Cayman R Chat

[frayz]

BillyB said:

Thanks. I test drive nicely this morning. Just trying to justify it alongside my 964 and decide if a Cayman S wouldn’t be a better choice for the 3 or 4 track days a year it would get in my ownership

Arguably if you just want one for track then a modified Cayman S is a better bet. But it sounds to me like you’re wanting to try the Cayman and are not 100% sure.
Potentially your money will be safer in a Cayman R if you decide to sell it. However the S is the smaller initial outlay. They’re both great cars but I have to say, the R does give you that special feeling that an S won’t which is greater than the same of its parts.

[BillyB]

That “special” feeling was what I was missing from the 981 Boxster S I tried 2 weeks ago. The R had it though

[frayz]

BillyB said:

That “special” feeling was what I was missing from the 981 Boxster S I tried 2 weeks ago. The R had it though

Arguably the 981S is subjectively a better car than the 987S too. That’s what the R is about. It’s more than just a slightly tweaked Cayman.
My one genuinely feels like a special place to be and an event every time I turn the key.
It’s the reason I didn’t buy a 997.2 Carrera S or a 996 Turbo. Lovely cars, just didn’t have that scalpel sharp feeling of the R or the specialness.

[CaimanR]

I had a 964 C2 for several years before it was sadly lost in a fire in 2010. It was going to be my "forever Porsche" and I would have never sold it. Of course I loved the car, but I also remember it being a pig to handle at times. Once I had paid my "barely insurable" five years penance (I did lose three vehicles in the same fire) I assumed I would get straight back into an air cooled 911. But if course, 964 values has rocketed by then. I was on the verge of going for a 996 C4S when a mate urged me to try the Cayman. To me, it was streets better than the old 964. I'm sure some would rather have the unpredictability of the 964. But nothing would ever persuade me to go back, and my Cayman R will be with me forever.

[BillyB]

A sad yet somehow uplifting story!

[MCR5_WNA]

Rsx Boy said:

frayz said:

Moospeed said:

Apologies for the daft question but didn't know if this was referring to 52k miles or pounds? Just been scrolling through this thread wondering if there was any mention of this one (56k miles but may have been advertised for a while and increased. A lot.); https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Genuine question; is a sub-£35k Cayman R likely to be opening a can of worms? Need of suspension refresh, falling apart, other shadiness, etc. ?

Got more miles than most of the other garage queens, but looks bloody cheap for the car.
If you want PDK and it checks out straight, go fo it. Its a hell of a lot of car for the money.

Crazy cheap if its in reasonable condition.

I`ve never had a new car but understand driving characteristics can change quite a bit in the first few thousand miles as they loosen up. What about after that? Assuming sound maintenance, timely replacement of all consumables and a mix of road/quick road/track use, how much different would an R be to drive at 20k and say 80k? Ten years down the line could an R be driving well at 150k?!

[Budflicker]

MCR5_WNA said:

I`ve never had a new car but understand driving characteristics can change quite a bit in the first few thousand miles as they loosen up. What about after that? Assuming sound maintenance, timely replacement of all consumables and a mix of road/quick road/track use, how much different would an R be to drive at 20k and say 80k? Ten years down the line could an R be driving well at 150k?!

Yes

[frayz]

MCR5_WNA said:

Rsx Boy said:

frayz said:

Moospeed said:

Apologies for the daft question but didn't know if this was referring to 52k miles or pounds? Just been scrolling through this thread wondering if there was any mention of this one (56k miles but may have been advertised for a while and increased. A lot.); https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Genuine question; is a sub-£35k Cayman R likely to be opening a can of worms? Need of suspension refresh, falling apart, other shadiness, etc. ?

Got more miles than most of the other garage queens, but looks bloody cheap for the car.
If you want PDK and it checks out straight, go fo it. Its a hell of a lot of car for the money.

Crazy cheap if its in reasonable condition.

I`ve never had a new car but understand driving characteristics can change quite a bit in the first few thousand miles as they loosen up. What about after that? Assuming sound maintenance, timely replacement of all consumables and a mix of road/quick road/track use, how much different would an R be to drive at 20k and say 80k? Ten years down the line could an R be driving well at 150k?!

No reason why it shouldn’t if it’s been looked after, serviced and maintained regardless of cost.

[asbi]

Agreed its very cheap, CR servicing important and costly, plugs, belt, pdk fluids etc, mine has just turned 45k and I will be asking a lot more than that - having said that it has P-warranty and full P-history and factory paint......only guarantee of buying a non-accident damaged car.....

[AAAndy]

frayz said:

BillyB said:

Anyone know this car? Well optioned and missing just leather dash, PCCBs and I think Xenons.

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/sales/vehicle/cayman-r-6/

Don’t know it, but had a nose around it last week when I was down at RPM. Looks tidy and on its money.

Is the same car that was being privately advertised in the classifieds on here a few weeks ago? It was being advertised for £39,995 if I remember rightly.

[MCR5_WNA]

AAAndy said:

frayz said:

BillyB said:

Anyone know this car? Well optioned and missing just leather dash, PCCBs and I think Xenons.

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/sales/vehicle/cayman-r-6/

Don’t know it, but had a nose around it last week when I was down at RPM. Looks tidy and on its money.

Is the same car that was being privately advertised in the classifieds on here a few weeks ago? It was being advertised for £39,995 if I remember rightly.

Checks out with my record though I don`t have enough details to be sure. Its the 9th car below, the one listed as private.The extra 1k miles not surprising. Lovely looking car, spread sheets not come out so well though

Porsche Cayman 987R, autotrader only
Reg/where Private or trade Year Milage transmission colour £ @ 17/3/19 £@27/4 £@10/5
MK61 YPG Private 11 56 auto white 35000 33990 32990
Welwyn Quality Cars LK11 UDH Trade 11 45 auto black 28950 SG 28950
Porsche Leicester Trade 12 37 auto black 37500 SG SG
Marshalls Reading Trade 11 19 man white 38000 SG SG
Brookspeed Eastleigh Trade 11 34 auto white 38500 38500 33500
Braithewaites Penrith Trade 11 27 man black 41950 41950 41995
Porsche Perth Trade 12 19 man black 49900 49900 49900
Vanrooyen Warrington Trade 11 26 man Peridot 49990 49990 49990
Lincolnshire Private 11 26 man black 39950 SG SG
Slough, Ashgood Trade 12 53 auto black 33995 SG
Knaresborough RPM Trade 11 17.8 auto red 43995 43995
Wolverhampton Porche Centre Trade 12 17.5 man silver 52903 52903
Porche Bolton Trade 12 33.8 man white 42102 42103
Knaresborough Redline Trade 12 13.6 man white 47950
Porsche Aberdeen Trade 11 21.3 man plat silver 43900
Porsche Chester Trade 11 25.6 auto black 44000
Rpm Technik Tring Trade 11 27 man black 46495

[MCR5_WNA]

Anyone going to Brands Hatch Thursday? I`m 6'3'' and before doing too much more looking at cars would be fantastic to sit in a bucket seat just to make sure its viable!

Anyone have a track day provider favourite? On account of anything in particular? Thursday is MSVT

[Rsx Boy]

AAAndy said:

frayz said:

BillyB said:

Anyone know this car? Well optioned and missing just leather dash, PCCBs and I think Xenons.

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/sales/vehicle/cayman-r-6/

Don’t know it, but had a nose around it last week when I was down at RPM. Looks tidy and on its money.

Is the same car that was being privately advertised in the classifieds on here a few weeks ago? It was being advertised for £39,995 if I remember rightly.

I believe it is.

[lukeyboyuk]

MCR5_WNA said:

Anyone going to Brands Hatch Thursday? I`m 6'3'' and before doing too much more looking at cars would be fantastic to sit in a bucket seat just to make sure its viable!

Anyone have a track day provider favourite? On account of anything in particular? Thursday is MSVT

I'm 6'3" and can sit reasonably OK in my R however I am yet to get it on track. After a 3-4 hours of driving my right knee does start to ache a bit as it is at a funny angle. Could really do with the seat going back a couple of inches more.

[ClioTrophy55]

lukeyboyuk said:

MCR5_WNA said:

Anyone going to Brands Hatch Thursday? I`m 6'3'' and before doing too much more looking at cars would be fantastic to sit in a bucket seat just to make sure its viable!

Anyone have a track day provider favourite? On account of anything in particular? Thursday is MSVT

I'm 6'3" and can sit reasonably OK in my R however I am yet to get it on track. After a 3-4 hours of driving my right knee does start to ache a bit as it is at a funny angle. Could really do with the seat going back a couple of inches more.

I'm 6'6" and its fine. It'll never be comfortable for any particularly tall person in any desirable car. For me this is where the "manual is best" PH mantra fails. If you're tall then your left leg is going to be at a strange angle and occasionally a combination of left hand down steering and manual gear change is going to cause an issue, potentially at speed. Hence I drive PDK on track. Buckets are essential as they are lower and thinner than sport seats and that extra inch or so really matters for long legs.

[BillyB]

I'm 6'3" with stump legs and very long body and I fit in a Cayman R (with buckets) ...just. I wouldn't be able to fit with a helmet but I was told the seat base cushions can be removed, which would give me enough headroom. Can anyone confirm or deny the seat base cushions are removable?

[frayz]

BillyB said:

I'm 6'3" with stump legs and very long body and I fit in a Cayman R (with buckets) ...just. I wouldn't be able to fit with a helmet but I was told the seat base cushions can be removed, which would give me enough headroom. Can anyone confirm or deny the seat base cushions are removable?

Yes they can as theyre just held in with Velcro. However im not sure it want to, i guess it would be pretty uncomfortable sat on the hard carbon base.

[chrisABP]

I'm 6ft4 and my height was the ONLY reason I sold my R last year.....

My car was manual with buckets and whilst head room was never an issue ultimately the cabin was too small and I found my left hand constantly hitting my left leg during enthusiastic driving which is what we all use our R's for! On a PDK car the issue would be slightly less but still an issue I wasn't prepared to live with long term. My previous GT4 (918 buckets) and current 981 Spyder (918 buckets) offer considerably more cabin space and fit the taller driver far better.

[ClioTrophy55]

chrisABP said:

I'm 6ft4 and my height was the ONLY reason I sold my R last year.....

My car was manual with buckets and whilst head room was never an issue ultimately the cabin was too small and I found my left hand constantly hitting my left leg during enthusiastic driving which is what we all use our R's for! On a PDK car the issue would be slightly less but still an issue I wasn't prepared to live with long term. My previous GT4 (918 buckets) and current 981 Spyder (918 buckets) offer considerably more cabin space and fit the taller driver far better.

I've had GT4 (918 buckets) and despite the extra legroom I wouldn't go back from an R. The smaller R cabin size reflects the smaller lighter car, which are its advantages over the 981.

[chrisABP]

ClioTrophy55 said:

chrisABP said:

I'm 6ft4 and my height was the ONLY reason I sold my R last year.....

My car was manual with buckets and whilst head room was never an issue ultimately the cabin was too small and I found my left hand constantly hitting my left leg during enthusiastic driving which is what we all use our R's for! On a PDK car the issue would be slightly less but still an issue I wasn't prepared to live with long term. My previous GT4 (918 buckets) and current 981 Spyder (918 buckets) offer considerably more cabin space and fit the taller driver far better.

I've had GT4 (918 buckets) and despite the extra legroom I wouldn't go back from an R. The smaller R cabin size reflects the smaller lighter car, which are its advantages over the 981.

Agreed - and I would still have the R if I were shorter in height as its a wonderful fast-road car.