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[pete.g]

Porsche911R said:

mk5 and 6 golfs were st also lol

I am hot hatch fan, but I got out of them when nothing could match the Clio Trophy I had,

All Hot hatch's went all a bit to st, ie the mk5 and 6 golfs !!! along with Renult, Ford etc
Audi are a bit poor for the driver, I just Sold my S1 only had it 2 months, more a milfs car.

but the new bread of Hatch is king again and I am back In a Hot hatch, all be it a Golf ClubSport.

It has 340MM brakes, a real diff, Recaro buckets, better build, better steering feel, etc etc. prob laps quicker than any non GT 981.

you cannot really put a mk5 golf vs a 981 GTS, but you can a Golf Clubsport and it's still 1/2 the price.

Der Groschen ist gefallen - YOU have bought Mk7 Clubsport and now it's the hot hatch king.

Did you get a Clubsport S or the Edition 40 lookalike - if it's the former your point about lap times might have some credence - if it's the latter I'm afraid you are deluded.

I have a Cayman GTS; it has around 230hp/tonne, a Clubsport has around 185, though for 10 seconds at a time this can rise to just over 200. 0-60 times are equally revealing: 4.8s for a CGTS, 5.9s for a Golf Clubsport. That's before you start to weigh up FWD with a diff versus RWD.

You've bought a nice car, according to magazine reviews and lap times there are quicker, better handling hot hatches but they may not have the same perceived quality as the Golf so you've made a good choice. The Cupra Sub 8 has 370mm brakes and 280hp all the time, with no gimmicky 10 sec overboost, and as the name suggests, a sub 8 minute lap of the 'Ring. Possibly a better choice for the keen driver, but SEAT ranks below VW in the badge snobbery stakes.

Saying its better than all Caymans bar a GT4 is at best a highly subjective and wholly unsupported view.

[PhantomPH]

pete.g said:

Der Groschen ist gefallen - YOU have bought Mk7 Clubsport and now it's the hot hatch king.

[JayK12]

pete.g said:

Porsche911R said:

mk5 and 6 golfs were st also lol

I am hot hatch fan, but I got out of them when nothing could match the Clio Trophy I had,

All Hot hatch's went all a bit to st, ie the mk5 and 6 golfs !!! along with Renult, Ford etc
Audi are a bit poor for the driver, I just Sold my S1 only had it 2 months, more a milfs car.

but the new bread of Hatch is king again and I am back In a Hot hatch, all be it a Golf ClubSport.

It has 340MM brakes, a real diff, Recaro buckets, better build, better steering feel, etc etc. prob laps quicker than any non GT 981.

you cannot really put a mk5 golf vs a 981 GTS, but you can a Golf Clubsport and it's still 1/2 the price.

Der Groschen ist gefallen - YOU have bought Mk7 Clubsport and now it's the hot hatch king.

Did you get a Clubsport S or the Edition 40 lookalike - if it's the former your point about lap times might have some credence - if it's the latter I'm afraid you are deluded.

I have a Cayman GTS; it has around 230hp/tonne, a Clubsport has around 185, though for 10 seconds at a time this can rise to just over 200. 0-60 times are equally revealing: 4.8s for a CGTS, 5.9s for a Golf Clubsport. That's before you start to weigh up FWD with a diff versus RWD.

You've bought a nice car, according to magazine reviews and lap times there are quicker, better handling hot hatches but they may not have the same perceived quality as the Golf so you've made a good choice. The Cupra Sub 8 has 370mm brakes and 280hp all the time, with no gimmicky 10 sec overboost, and as the name suggests, a sub 8 minute lap of the 'Ring. Possibly a better choice for the keen driver, but SEAT ranks below VW in the badge snobbery stakes.

Saying its better than all Caymans bar a GT4 is at best a highly subjective and wholly unsupported view.

David gets a little excited sometimes. Honda have been doing this for years. Proper engines, good chassis, big brembo brakes, recaro's, LSD, and this was in 2001, alot of us back then just put a supercharger on and ran 260 - 300hp and rev'd out to 8800rpm, those were proper hot hatch days, this new bread has alot of boring and dull engines. Renault's were not to bad either, but the engines again were dull.

Thing with FWD cars is they are easy to drive on the limit, hence as David is only taking Craners at 100mph in his GT4, this will help him go faster as he can turn in and keep it pinned. lol

[Slippydiff]

JayK12 said:

this new bread has alot of boring and dull engines. Renault's were not to bad either, but the engines again were dull.

Yep, they'e not cheap either, they cost a lot of dough.

[PhantomPH]

I'd also question the build quality of the hotter of the hot hatches. I know a lad with a Focus RS and bits are falling off the thing (literally!). Not even 6 months old yet.

Contrasting that, I also know someone who has an A45 AMG and it's like a tank. A very very fast tank.

[v8ksn]

Slippydiff said:

JayK12 said:

this new bread has alot of boring and dull engines. Renault's were not to bad either, but the engines again were dull.

Yep, they'e not cheap either, they cost a lot of dough.

[Porsche911R]

PhantomPH said:

pete.g said:

Der Groschen ist gefallen - YOU have bought Mk7 Clubsport and now it's the hot hatch king.

one has to read my quote not post fake quotes :-)

I said "the new bread of Hatch are king again " after a crap spell of hot hatch's the new breed with Honda, Seats, Ford , VW, Merc are all back on the game again. it's the hot hatch wars all over again. Honda winning but boy that's an ugly chaved up thing.

I did NOT say the Clubsport was king.

what I will say is the build and components are at a very high level in the CS. and while I did not get the CSS, there is not much in it, the CS came 1st and it's the 1st Golf not to have lift ;-) I have already hacked the CPU and took off the temp over boost and torque limits. I'll fit the CSS camber links to get the same CSS camber set up, and bar that they are the same car give or take. the CSS came second so the CS40th is not a look a like it came 1st :-p

I needed a 4 seater car as my other 3 are all 2 seaters and while I would have liked the CSS, it was a none starter to have another 2 seater and who paids £40k when you can buy the same car for £27k !! and a few £££ makes the CS into better than CSS spec.

But I am VERY hard to impress and the CS does impress me, I'll vote with my money as always hence the S1 lasting 2 months and a CS arriving.
it's already tweaked within 2 days and I do love the thing.

If I fit cup 2's you guys better watch out on the next track day if I bring that and not the GT4 lol it's a hooning machine.

But more important IT'S FUN

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 25th May 16:11

[Desert Dragon]

Porsche911R said:

PhantomPH said:

pete.g said:

Der Groschen ist gefallen - YOU have bought Mk7 Clubsport and now it's the hot hatch king.

one has to read my quote not post fake quotes :-)

I said "the new bread of Hatch are king again " after a crap spell of hot hatch's the new breed with Honda, Seats, Ford , VW, Merc are all back on the game again. it's the hot hatch wars all over again. Honda winning but boy that's an ugly chaved up thing.

I did NOT say the Clubsport was king.

what I will say is the build and components are at a very high level in the CS. and while I did not get the CSS, there is not much in it, the CS came 1st and it's the 1st Golf not to have lift ;-) I have already hacked the CPU and took off the temp over boost and torque limits. I'll fit the CSS camber links to get the same CSS camber set up, and bar that they are the same car give or take. the CSS came second so the CS40th is not a look a like it came 1st :-p

I needed a 4 seater car as my other 3 are all 2 seaters and while I would have liked the CSS, it was a none starter to have another 2 seater and who paids £40k when you can buy the same car for £27k !! and a few £££ makes the CS into better than CSS spec.

But I am VERY hard to impress and the CS does impress me, I'll vote with my money as always hence the S1 lasting 2 months and a CS arriving.
it's already tweaked within 2 days and I do love the thing.

If I fit cup 2's you guys better watch out on the next track day if I bring that and not the GT4 lol it's a hooning machine.

But more important IT'S FUN

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 25th May 16:11

I have had CSS and still have GTI PP 5dr DSG. My own view of the CSS was that yes whilst it was rapid and made some nice engineered in noise it didn't live up to the hype. The steering feel is virtually non existent in my view. Yes there's occasional feedback through the steering wheel but its an algorithm and the tug on the wheel is totally disproportionate to the surface you're running over. The GTI PP whilst it has even less feel for day to day driving I find a bit nicer although SWMBO use it and loves it (I personally do not like it so much). The steering feel again is non existent, throttle response poor, DSG can occasionally feel clumsy but as a cheap reasonably economical practical car for shopping trips and school runs it does its job well. The guy that bought my CSS traded in a GT3!

You'll struggle to make a ClubSport a CSS whatever you do. The CSS has an aluminium subframe and is a very light car by modern standards. Pretty sure the brakes are better too straight out of the box and that its engine has forged internals and runs bigger turbo so for hammering around a track it can take a fair bit of punishment. You actually get a lot more in the CSS than people realise. All these Mk 7 GTI variants run much more power than quoted too. CSS is circa 330 PS and GTI PP is closer to 280 PS. They're all rapid including the CS which is probably running a constant 300 PS the overboots is just marketing to protect the R. Not quick so much in a straight line but down twisty my God they're WRC rally car quick nowadays. Ringing the CSS out in 4th, 5th and 6th the car just kept pulling and pulling like the starship enterprise - the confidence the cars gives is ridiculous but there in lies the problem for me its all too easy. Enjoy your CS. A few pics

[Desert Dragon]

Forgot to mention journos cooing about lovely gearbox in CSS. It was a bit vague and imprecise in my view! throttle response again left a lot to be desired too.

[pete.g]

Out of curiosity I popped into the local VW dealer on the way home - they have a Golf CS in stock.

It does look well; their one was triple black, so a bit gangsta for me, but quite imposing.

The Recaro chairs look the part too - that's the correct term for non bucket seats I believe.

It was £33k with 6k miles on the clock - too much for what you're getting.




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Edited by pete.g on Thursday 25th May 20:59

No idea why this is upside down, but you get the idea.

Edited by pete.g on Thursday 25th May 21:00

[bcr5784]

Porsche911R said:

mk5 and 6 golfs were st also lol

I am hot hatch fan, but I got out of them when nothing could match the Clio Trophy I had,

.

Close call with the 205/309Gti 1.9 - but my favourite hot hatch of recent times.

The latest Foci, Golfs etc may be great cars but they are pretty VAST by comparison.

[LiamH66]

I was an Astra fan back in the days of the Mk2 16V, (and I mainly had 8V cars) but in my deepest heart I knew the 16V Golf was much better. Properly sorted Mk1 Golf with about 115bhp at the wheels (and it was 8V) made me realise there probably only ever was one hot hatch to write home about, and that would have been in '94 or '95 in a late 70s car.

Did they get better? Not that I have noticed, but that might be my own failing. Couldn't love the Peugot engines, but had use of a 405 MI16 for a while, and the handling was pretty good, engine less so. Brakes? Weird!

The 309 GTI was actually pretty epic to drive - shame the 16V never made it to RHD because they handled well. I would struggle to get very maudlin about hot hatches getting bigger - few of them were terribly good at the time, less so now if you take the rose tinted specs off. Clio Williams deserves a mention, they were more than OK too. 205 GTi in either format never did it for me.

[LiamH66]

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Whatever way up you put it, they were a proper hot hatch.

Liam