rate quite rapidly. The TR is standard and my CR is pushing approx 350/360bhp, so probably goes some way to explaining that.

However in the lanes in the cold and slippey weather, the Trophy was an absolute weapon. Bags of low down torque and really competent chassis. It deals with bumps and undulations really well and felt just like my old Clio 182 on steriods. Chassis was super playful and you could be an instant hero in it as it just inspires so much confidence. Loads of front end bite and could easily cock a rear wheel in the tight corners and roundabouts with LO oversteer on tap.

Personally i loved driving it, good brakes, and really fun thing to be in. Personally didnt like the steering feel, as that felt numb compared to the Cayman and far too light for my liking. Also the seating position was way too high and you was sat on it, rather than in it. Although there was some room to drop the buckets on the runners so that will certainly help if not fully cure the issue. The rush of noise from the Akrapovic pipe is great fun as are the yobbo pops and bangs but it all adds to the theatre of the car. Id say id didnt feel quite as special as the R26-R as it lacks the cage and road presence and certainly doesnt look a patch as special as the CR on the road.

However to drive i loved it, a car that really punches above its weight and a well driven one would be a formidable car to come up against in any situation. I would love to get one on a track where i think it would really come alive.



(This is a statement of one mans opinion of which i value, not to open any kind of debate which i do not wish to get into with others)

The owner of this particular Trophy R has a number of high performance & exotic cars in his fleet and has just sold his 991.2 GT3 to assist a property move. The TR is a cheaper toy to play with along the same recipe as the GT3. Ive not heard him rave about a car hes enjoyed more than the TR for along time. I think hes had more fun in the TR in just a few weeks than he had in a year of GT3 ownership purely because of the usability of the car.That included a number or track days and a euro trip in the GT3 too, he says he doesnt miss the GT3 in the slightest.

I think that says alot about the enjoyment of driving no matter the vehicle, and the TR is a proper bit of kit.

Edited by frayz on Friday 4th January 08:26

[BrotherMouzone]

frayz said:

Trophy R stuff

Is this the one with Ohlins?

I’m a fan of these fast Renaults.

[frayz]

BrotherMouzone said:

Is this the one with Ohlins?

I’m a fan of these fast Renaults.

Yup, at a glance.
Ohlins, stiffer ARBs, Akrapovic pipe, GKN diff, no rear seats, composite buckets & harnesses. Approx 80kg saving over the stock car and 270bhp.
I personally really liked it, but then im a sucker for a Renaultsport hot hatch.

[DAWSpyder]

New photos posted of my 2012 CR if anyone is interested.

No rear wiper this time - library photos were wrong

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[FTW]

frayz said:

Yup, at a glance.
Ohlins, stiffer ARBs, Akrapovic pipe, GKN diff, no rear seats, composite buckets & harnesses. Approx 80kg saving over the stock car and 270bhp.
I personally really liked it, but then im a sucker for a Renaultsport hot hatch.

Thanks for the summary, my Cup-S is a very similar spec with the Ohlins etc. Superb Chassis. I too came from an RS background previously owning a 182 Trophy.

DAWSpyder said:

New photos posted of my 2012 CR if anyone is interested.

No rear wiper this time - library photos were wrong

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Lovely looking thing. If it was available 3 months ago I'd have had it unfortunately I now have a black one. Good luck with the sale.

[FTW]

frayz said:

Yup, at a glance.
Ohlins, stiffer ARBs, Akrapovic pipe, GKN diff, no rear seats, composite buckets & harnesses. Approx 80kg saving over the stock car and 270bhp.
I personally really liked it, but then im a sucker for a Renaultsport hot hatch.

Thanks for the summary, my Cup-S is a very similar spec with the Ohlins etc. Superb Chassis. I too came from an RS background previously owning a 182 Trophy.

DAWSpyder said:

New photos posted of my 2012 CR if anyone is interested.

No rear wiper this time - library photos were wrong

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Lovely looking thing. If it was available 3 months ago I'd have had it unfortunately I now have a black one. Good luck with the sale.

[ClioTrophy55]

DAWSpyder said:

New photos posted of my 2012 CR if anyone is interested.

No rear wiper this time - library photos were wrong

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Lovely car, but I'm still looking for a Peridot Green PDK!

[Rsx Boy]

ClioTrophy55 said:

DAWSpyder said:

New photos posted of my 2012 CR if anyone is interested.

No rear wiper this time - library photos were wrong

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Lovely car, but I'm still looking for a Peridot Green PDK!

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/cayman/porsche-cayman-3-4-987-r-pdk-2dr/9302322

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[SignalGruen]

Anyone know this car ? Looks well priced

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-Cayman-R-3-4-98...FsAAOSw7PJb5hbC:rk:3f:0

[ClioTrophy55]

Rsx Boy said:

ClioTrophy55 said:

DAWSpyder said:

New photos posted of my 2012 CR if anyone is interested.

No rear wiper this time - library photos were wrong

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Lovely car, but I'm still looking for a Peridot Green PDK!

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/cayman/porsche-cayman-3-4-987-r-pdk-2dr/9302322

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Should have said.........with buckets

[K400RDY]

Porsche911R said:

I have new in box's a big disk kit and pads and GT3 air scoops, but I sold my R before fitting them.

best value mod imo unless you go the Richard Tipper route and spend £10k on a race set up !
or the next level up from disks only would be 996.2 GT3 calipers and 350mm disks again pricy over just a disk set up.

there are no short cuts, heat is the issue and the only way to remove heat is have better bigger disks.
this is a tried and tested route in the track hungry USA for 987.2 cars.

any way I have front disks and a full set of pads and scoops for sale at a BIG discount :-)

Are these still available ?

[Jim1556]

Rsx Boy said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

That's been for sale for months and they've only just dropped the price by £1k. Still £7-8k overpriced IMO...

There's a lot sticking at the moment, despite prices (slowly) coming down!

[ClioTrophy55]

Jim1556 said:

Rsx Boy said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

That's been for sale for months and they've only just dropped the price by £1k. Still £7-8k overpriced IMO...

There's a lot sticking at the moment, despite prices (slowly) coming down!

I've been looking at the market for a while now, and seen a few data points, and my honest impression is that the current transaction price for a car with everything (whatever your favoured transmission, PSE, buckets, Nav, air con, PDLS, alcantara bits, good OPC/independent provenance, etc.) on typical miles (say very late 20K's to mid 30Ks) is £42K-£43K. Good cars lacking some of these characteristics I suspect are moving in the mid/late £30Ks. I suspect that without buckets anything above £40K is difficult unless e.g. low mileage. I think that, for a while, £45K might have been the default starting point on asking prices, but nothing is moving at £45K or above. Just a personal view from what I've seen out there, and I appreciate that many cars do change hands privately.

[anonymous-user]

Hi CR Folks

I have a custom fit outdoor cover made by Specialised Car Covers for a 2012 Cayman R.

It's in Stormshield +, with bag in dark grey and I used it about 3 times before I ended up moving house and had a garage instead. It's in as new condition.

Found it in a clear out of the garage. They're £350 new but I'd accept half that.

Please DM me if you're interested.

Thanks


Alex

[Rsx Boy]

ClioTrophy55 said:

I've been looking at the market for a while now, and seen a few data points, and my honest impression is that the current transaction price for a car with everything (whatever your favoured transmission, PSE, buckets, Nav, air con, PDLS, alcantara bits, good OPC/independent provenance, etc.) on typical miles (say very late 20K's to mid 30Ks) is £42K-£43K. Good cars lacking some of these characteristics I suspect are moving in the mid/late £30Ks. I suspect that without buckets anything above £40K is difficult unless e.g. low mileage. I think that, for a while, £45K might have been the default starting point on asking prices, but nothing is moving at £45K or above. Just a personal view from what I've seen out there, and I appreciate that many cars do change hands privately.

Is your impression based on the fact cars don't sell immediately so they must get chipped in the negotiations?

Will be interesting to see if the high spec car at 911Virgin at 46999 sells ....

[FTW]

Rsx Boy said:

ClioTrophy55 said:

I've been looking at the market for a while now, and seen a few data points, and my honest impression is that the current transaction price for a car with everything (whatever your favoured transmission, PSE, buckets, Nav, air con, PDLS, alcantara bits, good OPC/independent provenance, etc.) on typical miles (say very late 20K's to mid 30Ks) is £42K-£43K. Good cars lacking some of these characteristics I suspect are moving in the mid/late £30Ks. I suspect that without buckets anything above £40K is difficult unless e.g. low mileage. I think that, for a while, £45K might have been the default starting point on asking prices, but nothing is moving at £45K or above. Just a personal view from what I've seen out there, and I appreciate that many cars do change hands privately.

Is your impression based on the fact cars don't sell immediately so they must get chipped in the negotiations?

Will be interesting to see if the high spec car at 911Virgin at 46999 sells ....

Having bought a CR in Q4 2018 and negotiated with two dealers over two different cars I'd totally agree with the above. I bought around the £45k mark having negotiated about 6% off the advertised price for a car with all the key options and less miles than all the cars on sale at the moment.

[m88ony]

This one at Parkway has been around for a long time. Any reason why?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[Jim1556]

m88ony said:

This one at Parkway has been around for a long time. Any reason why?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

PDK, armchairs, no PSE. 3 big items missing from the 'must have' list, if you want a driver's car. This is like comfort spec - priced as a perfect spec manual. As I said a couple of days ago - £7-8k overpriced IMO.

Plus, they keep updating (but not really) the ad so it keeps appearing on the top of the list in PH ads every time someone else advertised theirs. Annoyed the crap out of me when I was hunting for a CR...

Looks nice, good history, but as it's a half fat CR, is it really worth £20k on top of a CS?

[Rsx Boy]

How much are we talked into these must have options ?
Surely you pick a car with what you want.
Although I thought the point of the R was a lightweight drivers car.
Which means the Bowker car in hardcore spec should have sold immediately and not sit for months with a price cut in Dec last year.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...