Cayman R Chat

Cayman R Chat

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ras62

1,045 posts

120 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Nice car that Steve. I've not looked but is it hard to find those seats in an S? I wouldn't worry about the LSD part as aftermarket would do a better job than the little OEM item. I wonder how many R's still have a working LSD which seems to be the key ingredient for the change in behavior over the S.

ajondyh

580 posts

88 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Dan911 said:
You'd rather the S and spend money on it than an R.

Wow, each to there own.

I'll stick to the R thanks. The out the factory ready nimble little car that is a rare sight and will keep its money.

Anyway moving on...

Not seeing many Peridot cars coming to the market?
Here's one biggrin

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Breaking-for-spares-Pors...

fridaypassion

5,474 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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boxsey said:
I understand what you're saying and have actually been round Oulton Park in your car when Darren owned it but for me, the R is still the one I want. I may go for an S if I can't find an R only because it will save a fair wedge. I got close to buying an S a few days ago. It was a rare and cracking spec for an S as you will see from the original ad:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

..and all for £31.5k! It sold so fast (advert up Thursday night and sold by Friday morning) that I suspect we may see advertised again soon by a trader for significantly more.
Yes I was offered that car and would have jumped on it but... no Chrono. On a pdk? It's an ex experience car as well. If I'd had it I would have disclosed that but it would appear some traders don't. Luckily the very day after the chap rang me I got the call to buy the unicorn back.

If you think you are going to buy a half decent spec S, stick a Quaife in it and some decent colliers and make a car thats better than an R you are exactly right.

I'm not defending my personal car it's more the annoyance it caused me having being duped by the hype for the R that made me sell my S. I'm just thankful I got it back. It's utterly sensational to drive and as I say there for any R owner that probably hasn't driven one to try.

The R is a capable desirable car with way better long term depreciation prospects but it is just an S with a frock.

ajondyh

580 posts

88 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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fridaypassion said:
Yes I was offered that car and would have jumped on it but... no Chrono. On a pdk? It's an ex experience car as well. If I'd had it I would have disclosed that but it would appear some traders don't. Luckily the very day after the chap rang me I got the call to buy the unicorn back.

If you think you are going to buy a half decent spec S, stick a Quaife in it and some decent colliers and make a car thats better than an R you are exactly right.

I'm not defending my personal car it's more the annoyance it caused me having being duped by the hype for the R that made me sell my S. I'm just thankful I got it back. It's utterly sensational to drive and as I say there for any R owner that probably hasn't driven one to try.

The R is a capable desirable car with way better long term depreciation prospects but it is just an S with a frock.
You must have had a particularly bad R biggrin

I can't really believe what I'm reading..... Put in a diff and some other parts on an S and have a better car than an R. Utter rubbish! Also with a Porsche like these adding non factory after market performance parts significantly detracts from the value whereas the R is currently appreciating so not a great idea from an investment point of view either. I'm surprised that you've tricked your up to look like an R if you feel the way you do. Saying it's "just an S in a frock" shows your ignorance of the product and it's abilities.

fridaypassion

5,474 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Give over. I had a perfect R in unicorn spec with full OPC history.

The R is an S with some Bilstein fixed dampers on it and a slight chance someone might have specced buckets. Thats all it is.

If you believe in the cult of the R thats up to you. I've been there seen it done it dont buy it. My car is vastly superior to an R and creating something better than a factory spec R is simple.

What does an R have over the diff and suspension that makes it so good? Pixie dust? These are the only things changed from an S? Introduce more complex adjustable dampers from a premium supplier and you dont get something better? What about incorporating some proper top mounts to get over that pesky camber limitation? All simple stuff that will result in a better car overall. An S with some choice mods would be better and you cant really modify an R as it will destroy the residuals.




hutch2196

68 posts

116 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Fri
Why be selective in your use of the differences? You list suspension and diff as the 'only' differences, but you know that's guff. Doors, manifold, lowered springs, reduced unsprung weight with Spyder wheels and not forgetting the red door pulls! Sum of the parts is what splits the two, in the Rs favour. If mods are your thing then mod the R then put the original stuff back on at point of sale. Doesn't affect residues then.

ajondyh

580 posts

88 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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fridaypassion said:
Give over. I had a perfect R in unicorn spec with full OPC history.

The R is an S with some Bilstein fixed dampers on it and a slight chance someone might have specced buckets. Thats all it is.

If you believe in the cult of the R thats up to you. I've been there seen it done it dont buy it. My car is vastly superior to an R and creating something better than a factory spec R is simple.

What does an R have over the diff and suspension that makes it so good? Pixie dust? These are the only things changed from an S? Introduce more complex adjustable dampers from a premium supplier and you dont get something better? What about incorporating some proper top mounts to get over that pesky camber limitation? All simple stuff that will result in a better car overall. An S with some choice mods would be better and you cant really modify an R as it will destroy the residuals.
Bigger exhaust manifold and better system
Spyder lightweight wheels
Carbon buckets
Aero kit
Aluminium doors
Tuned suspension
330 Horsepower
LSD (Mine still works fine)
Better ARB’s
Cayman R Badges
Prestige wink

ajondyh

580 posts

88 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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fridaypassion said:
My car is vastly superior to an R and creating something better than a factory spec R is simple.
roflroflroflroflrofl

Sarnie

6,934 posts

173 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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ajondyh said:
You must have had a particularly bad R biggrin
I can assure you, that the R Jon bought was not a bad car wink




fridaypassion

5,474 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Bigger exhaust manifold and better system - Makes no noticeable difference other than slightly better sound IF you have PSE
Spyder lightweight wheels - Agree best wheel design of all time and very desireable
Carbon buckets - If you are lucky
Aero kit - hmmmm
Aluminium doors - makes no tangible differnce to the car
Tuned suspension - not a positive on the R
330 Horsepower - makes no tangible difference to the car
LSD (Mine still works fine) - relatively easy to retrofit but agree this is essential for a proper high power RWD car
Better ARB’s - dont buy it and would give £1000 to anyone that could blind detect which ARBs are fitted to a car
Cayman R Badges - Well thats the main feature
Prestige wink - Agree totally


fridaypassion

5,474 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Out of interest anyone actually have first hand experience of both the R, Basic S, specced up S or just me thats not blinkered? biggrin

hutch2196

68 posts

116 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Hmmmmmmmm, so there are some differences then other the the "only" two you state. Did you put the aero kit on your modded S, hmmmmmmmmmm!,

J-P

Original Poster:

3,912 posts

170 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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fridaypassion said:
Out of interest anyone actually have first hand experience of both the R, Basic S, specced up S or just me thats not blinkered? biggrin
Yes - I test drove a basic S for 24hrs. I also had a very good blatt in a tuned s and I currently own an R.

I think the R is far superior to a basic S. The suspension is extremely well-judged and makes the car feel sharp and precise, and yet still isn't too stiff for the road. The car drives extremely well and feels exceptionally well-balanced.

Now to the tougher question of a tuned S. I would say that the car I drove did feel slightly sharper, the cup cables made the gear shift rifle bolt precise, which I really liked but the tuned exhaust ruined the whole experience. It was fine when you were going for it especially as the lightweight flywheel made the engine very "zingy" but during normal driving it was boomy and just generally annoying. Made the whole car very chavvy, not my cup of tea at all.

So yes I do think that it is possible to tune an S and end up with a superior car to a std R, but the best bits of the R make it a much more special car. The buckets, lightweight doors, diff, lowered and different passive sports suspension and Alcantara all do just enough to make the car feel a little bit special and (for me at least) make a tangible improvement over how the car drives when compared to a std S. With a tuned S you have to be very careful not to ruin the car.

ajondyh

580 posts

88 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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fridaypassion said:
Bigger exhaust manifold and better system - Makes no noticeable difference other than slightly better sound IF you have PSE
Spyder lightweight wheels - Agree best wheel design of all time and very desireable
Carbon buckets - If you are lucky
Aero kit - hmmmm
Aluminium doors - makes no tangible differnce to the car
Tuned suspension - not a positive on the R
330 Horsepower - makes no tangible difference to the car
LSD (Mine still works fine) - relatively easy to retrofit but agree this is essential for a proper high power RWD car
Better ARB’s - dont buy it and would give £1000 to anyone that could blind detect which ARBs are fitted to a car
Cayman R Badges - Well thats the main feature
Prestige wink - Agree totally
I'm sorry but your fighting a losing battle and with lame reasoning! However your comments continue to amuse me, especially the "No tangible difference" ones biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

If you can't sense the difference in handling of anti roll bars (Or even adjusting an anti roll bar)your not trying hard enough wink But in any case it's not just about 1 thing it's the whole package which makes it such a good drivers car, but if you aint a driver you won't appreciate it tongue out

ajondyh

580 posts

88 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Sarnie said:
ajondyh said:
You must have had a particularly bad R biggrin
I can assure you, that the R Jon bought was not a bad car wink

You should tell him that wink

fridaypassion

5,474 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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hutch2196 said:
Hmmmmmmmm, so there are some differences then other the the "only" two you state. Did you put the aero kit on your modded S, hmmmmmmmmmm!,
By Aero kit we do just mean a fixed spoiler and two insignificant chin splitters? What difference do you actually think that makes? Easily substitutable for an even more effective aftermarket part. The only differences that you cant spec from new on the R are the exhaust and the ali doors. The doors wouldnt stand up to a blind test and the exhaust is microscopically different to the original.

I'm not saying the R is anything but a desirable car. A low mileage R is a good buy at the present time IMO and if you followed the never ending thread last year you'l see I called the bubble in prices last summer before anyone else spotted it. a 5k drop in prices followed. The prices are now going up again but only if you have a unicorn spec car. A basic spec R with no buckets is almost un sellable and barely worth any more than a well specced S. Nobody wants them magical suspension ARBs or otherwise.

If you buy a Cayman R you are buying exclusivity and spec (if you are lucky to find a good spec) If you want a more dedicated track car you can make a better one very easily out of an S. If you want a more dedicated road car you can get a PASM equipped S thats better. The R occupies an odd sector in that its purporting to be a track car but its probably too soft for that and it certainly way too harsh for a road car.

A very well specced S or Black series would still pull up to 35k. I know poorly specced Rs have traded well under that number during the back end of last year. S in short the 987 is as well know very spec sensitive and having the R badge will only help you if you have the spec to back it up.

Edited by fridaypassion on Tuesday 8th March 22:41

J-P

Original Poster:

3,912 posts

170 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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fridaypassion said:
hutch2196 said:
Hmmmmmmmm, so there are some differences then other the the "only" two you state. Did you put the aero kit on your modded S, hmmmmmmmmmm!,
By Aero kit we do just mean a fixed spoiler and two insignificant chin splitters? What difference do you actually think that makes? Easily substitutable for an even more effective aftermarket part. The only differences that you cant spec from new on the R are the exhaust and the ali doors. The doors wouldnt stand up to a blind test and the exhaust is microscopically different to the original.

I'm not saying the R is anything but a desirable car. A low mileage R is a good buy at the present time IMO and if you followed the never ending thread last year you'l see I called the bubble in prices last summer before anyone else spotted it. a 5k drop in prices followed. The prices are now going up again but only if you have a unicorn spec car. A basic spec R with no buckets is almost un sellable and barely worth any more than a well specced S. Nobody wants them magical suspension ARBs or otherwise.
I'm not so sure about that. Not everybody wants to mod their car. And the suspension on the R makes the car look a lot better (no ridiculous suspension gap). Also some people want chairs but to be honest the car should have at least spyder alloys and buckets, mine has PSE too, which is a welcome addition.

hutch2196

68 posts

116 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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So which aero kit have you fitted/spec'd for your modded S. A superior aftermarket version or one that looks like an Rs?

fridaypassion

5,474 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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ajondyh said:
'm sorry but your fighting a losing battle and with lame reasoning! However your comments continue to amuse me, especially the "No tangible difference" ones biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

If you can't sense the difference in handling of anti roll bars (Or even adjusting an anti roll bar)your not trying hard enough wink But in any case it's not just about 1 thing it's the whole package which makes it such a good drivers car, but if you aint a driver you won't appreciate it tongue out
I'm the only one offering completely unbiased opinion on here. No axe to grind. Own a tack car with all the bells and whistles on it thats got adjustable everything and blah blah and I have more then enough experience to set it up too. Drives round Caymans of any description.

As I say come and see me at my place in Yorkshire. Drive my S and swear on the life of your firstborn that its not better than your R and I'll give you £1000 its really that simple. You guys have 10-15k more invested in one letter on the back of the car so I wouldnt expect anything other that a fight biggrin

boxsey

3,496 posts

174 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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Loving this squabbling! biggrin

But more importantly...who is going to sell me their R for a little less than the current OPC priced cars? I'm not after a unicorn, it merely needs PDK, buckets and to not be pea green. biggrin

This might be the less chance to sell for a good price as the bubble is likely to burst as soon as I've bought one. It usually does! laugh