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julian987R said:
Looks stunning, as does the scenic view too!
So it had silver and now black rims, or vice versa?
Hi Julian - thanks, it’s from a trip to the Highlands last week. But can’t seem to find the right url option to get larger images showing on the forum. Sure I’ve tried them all but either seem to be posting a thumbnail pic or throwing a 403 error. So any advice happily accepted. So it had silver and now black rims, or vice versa?
As for the wheels - those on my car have always been black with the factory finish of the silver rim (painted not diamond cut) and lighter colour inside the main wheel.
AAAndy said:
julian987R said:
Looks stunning, as does the scenic view too!
So it had silver and now black rims, or vice versa?
Hi Julian - thanks, it’s from a trip to the Highlands last week. But can’t seem to find the right url option to get larger images showing on the forum. Sure I’ve tried them all but either seem to be posting a thumbnail pic or throwing a 403 error. So any advice happily accepted. So it had silver and now black rims, or vice versa?
As for the wheels - those on my car have always been black with the factory finish of the silver rim (painted not diamond cut) and lighter colour inside the main wheel.
Have you tried with these settings and ensuring the image is less than 2mb.
Alternatively you could upload to https://imgbb.com/ and then share the links back in the thread.
Best regards
frayz said:
I’m yet to get the final invoice as he was unsure how long they would take each and how much we would get out of the material.
But initial quotes, they were going to be about £180/£185 a pair.
This was my initial US made pair we used for the template the new ones will be even nicer in terms of finish.
thanks for your reply. I do like them....but wondering if I like them more than theseBut initial quotes, they were going to be about £180/£185 a pair.
This was my initial US made pair we used for the template the new ones will be even nicer in terms of finish.
http://classicfx.net/bolster-protectors/
....which they are due to release a version for the folding buckets on. I reckon for those with Alcantara trim yours would be a very nice and competitively priced option.
PaulD86 said:
Update on the failed handbrake shoes. Both sides of the car now have new handbrake shoes, pads and discs.
The handbrake shoes aren't the worst to do, just awkward. The lower spring is the only bit that gave me much trouble, partly as the old one had been taken out by the shrapnel from the old shoes and so I didn't have it as a reference for refitting. I could have looked at the other side, but as I had jacked the car up hard to one side of the garage, I didn't have space. Anyway, even the workshop manual doesn't show clearly how it should sit so for anyone who might do this, below is the pic I couldn't find, showing how it should look. For the side springs, these make them a doddle - https://www.toolstation.com/irwin-vise-grip-lockin... The bottom spring should be done first with it linking the two shoes, then the sides and then the adjuster gets put at the top and the top spring fitted - easy enough with a pick.
Interestingly, the shoes on the other side of the car were absolutely fine. I changed them too as it made sense to do everything and I had the parts. I have a suspicion that the problem with my brakes was caused by.... Porsche servicing the car. In what I imagine is a bid to justify the service cost, they had adjusted the shoes so they were right up against the inside of the discs. This meant that when I picked up my freshly serviced car, the handbrake would hold the car on a 45-degree slope on the first notch. Great, but it also meant that there was excessive rub of the shoes on the disc when the handbrake was off which will have generated lots of heat. Plus when they got wet they would rust on badly with lots of force being put into the shoes when I tried to free them off. I've adjusted the new shoes so you need to pull the handbrake a little further but the result is the shoes aren't excessively rubbing.
The rest of the brakes are straight forward. I didn't need tools to press the pistons back, they moved freely with a squeeze. Interestingly, the pads that came out which are only about 30% worn were not in especially great shape. the inner one had some surface deterioration so I'm happy to have changed them. Might do the front pads and discs too, just so it is all done.
I reused the wear sensor that were there and the pad retaining clip and just cleaned them up with brake cleaner and a wire brush.
Hopefully all good now, especially as the weekend weather is looking a bit warmer and drier than the last few weeks - time to bed the new brakes in and put some miles on it.
Sounds familiar, especially the grips to fit the hold down springs The handbrake shoes aren't the worst to do, just awkward. The lower spring is the only bit that gave me much trouble, partly as the old one had been taken out by the shrapnel from the old shoes and so I didn't have it as a reference for refitting. I could have looked at the other side, but as I had jacked the car up hard to one side of the garage, I didn't have space. Anyway, even the workshop manual doesn't show clearly how it should sit so for anyone who might do this, below is the pic I couldn't find, showing how it should look. For the side springs, these make them a doddle - https://www.toolstation.com/irwin-vise-grip-lockin... The bottom spring should be done first with it linking the two shoes, then the sides and then the adjuster gets put at the top and the top spring fitted - easy enough with a pick.
Interestingly, the shoes on the other side of the car were absolutely fine. I changed them too as it made sense to do everything and I had the parts. I have a suspicion that the problem with my brakes was caused by.... Porsche servicing the car. In what I imagine is a bid to justify the service cost, they had adjusted the shoes so they were right up against the inside of the discs. This meant that when I picked up my freshly serviced car, the handbrake would hold the car on a 45-degree slope on the first notch. Great, but it also meant that there was excessive rub of the shoes on the disc when the handbrake was off which will have generated lots of heat. Plus when they got wet they would rust on badly with lots of force being put into the shoes when I tried to free them off. I've adjusted the new shoes so you need to pull the handbrake a little further but the result is the shoes aren't excessively rubbing.
The rest of the brakes are straight forward. I didn't need tools to press the pistons back, they moved freely with a squeeze. Interestingly, the pads that came out which are only about 30% worn were not in especially great shape. the inner one had some surface deterioration so I'm happy to have changed them. Might do the front pads and discs too, just so it is all done.
I reused the wear sensor that were there and the pad retaining clip and just cleaned them up with brake cleaner and a wire brush.
Hopefully all good now, especially as the weekend weather is looking a bit warmer and drier than the last few weeks - time to bed the new brakes in and put some miles on it.
:Slippy on another Porsche forum said:
With the car up on stands for the now completed suspension fettling, I figured the rear disc and pad replacement would be a maximum of half an hour a side … Fat chance :floor:
With the pads removed and the handbrake shoe adjusters backed off, the old Alcon discs came off to reveal the handbrake shoes on the O/S almost worn down to their backplates ... :?:
Matt had removed the rear calipers and discs to Timesert the rear caliper mounting bolts. This was necessary as some bright spark had used the original rear caliper mounting bolts, despite having fitted 10mm spacers to the caliper mounts, this left precious little thread for the bolts to screw into, and thus the remaining thread was overstressed and s t r e t c h e d.
At the same time as the threads were Timeserted, the handbrake shoe retaining/hold down springs were replaced (the new retaining springs can be seen in the image) as they'd failed and were allowing the shoes to cant over (and as a result bind) instead of running parallel to the handbrake drum surface :
And these are the same shoes less than 200 miles later (this is the good end of the shoe, the lining on the other end was a wafer thin sliver) :
:wtf:
A quick call to Porsche confirmed I wouldn't be buying OE replacement set of shoes of them !! So thoughts turned to having the shoes re-lined, but before doing so, I thought it would be worthwhile giving the company I'd bought the rear discs along with the front and rear pads off, a ring for a price. Just as well, they supplied a set of four Mintex shoes for the princely sum of £25 plus VAT. :Dance-Tap:
With the shoes purchased I attempted to fit them. Let me say here and now, the handbrake linkage assemblies are fiendishly fiddly items (they're used on the 968, 964, 993, 996, 997, 986 etc) and despite having taken several images prior to stripping them down, rebuilding them wasn't a straightforward undertaking.
Having pulled the N/S apart and cleaned, inspected, lubricated and reassembled it, I thought the O/S would be a breeze … :roll:
Having started to strip it down, I found that the pivot pin (blue arrow) was partially seized. As was the handbrake cable attachment pin (yellow arrow)
This pin floats freely (and is only about 8 mm long) and is retained/held captive by the sides of the stirrup (white arrow) but worse still the lever (black arrow) it runs in was fouling and binding inside the stirrup that retains the pin.
With it freed off and stripped down I set about tweaking the pressed steel stirrup to allow some additional clearance for the lever and the pivot pin that runs within it.
The stirrup is 2-3mm thick piece of mild steel that had been stamped into the required shape then folded and spot welded (red arrow) to hold the ends together.
Simple I thought, install a couple of small pry bars between the two sides, and then I'll spread them sufficiently to clear the lever that runs between them.
A quick “pry” revealed the lever was tougher than it looked … So on the basis brute force and ignorance can shift anything, I pryed (is that even a word ?) somewhat harder. At which point the tiny (2mm) spot weld failed.
This was the culmination of long, drawn out, irritating (nee downright annoying) and frustrating day :gunfire:
Tools became airborne, as did the broken stirrup. Meanwhile the neighbours most likely thought the bloke next door had a bad case of Tourette's …. :grin:
I shut the garage door behind me and kicked the cat before downing a large glass of Amaretto.
The following morning I took the broken stirrup to my local fabricator/welding guy. Five minutes of filing/grinding prep, followed by 2 minutes TiG welding and a further two minutes on the grinder and the strirrup was now worthy of being considered a MotorSport heavy duty uprated part.
Back home for 9am, the O/S shoes and linkage were reassembled and back on the car within twenty minutes.
(Tip : Snap-On make a superb tool that enables you to easily press these springs in and then rotate them 90 degrees to secure them, but a pair of thin-nosed Vise-Grips do the same job perfectly, although the pointy bits really dig into your palm when you use them in this manner) :
The new brake disc was degreased and offered up, but wouldn't fit over the new and freshly assembled shoes and linkage … :splat:
Some head scratching and disassembly of the shoes and the linkage, revealed the linkage was “too long” thus forcing the shoes apart sufficiently to stop the disc going over them. This despite the shoe adjusters being fully backed off.
Further investigation/analysis of the linkage showed it's fulcrum point was making its effective length too long, with no obvious way of shifting the fulcrum to decrease its effective length.
If all else fails, go on Youtube, and it was here the answer was to be found in the shape of a DIY video on adjustment of the handbrake …
Prior to adjusting the handbrake shoes within the drums themselves, the handbrake adjustment itself needs to be backed right off.
With the majority of the screws retaining the centre console removed … I happened across the one that secures the glovebox/cubby hole floor panel, and with it and the floor removed, the handbrake adjuster mechanism was revealed in all it's misadjusted glory :
:roll:
With the locknut undone and the adjuster nut backed off, the rear disc flew over the newly fitted shoes :thumb:
The handbrake shoes were adjusted at the hubs and the handbrake lever subsequently adjusted in the cabin.
Sorting that lot out took considerably longer than the hour it should have done to fit new rear discs and pads ... and had the handbrake shoe linkages been checked when the retaining springs were replaced, along with the handbrake shoes and lever itself being adjusted correctly, would have been completely unnecessary...
With the pads removed and the handbrake shoe adjusters backed off, the old Alcon discs came off to reveal the handbrake shoes on the O/S almost worn down to their backplates ... :?:
Matt had removed the rear calipers and discs to Timesert the rear caliper mounting bolts. This was necessary as some bright spark had used the original rear caliper mounting bolts, despite having fitted 10mm spacers to the caliper mounts, this left precious little thread for the bolts to screw into, and thus the remaining thread was overstressed and s t r e t c h e d.
At the same time as the threads were Timeserted, the handbrake shoe retaining/hold down springs were replaced (the new retaining springs can be seen in the image) as they'd failed and were allowing the shoes to cant over (and as a result bind) instead of running parallel to the handbrake drum surface :
And these are the same shoes less than 200 miles later (this is the good end of the shoe, the lining on the other end was a wafer thin sliver) :
:wtf:
A quick call to Porsche confirmed I wouldn't be buying OE replacement set of shoes of them !! So thoughts turned to having the shoes re-lined, but before doing so, I thought it would be worthwhile giving the company I'd bought the rear discs along with the front and rear pads off, a ring for a price. Just as well, they supplied a set of four Mintex shoes for the princely sum of £25 plus VAT. :Dance-Tap:
With the shoes purchased I attempted to fit them. Let me say here and now, the handbrake linkage assemblies are fiendishly fiddly items (they're used on the 968, 964, 993, 996, 997, 986 etc) and despite having taken several images prior to stripping them down, rebuilding them wasn't a straightforward undertaking.
Having pulled the N/S apart and cleaned, inspected, lubricated and reassembled it, I thought the O/S would be a breeze … :roll:
Having started to strip it down, I found that the pivot pin (blue arrow) was partially seized. As was the handbrake cable attachment pin (yellow arrow)
This pin floats freely (and is only about 8 mm long) and is retained/held captive by the sides of the stirrup (white arrow) but worse still the lever (black arrow) it runs in was fouling and binding inside the stirrup that retains the pin.
With it freed off and stripped down I set about tweaking the pressed steel stirrup to allow some additional clearance for the lever and the pivot pin that runs within it.
The stirrup is 2-3mm thick piece of mild steel that had been stamped into the required shape then folded and spot welded (red arrow) to hold the ends together.
Simple I thought, install a couple of small pry bars between the two sides, and then I'll spread them sufficiently to clear the lever that runs between them.
A quick “pry” revealed the lever was tougher than it looked … So on the basis brute force and ignorance can shift anything, I pryed (is that even a word ?) somewhat harder. At which point the tiny (2mm) spot weld failed.
This was the culmination of long, drawn out, irritating (nee downright annoying) and frustrating day :gunfire:
Tools became airborne, as did the broken stirrup. Meanwhile the neighbours most likely thought the bloke next door had a bad case of Tourette's …. :grin:
I shut the garage door behind me and kicked the cat before downing a large glass of Amaretto.
The following morning I took the broken stirrup to my local fabricator/welding guy. Five minutes of filing/grinding prep, followed by 2 minutes TiG welding and a further two minutes on the grinder and the strirrup was now worthy of being considered a MotorSport heavy duty uprated part.
Back home for 9am, the O/S shoes and linkage were reassembled and back on the car within twenty minutes.
(Tip : Snap-On make a superb tool that enables you to easily press these springs in and then rotate them 90 degrees to secure them, but a pair of thin-nosed Vise-Grips do the same job perfectly, although the pointy bits really dig into your palm when you use them in this manner) :
The new brake disc was degreased and offered up, but wouldn't fit over the new and freshly assembled shoes and linkage … :splat:
Some head scratching and disassembly of the shoes and the linkage, revealed the linkage was “too long” thus forcing the shoes apart sufficiently to stop the disc going over them. This despite the shoe adjusters being fully backed off.
Further investigation/analysis of the linkage showed it's fulcrum point was making its effective length too long, with no obvious way of shifting the fulcrum to decrease its effective length.
If all else fails, go on Youtube, and it was here the answer was to be found in the shape of a DIY video on adjustment of the handbrake …
Prior to adjusting the handbrake shoes within the drums themselves, the handbrake adjustment itself needs to be backed right off.
With the majority of the screws retaining the centre console removed … I happened across the one that secures the glovebox/cubby hole floor panel, and with it and the floor removed, the handbrake adjuster mechanism was revealed in all it's misadjusted glory :
:roll:
With the locknut undone and the adjuster nut backed off, the rear disc flew over the newly fitted shoes :thumb:
The handbrake shoes were adjusted at the hubs and the handbrake lever subsequently adjusted in the cabin.
Sorting that lot out took considerably longer than the hour it should have done to fit new rear discs and pads ... and had the handbrake shoe linkages been checked when the retaining springs were replaced, along with the handbrake shoes and lever itself being adjusted correctly, would have been completely unnecessary...
AAAndy said:
Hi all – Newbie CR owner here!
I picked it up last Thursday afternoon, then left for a trip the next day on Friday morning to the Scottish highlands and covered just shy of 1600 glorious miles. The car is absolutely stunning, and I now truly get why you all love your CRs so much. I had high expectations, but it is everything I was expecting and much more.
Ah ha, so it was you! I had a few messages asking if I had been out in mine from friends who had spotted a peridot R going about. I picked it up last Thursday afternoon, then left for a trip the next day on Friday morning to the Scottish highlands and covered just shy of 1600 glorious miles. The car is absolutely stunning, and I now truly get why you all love your CRs so much. I had high expectations, but it is everything I was expecting and much more.
If you're up again, give me a shout if you want - I'm usually up for a run somewhere.
Slippydiff said:
Burlers said:
Hmmm, I have to say I never been convinced. Personally I think it's the car's weakest angle, whereas these play to the car's strengths :
Rear three-quarter image taken from higher up works better than low down IMO :
The problem for me is that all the early Cayman iterations look a bit weedy from certain angles, but small and purposeful from others.
The rear 3/4 view is one of my favorites.
But from low down.bigmowley said:
Interesting different strokes for different folks.
So true.bigmowley said:
Sorry Slippydiff but I am the complete opposite to you on favorite angles, I’m with Burlers.
No need to apologise, as you've rightly said, different strokes for different folks.bigmowley said:
The problem for me is that all the early Cayman iterations look a bit weedy from certain angles, but small and purposeful from others.
It's not a problem, it's your your opinion, and you're perfectly entitled to it, and don't let anyone tell you differently.bigmowley said:
The rear 3/4 view is one of my favorites. But from low down.
One for me : But from low down.
One for you (and Burlers) :
Whilst I'm here, I may as well post another ...
Slippydiff said:
julian987R said:
I presume it's ok that I imbibed alcohol after a somewhat frustrating day Julian ?
my apologies...not heard of that phrase, perhaps a regional, cultural or generational difference.... again, my apologies. As to the drink, yep fill your boots!
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