Cayman R Chat

Cayman R Chat

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Brads67

1,752 posts

43 months

Friday 6th September
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911jon said:
Hi Brads67,

You are of course entitled to your opinions, though posting them in the Cayman R owners thread is somewhat deliberately provocative to say the least! It would seem that you are perhaps not actually 'sorry to say'. However, let me address your points in turn.

For me, the 250Kg heavier Golf R is a numb, electronically controlled experience. Competent, yes; involving, no. Of course, many drivers will prefer that, it is far more accessible for most. The more typical Cayman R buyer revels in the lack of refinement and the additional driver concentration and input required.

As for build quality, I have some considerable experience with many hundreds of cars (ex vehicle development industry) and am of the opinion that it is extremely well made. That does not mean that it is swathed in active noise cancelling systems, soft-touch plastics and electric toys, simply that the precision of the driver controls is excellent and the tolerances and compliance seem tight.

It's not a car for conversation or entertainment quality on a commute.... this is deliberate (sound damping reduced for lightness). You may be rather missing the point of such a vehicle.

I am a little bemused by the assertion that it lacks grip and find myself wondering what treatment of the car might induce such a sensation. There are few cars at any price with a lower C of G, it is unusually light and has substantial tyres/road contact area. I would suggest that the owner check the age and condition of the tyres.

One might almost suggest in this context that the Cayman R is a pearl of a car....
Certainly an answer more inviting of discussion. Thanks for that.

Tbh I saw a thread and had a read and posted an opinion. I totally get that people love a car but saying you don't doesn't make you a knowledge devoid tool.

I can't really put my finger on what I didn't like, I have tried explaining a couple of things but the over riding thing was a lack of the "fun" feeling I got when driving the Boxster.

I do have to say though, it is not a refined car, which I suppose I expected it to be.

The spring issue may well be part of that as there was a little harshness that I felt transferred into a lack of poise when starting to lose traction a bit. So maybe it isn't as well set up as it could have been.

But anyhoo, I wasn't looking for a fight, just an input.

s3 akr

170 posts

98 months

Friday 6th September
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Brads67 said:
Certainly an answer more inviting of discussion. Thanks for that.

Tbh I saw a thread and had a read and posted an opinion. I totally get that people love a car but saying you don't doesn't make you a knowledge devoid tool.

I can't really put my finger on what I didn't like, I have tried explaining a couple of things but the over riding thing was a lack of the "fun" feeling I got when driving the Boxster.

I do have to say though, it is not a refined car, which I suppose I expected it to be.

The spring issue may well be part of that as there was a little harshness that I felt transferred into a lack of poise when starting to lose traction a bit. So maybe it isn't as well set up as it could have been.

But anyhoo, I wasn't looking for a fight, just an input.
Something isn't right if he's breaking springs. I'd have that looked into as its not a common fault. I agree that its not a car for everyone. I've had a Golf R (5 door, manual) and I would agree that its a great car with plenty of feel and great handling combined with power, torque and refinement - a real best of both worlds.

My Cayman R wasn't bought to replace my Golf R, and for about 7 months had both. The PCR is used as a weekend toy more than as a daily, so it gets driven in different conditions (ie only me aboard - no kids or Mrs to be careful with), and on different journeys where I seek out the fun and twisty roads to use it the way in which its focus is aimed. As an example I drove from Colchester to Droitwich cross country and didn't touch motorway once. The Golf was used for family duties and as the daily driver. Its a car where we would go on a journey and go the quickest route - motorway, some cross country, etc, but I doubt I would have done that trip to Droitwich without motorways. If I came across a great road then it would play nicely but get noisy from the passenger seats if occupied! I wish I'd taken it for a proper schlep around North Wales but I didn't.

As an all rounder I don't think there is anything as accomplished as that Golf R for my personal tastes. As a focused sports car for the road and track, I think the Cayman R is fantastic and very hard to beat, but its not great on motorways - far too noisy and unrefined for that on anything like a regular basis!! ! I have been upto Wales twice for that summer schlep around in it - once alone, and once with a mate (HighwayStar on here) in convoy in his 981 CS, plus a blast around the Malverns and a Donnington track day.

My point is that as a focused car the PCR does a narrower range of things better than an all rounder like the Golf R. That said, the PCR isn't to everyone's taste though - and that's OK.





freedman

4,433 posts

152 months

Saturday 7th September
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s3 akr said:
. As a focused sports car for the road and track, I think the Cayman R is fantastic and very hard to beat, [B]but its not great on motorways - far too noisy and unrefined for that on anything like a regular basis!![B] ! I have been upto Wales twice for that summer schlep around in it - once alone, and once with a mate (HighwayStar on here) in convoy in his 981 CS, plus a blast around the Malverns and a Donnington track day.

My point is that as a focused car the PCR does a narrower range of things better than an all rounder like the Golf R. That said, the PCR isn't to everyone's taste though - and that's OK.
I find my R perfectly civilised on the motorway, maybe that's because I came from 10 years in a heavily track modified 964, that was far from that!

Air con, Bluetooth, comfortable seats (buckets) cruise, tolerable stereo etc, all things my 964 lacked.

Of course its less comfortable than a 5 series or any designated motorway cruiser, but I certainly wouldn't call it unrefined



FTW

242 posts

121 months

Saturday 7th September
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Morning.

A small update on the R. It’s currently sat in the hills above of Lake Como having a well earned rest having been to the ‘Ring, Davos, Stelvio and St Moritz.

Giro discs and 5mm front spacers have been a great addition. I’ll do a full write up when we get back. Two days at then Monza GP followed by a Spa trackday on the way back.


tracydeedance

544 posts

124 months

Saturday 7th September
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Always found the CR civilised enough for Motorways very good all rounder for the roads fun car for those special drives.

911jon

15 posts

76 months

Sunday 8th September
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Snapped this in the sunshine today. It’s not a hideous car.

chrisABP

923 posts

93 months

Tuesday 10th September
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New CR for sale at 911V..... looks stunning in Guards, can’t see this hanging around for long

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...

Slippydiff

10,485 posts

168 months

Wednesday 11th September
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chrisABP said:
New CR for sale at 911V..... looks stunning in Guards, can’t see this hanging around for long

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...
My old car. It was a peach.

chrisABP

923 posts

93 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Slippydiff said:
chrisABP said:
New CR for sale at 911V..... looks stunning in Guards, can’t see this hanging around for long

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1007/Cayma...
My old car. It was a peach.
Looks great in red! If I wasn't 6ft4 I would still have my white one but red suits the CR so well.

Slippydiff

10,485 posts

168 months

Wednesday 11th September
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chrisABP said:
Looks great in red! If I wasn't 6ft4 I would still have my white one but red suits the CR so well.
I’d imagine that was a bit of a tight squeeze with the carbon buckets Chris !!

Porsche911R

17,324 posts

210 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Slippydiff said:
My old car. It was a peach.
what miles did you sell it with ? the car looked cheap then I saw the 40k miles.

chrisABP

923 posts

93 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Slippydiff said:
chrisABP said:
Looks great in red! If I wasn't 6ft4 I would still have my white one but red suits the CR so well.
I’d imagine that was a bit of a tight squeeze with the carbon buckets Chris !!
We all make compromises to get into some cars we choose to own but for me the CR dream was short lived as I couldn't live with my left leg getting in the way every time I used left lock! Shame as I loved the car! The 981 GT4 I had before and current 981 Spyder both have more space and with the 918 buckets set full low even my frame has loads of space.

Separate note all together but I've always loved S1 Elise but whilst I can climb in without too much hassle the unsightly & ungraceful extraction method (basically falling out on to the floor!) rendered ownership a non-starter! LOL

Slippydiff

10,485 posts

168 months

Wednesday 11th September
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chrisABP said:
Separate note all together but I've always loved S1 Elise but whilst I can climb in without too much hassle the unsightly & ungraceful extraction method (basically falling out on to the floor!) rendered ownership a non-starter! LOL
I'd suggest that had more to do with the copious quantities of alcohol you'd imbibed, than any shortfall in the design of the Elise Chris ?? ....

biggrin

Gixxerdave

26 posts

18 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Strangely , at 6’2 I never found the seating position in my R ( buckets ) a problem , however in line with Chris’s comments on the Elise , I have not yet found a dignified way of getting out of my Spyder ( 981 with 918 buckets ) .
Happy to stick with it though , love the car.

Slippydiff

10,485 posts

168 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Porsche911R said:
what miles did you sell it with ? the car looked cheap then I saw the 40k miles.
On the basis of the mileages at which the services were carried out quoted in the ad, and on the basis it was serviced by RPM (Harrogate) prior to me buying it, I'd guess it had 35-36K on it when I sold it, but that's only a guess.

Rsx Boy

85 posts

84 months

Wednesday 11th September
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There are 2 low miles white cars advertised this week privately for 48grand.
One on Trader, one on PH.
Too expensive??????????.........

Rsx Boy

85 posts

84 months

Jim1556

1,567 posts

101 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Both have transferable OPC warranty, none have PSE though. Shame...

Strong money even with low mileage.

The black one at Perth is also very good, but has been for sale for months.

s3 akr

170 posts

98 months

Wednesday 11th September
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That is low miles on both. I noticed the AT car has had the wheels refurb'd I reckon - the inner barrels are black rather than grey (or maybe mine have been done hence the grey!), but the car looks stunning. I hope they fetch the money being asked - just to prop up my leggy, old 38.5k miler one!!!

s3 akr

170 posts

98 months

Thursday 12th September
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Jim1556 said:
Both have transferable OPC warranty, none have PSE though. Shame...

Strong money even with low mileage.

The black one at Perth is also very good, but has been for sale for months.
AT car has PSE but no sprts chrono pack. Glasgow car has Sport chrono and no PSE.