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Mogsmex said:
Andyoz said:
Has Redline dropped the price of their grey one by £1000 over the weekend? I might be mistaken but though it was £39,950
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Anyway, not sure about that color but seems to have the options including PSE and that sort of mileage doesn't worry me. No Chronos but could be added (I'm getting the hang of this...)
showing as sold now, personally I love the colour looked at one at the PCGB national Concours last year in that colour and it was stunning https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Anyway, not sure about that color but seems to have the options including PSE and that sort of mileage doesn't worry me. No Chronos but could be added (I'm getting the hang of this...)
Edited by Andyoz on Monday 4th November 13:59
if your new to the market you will soon notice the right spec ones don't actually hang around
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 5th November 09:15
Mogsmex said:
showing as sold now, personally I love the colour looked at one at the PCGB national Concours last year in that colour and it was stunning
if your new to the market you will soon notice the right spec ones don't actually hang around
I'm definitely seeing (near) correct spec ones hanging around at high prices though?if your new to the market you will soon notice the right spec ones don't actually hang around
I thought I would attach a few pictures of the Rear Toe Arms I have made.
They use the standard front castings made by TRW and a short adapter with left and right hand thread.
It was so frustrating that when trying to get a perfect rear toe setting as soon as you fully tightened the locking eccentric bolt it always moved a bit where with these they are so precise. Also made locking washers that actually fit the castings so it is impossible for them to move and alter toe.The bolt is as far out as possible to put the centre as close as possible to the bottom arm pivot.
I have replaced the bottom arm bush to trailing control arm with a polybush as when the car was on the alignment jig and I pushed the wheel side to side the movement was noticeable . I now have a puller that they can be changed with the bottom arm in place.
If any one is interested I could make some more.
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They use the standard front castings made by TRW and a short adapter with left and right hand thread.
It was so frustrating that when trying to get a perfect rear toe setting as soon as you fully tightened the locking eccentric bolt it always moved a bit where with these they are so precise. Also made locking washers that actually fit the castings so it is impossible for them to move and alter toe.The bolt is as far out as possible to put the centre as close as possible to the bottom arm pivot.
I have replaced the bottom arm bush to trailing control arm with a polybush as when the car was on the alignment jig and I pushed the wheel side to side the movement was noticeable . I now have a puller that they can be changed with the bottom arm in place.
If any one is interested I could make some more.
phone said:
I thought I would attach a few pictures of the Rear Toe Arms I have made.
They use the standard front castings made by TRW and a short adapter with left and right hand thread.
It was so frustrating that when trying to get a perfect rear toe setting as soon as you fully tightened the locking eccentric bolt it always moved a bit where with these they are so precise. Also made locking washers that actually fit the castings so it is impossible for them to move and alter toe.The bolt is as far out as possible to put the centre as close as possible to the bottom arm pivot.
I have replaced the bottom arm bush to trailing control arm with a polybush as when the car was on the alignment jig and I pushed the wheel side to side the movement was noticeable . I now have a puller that they can be changed with the bottom arm in place.
If any one is interested I could make some more.
Great work, at some point in the future I'd like to go further on suspension upgrades on my car so please drop me a PM if you do decide to make some more. They use the standard front castings made by TRW and a short adapter with left and right hand thread.
It was so frustrating that when trying to get a perfect rear toe setting as soon as you fully tightened the locking eccentric bolt it always moved a bit where with these they are so precise. Also made locking washers that actually fit the castings so it is impossible for them to move and alter toe.The bolt is as far out as possible to put the centre as close as possible to the bottom arm pivot.
I have replaced the bottom arm bush to trailing control arm with a polybush as when the car was on the alignment jig and I pushed the wheel side to side the movement was noticeable . I now have a puller that they can be changed with the bottom arm in place.
If any one is interested I could make some more.
manracer said:
Andyoz said:
Hi, where is his adverised?
I replied to your mail budhttps://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Rsx Boy said:
Yes, saw that come up the other day - no Buckets though.Andyoz said:
Rsx Boy said:
Yes, saw that come up the other day - no Buckets though.Rocket. said:
Andyoz said:
Rsx Boy said:
Yes, saw that come up the other day - no Buckets though.Here's another color combo you don't see much. This ones a PDK so no interest to me but others may want to check it out (can't see it listed in the usual classifieds places either)
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1149724
Rocket. said:
Andyoz said:
Rsx Boy said:
Yes, saw that come up the other day - no Buckets though.The white R at JZM still not sold and the white one in Glasgow with 12k miles has had a price drop.
It will be interesting to see what happens to values next year as some examples will be closer to 10 years old compared to 5 years old when this thread was started. That won't worry some, but others may start to see the car as not nearly as 'fresh' a purchase.
It will be interesting to see what happens to values next year as some examples will be closer to 10 years old compared to 5 years old when this thread was started. That won't worry some, but others may start to see the car as not nearly as 'fresh' a purchase.
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 12th November 09:43
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 12th November 09:45
Andyoz said:
The white R at JZM still not sold and the white one in Glasgow with 12k miles has had a price drop.
It will be interesting to see what happens to values next year as some cars now much closer to 10 years old than the 5 years old when this thread was started.
cars will dry up in spring, nothing to worry about, all cars have a ceiling level, people were trying to push beyond that but that's low miles very nice speced 997.2 C2S prices.It will be interesting to see what happens to values next year as some cars now much closer to 10 years old than the 5 years old when this thread was started.
prices have not moved really in 6 years, you just have to price the car vs the miles as that's going up so price drops are now reflected in miles.
They don't make cars like this so 5 years or 10 years old makes no odds to price, condition, spec and miles do.
buyers are fussy buggers on R's also every one wants a low miles fully spec car for £40k and that's not happing.
PSE and miles is reducing the JZM buyers market and the high price and no PSE has reduced the Glasgow car market.
with a real 55MM PSE R exhaust being about £2700 the cars have to be priced a bit less than the imo £45k ceiling level for the best cars.
unless you really want an R, most people would rather a 911 for their money, so a smaller cult following for the R market.
always been a hidden gem. but in the main people want that poster 911.... this below seems a very nice example for the same money.
other R's are selling which have all the spec no issue if priced right and sub 30k miles.
redline sold their pretty fast but their prices are always keen and they will do a deal.
tough call if you have circa £45k for a porker not to buy this. And I love the R to bits, would like another in an ideal world.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Porsche911R said:
Andyoz said:
The white R at JZM still not sold and the white one in Glasgow with 12k miles has had a price drop.
It will be interesting to see what happens to values next year as some cars now much closer to 10 years old than the 5 years old when this thread was started.
cars will dry up in spring, nothing to worry about, all cars have a ceiling level, people were trying to push beyond that but that's low miles very nice speced 997.2 C2S prices.It will be interesting to see what happens to values next year as some cars now much closer to 10 years old than the 5 years old when this thread was started.
prices have not moved really in 6 years, you just have to price the car vs the miles as that's going up so price drops are now reflected in miles.
They don't make cars like this so 5 years or 10 years old makes no odds to price, condition, spec and miles do.
buyers are fussy buggers on R's also every one wants a low miles fully spec car for £40k and that's not happing.
PSE and miles is reducing the JZM buyers market and the high price and no PSE has reduced the Glasgow car market.
with a real 55MM PSE R exhaust being about £2700 the cars have to be priced a bit less than the imo £45k ceiling level for the best cars.
unless you really want an R, most people would rather a 911 for their money, so a smaller cult following for the R market.
always been a hidden gem. but in the main people want that poster 911.... this below seems a very nice example for the same money.
other R's are selling which have all the spec no issue if priced right and sub 30k miles.
redline sold their pretty fast but their prices are always keen and they will do a deal.
tough call if you have circa £45k for a porker not to buy this. And I love the R to bits, would like another in an ideal world.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Yes, the 911 is way more 'available' but it's a beautiful 911 ...last of that era....and it will always be a 911
I've researched the GT4 alot lately and when you realise what they have done in terms of mods to that I can really see the work that's gone into it (compared to an R).
One thing I love about the R is there is just one suspension setting - I really like that as that's it...just deal with it. BTW, How do people know the JZM one has aftermarket exhaust? even though it devalues it I like the concept of...that's what your exhaust is...deal with it. I don't like choices when it comes to car config....
I just need to sit tight and watch I think. I still have a blast in my gen 1 Cayman. I could have afforded a gen 2 but when I weighed it all up I just thought the price diff between Gen 1 and 2 was the same as cost of an engine rebuild so may has well just get over it as the odds are stacked in my favour it won't need one (and if it did I'll have essentially a fresh engine whereas Gen 2's will be at 80k miles and you start to wonder about them). If a super fresh gen 2 comes up (S or R) then I can swap over.
God they are a great cars even in non R spec.
There is that nagging 911 voice though...
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 12th November 10:58
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 12th November 11:00
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 12th November 11:02
Porsche911R said:
buyers are fussy buggers on R's also every one wants a low miles fully spec car for £40k and that's not happing.
PSE and miles is reducing the JZM buyers market and the high price and no PSE has reduced the Glasgow car market.
911R, I realise that you are a guru, but I am not sure I entirely agree with this. I think there are an increasing number who appreciate that the ethos of this car is lightweight and who want that spec. I am an engineer/designer and for me, all I was looking for was spyder alloys, carbon buckets, manual box and no frills. I don't want to use a phone or a satnav when I am driving my R. The PSE system is heavier and more complex than the standard (which sounds fantastic on mine, by the way) and adds no power. Weak consumer engineering, in my view.PSE and miles is reducing the JZM buyers market and the high price and no PSE has reduced the Glasgow car market.
I prefer it without A/C and I never listen to music when I am driving a sports car. Mine has the basic radio/CD (3Kg of lard!) but I would have been perfectly happy without it. The halogen lamps on mine are actually very good (may have upgraded bulbs) and are significantly lighter than Xenons. I think those who obsess over PCM and such extras on a car like this are missing the point - it's not a Golf R. I have all of that stuff on my family car. I just want to drive my R (and my 3.2 Carrera) with no distractions and feel the joyful lightness and driving purity that has been casually discarded by Porsche and so many other manufacturers lately.
My view is that any premium on 'high spec' cars will vanish over time. I almost purchased a 3.2 CS some years ago (seller decided to keep it) and feel that the Cayman R is a worthy surrogate and is in the same spirit.
Edited by 911jon on Tuesday 12th November 11:44
911jon said:
... all I was looking for was spyder alloys, carbon buckets, manual box and no frills.
I'm on the same wavelength there...the thing is apart from the 'R' suspension mod and slight engine power uplift what else is there compared to stock S (apart from £20k)? Edited by 911jon on Tuesday 12th November 11:44
Edited by Andyoz on Tuesday 12th November 12:06
Hi Andy,
The carbon buckets, aluminium doors (S are steel) and spyder alloys along with a/c delete etc save 55Kg over the Cayman S. This, in conjunction with the R suspension and power uplift (255bhp/ton) add up to more than the sum of the parts.
The car just feels more connected to the road, lighter, faster, more special to drive. There is a sense of occasion (and a big grin) every time I get in it. I too had considered a 987.2 S (and a 997 3.6), but as soon as I tried an R, I was hooked.
You might suggest that I am exhibiting confirmation bias, but I am a designer and engineer and do my homework pretty carefully when buying a car; I plan to keep the R long-term.
Jon
The carbon buckets, aluminium doors (S are steel) and spyder alloys along with a/c delete etc save 55Kg over the Cayman S. This, in conjunction with the R suspension and power uplift (255bhp/ton) add up to more than the sum of the parts.
The car just feels more connected to the road, lighter, faster, more special to drive. There is a sense of occasion (and a big grin) every time I get in it. I too had considered a 987.2 S (and a 997 3.6), but as soon as I tried an R, I was hooked.
You might suggest that I am exhibiting confirmation bias, but I am a designer and engineer and do my homework pretty carefully when buying a car; I plan to keep the R long-term.
Jon
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