U turn if you want to, Slippy's not for turning .....
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
Looks great in red, and is that a recovered steering wheel again looks great.
The R is a nice thing, yes it has a few down sides, but so does EVERY car, it's plenty fast enough for sure and as the OP has said, below 100mph not a lot in it vs GT3's, it does puff abit over 100mph if you are used to an extra 100bhp, but in the UK for fun it's enough BHP for sure.
A geo is a must have, and even maybe 7mm spacers up front, or go the whole hog and fit adjustable LCA as even on a stock geo on full camber I wear my outers still. My Spyder runs -2 up front and I get good wear and no need for spacers either as you gain more track by default. One may have to put a smaller spacer in the rear, I did to balance it back up a bit, it was a bit too much rear action with 28mm extra front track and no rear spacers, so I added 5mm each side on the back which feels better on the limit.
The shift is great once warm as noted, it is a 997 part after all for the short shift.
Brakes , and that's a rub :-) do over heat, the best way forward imo with out changing calipers and ££££ is upsizing disks to 340MM gyro units, Gyro supply the spacers for the calipers, some srf,, RS29 and the 997 GT3 lower air ducts. I would do that before any GT3 MC change as once you do,you may not think you need less pedal travel. And every one knows my MC issues, less travel is not a good thing for me on the limit, Threshold braking is far easier (what ever the moose says) with more travel, it's simple maths !
So geo fixed
brakes fixed sort of !
Tyres is a more tricky one, I hate all Nspec as they are very dated but the PS2 is the best of the lot, I loved the super sports I ran on my first R and have fitted PS4S on my 2nd R, I do in fact like the older supersports more !! the side walls are stiffer on the PS4S or feel stiffer so the ride comfort is reduced and the steering has less weight. I really did like the Super sports. I will drop pressures 1 psi on the PS4S and see how I get on.
The passive set up on the R makes it, but ofcourse it can be bettered, and Ohlins now have road and track for the cars so an option, but I quite like the jiggle on the R passives, it keeps speeds down and makes the car more alive, if you fix that you will just drive faster and for me that's not my aim, fun sub 80mph is key with these new speeding laws. (this really is a kick in the balls for GT3's as you just have to go faster by 20/30 mph imho)
I am happy Slippy has tried an R many 964 track warriors have and so have many a GT3 owner , most not by choice 1/2 the time as people cashed in on GT3 and the like found the R by default, 964 owners found a straight swap possible from a once £15k car ! , it is the poor mans Porker after all, but you have to live with that knowing you are having more fun.
I look forward to more reviews and to see what Slippy will do brake wise, the best option is to fit the 996 GT3 mk 2 caliper (this is the same calipers as fitted to the PCCB Cayman R and they also make a bespoke MC inbetween the R and the GT3 one to match, this will allow the 6 pots and 350mm disks.
My Spyder feels amazing with this set up but it is a tad more than the 340mm Gyro disk upsize.
Have fun I say, it really is a fun little car (little is a major plus point again, it does feel smaller even after driving the GT4)
PS the lucky bugger also got xenons, and while still not Audi like, they are night and day ;-) over the standard s
t !!! but so rare to see on an R.
My understanding is the change to Mk2 996 GT3 six pots, requires the 997 S or PCCB 987 front uprights ? Though there's a company in the States that does adaptors to convert the standard 987 front upright spacing to the slightly wider bolt spacing of the 996 six pot calipers. The R is a nice thing, yes it has a few down sides, but so does EVERY car, it's plenty fast enough for sure and as the OP has said, below 100mph not a lot in it vs GT3's, it does puff abit over 100mph if you are used to an extra 100bhp, but in the UK for fun it's enough BHP for sure.
A geo is a must have, and even maybe 7mm spacers up front, or go the whole hog and fit adjustable LCA as even on a stock geo on full camber I wear my outers still. My Spyder runs -2 up front and I get good wear and no need for spacers either as you gain more track by default. One may have to put a smaller spacer in the rear, I did to balance it back up a bit, it was a bit too much rear action with 28mm extra front track and no rear spacers, so I added 5mm each side on the back which feels better on the limit.
The shift is great once warm as noted, it is a 997 part after all for the short shift.
Brakes , and that's a rub :-) do over heat, the best way forward imo with out changing calipers and ££££ is upsizing disks to 340MM gyro units, Gyro supply the spacers for the calipers, some srf,, RS29 and the 997 GT3 lower air ducts. I would do that before any GT3 MC change as once you do,you may not think you need less pedal travel. And every one knows my MC issues, less travel is not a good thing for me on the limit, Threshold braking is far easier (what ever the moose says) with more travel, it's simple maths !
So geo fixed
brakes fixed sort of !
Tyres is a more tricky one, I hate all Nspec as they are very dated but the PS2 is the best of the lot, I loved the super sports I ran on my first R and have fitted PS4S on my 2nd R, I do in fact like the older supersports more !! the side walls are stiffer on the PS4S or feel stiffer so the ride comfort is reduced and the steering has less weight. I really did like the Super sports. I will drop pressures 1 psi on the PS4S and see how I get on.
The passive set up on the R makes it, but ofcourse it can be bettered, and Ohlins now have road and track for the cars so an option, but I quite like the jiggle on the R passives, it keeps speeds down and makes the car more alive, if you fix that you will just drive faster and for me that's not my aim, fun sub 80mph is key with these new speeding laws. (this really is a kick in the balls for GT3's as you just have to go faster by 20/30 mph imho)
I am happy Slippy has tried an R many 964 track warriors have and so have many a GT3 owner , most not by choice 1/2 the time as people cashed in on GT3 and the like found the R by default, 964 owners found a straight swap possible from a once £15k car ! , it is the poor mans Porker after all, but you have to live with that knowing you are having more fun.
I look forward to more reviews and to see what Slippy will do brake wise, the best option is to fit the 996 GT3 mk 2 caliper (this is the same calipers as fitted to the PCCB Cayman R and they also make a bespoke MC inbetween the R and the GT3 one to match, this will allow the 6 pots and 350mm disks.
My Spyder feels amazing with this set up but it is a tad more than the 340mm Gyro disk upsize.
Have fun I say, it really is a fun little car (little is a major plus point again, it does feel smaller even after driving the GT4)
PS the lucky bugger also got xenons, and while still not Audi like, they are night and day ;-) over the standard s
t !!! but so rare to see on an R.The six pots are now hugely expensive (and to make matters worse I sold a pair of "as new" refurbished items for £1100 this time last year.....)
No doubt the rears would need upgrading to retain some kind of decent front to rear balance too. I'm pretty sure the standard four pots on larger diameter discs with decent pads and fluid will be more than up to the job. And as you know, the car doesn't require such heavy braking as the GT3 to get weight transfer onto the front anyway .....
In all honesty I've researched the available increased disc size availablity, and think I have plan that'll utilise the standard calipers and work out cheaper than the Giro disc conversion whilst utilising floating items too.
Looking like I'll go with PFC 08 or 11 pads, they seem to be getting good reviews on Rennlist. RS29's are excellent, but a bit like PS2's, they're an old compound now, and do have their shortcomings, not least of all their cost....
Steering wheel recovered
(minus dab of oppo red stripe) as when I bought it, it was the usual matted mass of sweat infused alcantara 
Great write up. I was sorely tempted by the one at Cameron last year, was the perfect spec for me but decided to persist with the 964 instead. They are lovely things to drive but for me have similar, albeit minor, drawbacks as the 996 GT3 namely seating too high and light steering. I still have one eye on the classifieds for a GT3 or Cayman R so may end up with one in the end.
ras62 said:
a.k.a Shameless slippydiff.
First Boxey, now Slippy. It's disturbing news. I've just been out to the garage to tell old 964 and I think she's wet herself....either that or I've got another oil leak;)
First Boxey, now Slippy. It's disturbing news. I've just been out to the garage to tell old 964 and I think she's wet herself....either that or I've got another oil leak;)
Hi ras, hope you're well ? Wish we'd spoken at Oulton
Much as I'd love to be back in a 964 (the Rubystone car at JZM has given me plenty of sleepless nights) they just don't make sense at my current price point, when you can have something 25+ years younger that's far, far quicker and hopefully waaaay cheaper to run. No oil leaks, no tired suspension, no corrosion issues, the list is endless (unfortunately).Old age is creeping up on me and my priorities are changing, less time and money spent on cars, more on looking to the future financially. I doubt I'll ever do the RS aircooled thing again, they're just so difficult to justify at their current price levels. Lots of very fond memories though, so not all bad ! !
SignalGruen said:
Great write up. I was sorely tempted by the one at Cameron last year, was the perfect spec for me but decided to persist with the 964 instead. They are lovely things to drive but for me have similar, albeit minor, drawbacks as the 996 GT3 namely seating too high and light steering. I still have one eye on the classifieds for a GT3 or Cayman R so may end up with one in the end.
Good to hear from you ! ! The seating position is a mystery, Porsche normally get this stuff spot on (though i have to say i find the Mk1 996 GT3 buckets pretty much the perfect seat and driving position) the stunning folding carbon buckets in the Cayman are just "wrong". But when we stripped the seat out at Fearnsport, you could see the base of the seat pan protrudes beneath the lowest part of the side mounts, so the base itself is clearly very thick compared with a Pole Position/SPG shell type seat.As I mentioned in my initial post, I think the runners will have to go to lower the seat a further 10-15mm. It'll make for a more solid installation and allow the seat height to be much closer to optimal. My guess is it will also align the driver's rollcentre with that of the car's better too.
The steering weight isn't the issue I thought it would be, we human beings are nothing if not adaptable, you very rapidly attune to the differing steering weight (as I did in my M3 CSL) it rapidly becomes a non-issue. Though with some stickier rubber, and trick suspension components, I suspect you'd be able to make it as weighty and feelsome as you want.
Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 12th May 10:36
Slippydiff said:
My understanding is the change to Mk2 996 GT3 six pots, requires the 997 S or PCCB 987 front uprights ? Though there's a company in the States that does adaptors to convert the standard 987 front upright spacing to the slightly wider bolt spacing of the 996 six pot calipers.
In all honesty I've researched the available increased disc size availablity, and think I have plan that'll utilise the standard calipers and work out cheaper than the Giro disc conversion whilst utilising floating items too.
Looking like I'll go with PFC 08 or 11 pads, they seem to be getting good reviews on Rennlist. RS29's are excellent, but a bit like PS2's, they're an old compound now, and do have their shortcomings, not least of all their cost....
Steering wheel recovered (minus dab of oppo red stripe) as when I bought it, it was the usual matted mass of sweat infused alcantara
Pads is always a hard choice, I might keep my R a bit longer than expected, 2018 GT3 seems an age away and my brakes are getting to worn.In all honesty I've researched the available increased disc size availablity, and think I have plan that'll utilise the standard calipers and work out cheaper than the Giro disc conversion whilst utilising floating items too.
Looking like I'll go with PFC 08 or 11 pads, they seem to be getting good reviews on Rennlist. RS29's are excellent, but a bit like PS2's, they're an old compound now, and do have their shortcomings, not least of all their cost....
Steering wheel recovered
(minus dab of oppo red stripe) as when I bought it, it was the usual matted mass of sweat infused alcantara You can read rennlist and make a choice, then a few posts later stop the choice agg (to many paid sponsers on rennlist) I know RS29's and like the bite, I would like to find a cheaper pad, but it's all unknown. Bite is nice to have on the smaller calipers, and the upsize of disk again will help heat and bite.
I don't want to sell the R this summer, my OPC buys my GT4 at the end of the summer and then my GT3 arrives OCT 2018 !!! = no summer 2018 car !!!
yes hubs or uprights are needed for GT3 calipers, and yes kits can be found without hubs, not easy though finding these so called kits, I guess it would be a pick up the phone time if that was the route.
what have you found rather than the 340mm gyro units ?
I did have all the parts numbers for 3rd party MC but just spilt a full mug of coffee all over my office desk !!! so that's just been 15 minutes of mess and grrr .The PCCB one is a good shout imo , larger than oem and not quite the GT3 size.
Air gets into the 987 calipers, this mushy feel can come and go and is worse on some cars then others !! every time I bleed mine I get air from the inner bleep nipple front left ! , and for a while the brakes feel good. no one ever found out why the 987 brakes are mushy and why some cars feel really s
t and other quite good. Again my spyder is very firm feel, both my R's not so, but I have been in some shockers (ie people never beeld system for 2 years) !!!brake booster, air leaks, air in ABS system. who the **** knows but the MC is def not the fix, it's a mask to give less travel for hotter brakes, where the pedal gets to close to the floor !!!! it fixes s
t all imo, just gives less travel, a harder to press pedal and imo harder to threshold brake to the shops ;-).I tend to just bleed more often and in the right order which I forget atm, take it for a blat, trigger ABS a few times and then re bleed again.
time consuming !!! I also use 2 people with the old press the pedal and hold it routine rather than these brake bleeding kits.
brakes then always feel good for about 2 weeks lol
I am interested in your findings regarding upsizing oem disks for less £ than gyro units.
Glad you're enjoying it H 
I've now got used to the brakes. Or should I say I've got over how they felt less solid than my (upgraded) 964 ones. For me (like Ian R and Andy Fagan) I like the firmer pedal that the GT3 m/c provides. I actually now think that because the R brakes are less brutal, I'm using them both less and smoother....last week at Oulton Park I managed laps that are now 4 seconds less than the best I ever achieved in the 964. Much of that time being made up on corner entry.
Regards
Mr Nosey
I've now got used to the brakes. Or should I say I've got over how they felt less solid than my (upgraded) 964 ones. For me (like Ian R and Andy Fagan) I like the firmer pedal that the GT3 m/c provides. I actually now think that because the R brakes are less brutal, I'm using them both less and smoother....last week at Oulton Park I managed laps that are now 4 seconds less than the best I ever achieved in the 964. Much of that time being made up on corner entry.
Regards
Mr Nosey
boxsey said:
Glad you're enjoying it H
I've now got used to the brakes. Or should I say I've got over how they felt less solid than my (upgraded) 964 ones. For me (like Ian R and Andy Fagan) I like the firmer pedal that the GT3 m/c provides. I actually now think that because the R brakes are less brutal, I'm using them both less and smoother....last week at Oulton Park I managed laps that are now 4 seconds less than the best I ever achieved in the 964. Much of that time being made up on corner entry.
Regards
Mr Nosey
playing to mid engine layouts strengths :-), it is hard for 911 drivers to convert esp for a quick blast, one has to know what the little R can do apex speed wise. 911 die hards I have been in cars with still drive them like 911's ! esp noticed this with GT4 owners.I've now got used to the brakes. Or should I say I've got over how they felt less solid than my (upgraded) 964 ones. For me (like Ian R and Andy Fagan) I like the firmer pedal that the GT3 m/c provides. I actually now think that because the R brakes are less brutal, I'm using them both less and smoother....last week at Oulton Park I managed laps that are now 4 seconds less than the best I ever achieved in the 964. Much of that time being made up on corner entry.
Regards
Mr Nosey
Nice write up and a lovely car, I recently bought a Gen 2 'S' and I am in the process of upgrading to a fast road/occasional track day spec, so have so far done the GT3 MC and braided lines, I'm a fan of it for the feel but appreciate it offers nothing more in terms of overall performance. I've gone for 997 GT3 front brake air scoops and for the rear will adapt a set of 997 Turbo rear scoops to try and aid cooling, not sure what to do on fluid yet but have bought some EBC yellow stuff pads but so far no one seems to rate them so we will see..
I'm generally very impressed with the Chassis, it has great poise and balance but is a bit floaty at high speeds, also aesthetically I think the car needs to be lower so Centre Gravity will fit Ohlins R+T suspension on my car next month and set up accordingly. Whilst I'm on my way to Spa next week to watch the Classic I will pop into Carnewal to have the exhaust modified to give it a bit more voice.
Engine mods I am not so sure about, I don't like the hesitant flat spots around 3k but in all honesty for the road I think the performance is about right, it's quick enough for now, for track I guess I will want more...
Sports seats are comfy for me, Bose and PCM3 are nice to have, I did a quick 330 mile round trip last Sunday night, mostly motorway and it was as relaxing as any other car apart from tyre noise, the last 30 mins cross country was a lot of fun and I doubt I would have enjoyed myself more in any of my previous 'all rounder' sports cars.
My 'S' with the above all done should stand me in at about £28k incl. purchase price (58,000 mile 2009 manual) ok it's not an 'R' but it should be 95 pct of one by the time it's done I hope. Like you another GT3 is just a pipe dream for a while but actually this will do just fine for now.
I'm generally very impressed with the Chassis, it has great poise and balance but is a bit floaty at high speeds, also aesthetically I think the car needs to be lower so Centre Gravity will fit Ohlins R+T suspension on my car next month and set up accordingly. Whilst I'm on my way to Spa next week to watch the Classic I will pop into Carnewal to have the exhaust modified to give it a bit more voice.
Engine mods I am not so sure about, I don't like the hesitant flat spots around 3k but in all honesty for the road I think the performance is about right, it's quick enough for now, for track I guess I will want more...
Sports seats are comfy for me, Bose and PCM3 are nice to have, I did a quick 330 mile round trip last Sunday night, mostly motorway and it was as relaxing as any other car apart from tyre noise, the last 30 mins cross country was a lot of fun and I doubt I would have enjoyed myself more in any of my previous 'all rounder' sports cars.
My 'S' with the above all done should stand me in at about £28k incl. purchase price (58,000 mile 2009 manual) ok it's not an 'R' but it should be 95 pct of one by the time it's done I hope. Like you another GT3 is just a pipe dream for a while but actually this will do just fine for now.
Yes the one thing I would say I have noticed are the brakes are a bit mushy but they do work to a degree when used but coming from 996 GT3 Mk 2 last I certainly noticed a huge difference.
On my MK1 GT3 not so much I found those lacking also.
Apart from that I think the R is a great car for under 50k when you look at other options of models of Porsche's it looks great value.
Recently had a spirted drive over a weekend with some capable Porsches the R was never once lacking people even commented on how well it goes and handles flat.
Market wise they seem sensative to mileage and certain specs.
No disrespect to pdk R owners iam sure they are just as good but the manual seems to sell faster.
Along with other high on the list option wants for a driver's car are Buckets, Spyder Wheels.PSE .
Man box, Sport Chrono I gather not so much on a manual but nice to have neither the less.
Mine does have A/C and a Radio .
When I was looking I only wanted 6 extras I found mine it had five so not bad after all it's a fun sports car.
Enjoy your CRs all.
On my MK1 GT3 not so much I found those lacking also.
Apart from that I think the R is a great car for under 50k when you look at other options of models of Porsche's it looks great value.
Recently had a spirted drive over a weekend with some capable Porsches the R was never once lacking people even commented on how well it goes and handles flat.
Market wise they seem sensative to mileage and certain specs.
No disrespect to pdk R owners iam sure they are just as good but the manual seems to sell faster.
Along with other high on the list option wants for a driver's car are Buckets, Spyder Wheels.PSE .
Man box, Sport Chrono I gather not so much on a manual but nice to have neither the less.
Mine does have A/C and a Radio .
When I was looking I only wanted 6 extras I found mine it had five so not bad after all it's a fun sports car.
Enjoy your CRs all.
TheRocket said:
Nice write up and a lovely car, I recently bought a Gen 2 'S' and I am in the process of upgrading to a fast road/occasional track day spec, so have so far done the GT3 MC and braided lines, I'm a fan of it for the feel but appreciate it offers nothing more in terms of overall performance. I've gone for 997 GT3 front brake air scoops and for the rear will adapt a set of 997 Turbo rear scoops to try and aid cooling, not sure what to do on fluid yet but have bought some EBC yellow stuff pads but so far no one seems to rate them so we will see..
I'm generally very impressed with the Chassis, it has great poise and balance but is a bit floaty at high speeds, also aesthetically I think the car needs to be lower so Centre Gravity will fit Ohlins R+T suspension on my car next month and set up accordingly. Whilst I'm on my way to Spa next week to watch the Classic I will pop into Carnewal to have the exhaust modified to give it a bit more voice.
Engine mods I am not so sure about, I don't like the hesitant flat spots around 3k but in all honesty for the road I think the performance is about right, it's quick enough for now, for track I guess I will want more...
Sports seats are comfy for me, Bose and PCM3 are nice to have, I did a quick 330 mile round trip last Sunday night, mostly motorway and it was as relaxing as any other car apart from tyre noise, the last 30 mins cross country was a lot of fun and I doubt I would have enjoyed myself more in any of my previous 'all rounder' sports cars.
My 'S' with the above all done should stand me in at about £28k incl. purchase price (58,000 mile 2009 manual) ok it's not an 'R' but it should be 95 pct of one by the time it's done I hope. Like you another GT3 is just a pipe dream for a while but actually this will do just fine for now.
EBC pads seem to work for some and not for others. Not sure if it's a bedding thing or useage and temperature. I'm generally very impressed with the Chassis, it has great poise and balance but is a bit floaty at high speeds, also aesthetically I think the car needs to be lower so Centre Gravity will fit Ohlins R+T suspension on my car next month and set up accordingly. Whilst I'm on my way to Spa next week to watch the Classic I will pop into Carnewal to have the exhaust modified to give it a bit more voice.
Engine mods I am not so sure about, I don't like the hesitant flat spots around 3k but in all honesty for the road I think the performance is about right, it's quick enough for now, for track I guess I will want more...
Sports seats are comfy for me, Bose and PCM3 are nice to have, I did a quick 330 mile round trip last Sunday night, mostly motorway and it was as relaxing as any other car apart from tyre noise, the last 30 mins cross country was a lot of fun and I doubt I would have enjoyed myself more in any of my previous 'all rounder' sports cars.
My 'S' with the above all done should stand me in at about £28k incl. purchase price (58,000 mile 2009 manual) ok it's not an 'R' but it should be 95 pct of one by the time it's done I hope. Like you another GT3 is just a pipe dream for a while but actually this will do just fine for now.
I've experimented with Ferodo, Brembo and other stuff over the years, and always find myself back at the Pagid catalogue. They're good but expensive. The PFC 08 and 11's aren't cheap, but they're still a big chunk cheaper than RS29's and 19's.
Where are you based ? I ask as the Ohlins R&T option is high on my list and I'd like to witness how they perform on the 987 chassis.
Pretty sure the brakes will be properly sortable utilising the standard calipers, GT3 M/C, decent fluid and larger floating discs, and I'll probably need braided lines to replace the existing hardlines between the caliper and strut/upright.
boxsey said:
Glad you're enjoying it H
I've now got used to the brakes. Or should I say I've got over how they felt less solid than my (upgraded) 964 ones. For me (like Ian R and Andy Fagan) I like the firmer pedal that the GT3 m/c provides. I actually now think that because the R brakes are less brutal, I'm using them both less and smoother....last week at Oulton Park I managed laps that are now 4 seconds less than the best I ever achieved in the 964. Much of that time being made up on corner entry.
Regards
Mr Nosey
Dear Mr Nosey ....I've now got used to the brakes. Or should I say I've got over how they felt less solid than my (upgraded) 964 ones. For me (like Ian R and Andy Fagan) I like the firmer pedal that the GT3 m/c provides. I actually now think that because the R brakes are less brutal, I'm using them both less and smoother....last week at Oulton Park I managed laps that are now 4 seconds less than the best I ever achieved in the 964. Much of that time being made up on corner entry.
Regards
Mr Nosey
Hi Steve, hope you're well ? As I've rapidly come to realise, the handling dynamics and balance are VERY different to any 911 I've driven. Put bluntly there's far less reliance on the brakes.
Having looked at the Cayman's brake specs, it's probably just as well ! !
A 1992 964 RS had 260hp weighed what ? 1230kg ? yet had 330mm x 32mm (iirc) front discs along with 299mm X 28/30mm rear discs.
The Cayman meanwhile has 318 X 28mm front discs and 70hp more ! !
So either the RS was well over braked (very likely) or the Cayman is somewhat underbraked (equally likely) ...
But furthermore, when you compare the front pad surface area it's approx only 2/3 that of the pads in the Mk 1 996 GT3/Turbo front calipers.
It'd be nice to use the MK 1 996 GT3/Turbo/997 S 4 pot front calipers with their bigger pad area, as they're not expensive and available second hand, but the securing bolt spacing is the same as the 996/PCCB 6 pots. So no joy there.
Phooey said:
WTF!! This thread has genuinely bought a tear to me eye 
Hopefully joy rather than pain TheRocket said:
I'm in North Essex, car should have the Ohlins on it by end June I hope, I will probably try and tie in picking it up from Centre Gravity with a trip to North Wales straight after as I'll be half way there, if any of that helps or is convenient you are welcome to try it.
Sounds great, and having lived in N.Wales between 2003-9 I can show you the best of the roads up there I'm less than an hour from CG and if preferred have excellent roads for testing the Ohlins less than 45 mins from my front door...
Slippydiff said:
Sounds great, and having lived in N.Wales between 2003-9 I can show you the best of the roads up there
I'm less than an hour from CG and if preferred have excellent roads for testing the Ohlins less than 45 mins from my front door...
Sounds like a plan, I'll let you know closer to the time... I'm less than an hour from CG and if preferred have excellent roads for testing the Ohlins less than 45 mins from my front door...
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