How to Drive a 2.7 RS
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Saw this online last night....slightly different take on the myriad online content. I enjoyed it but can't comment on the technicals as I've never driven any 70's Porsche let alone an RS.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/how-driv...
As Dickie Meaden replies in the comments below the vid it's not the quickest way to drive it.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/how-driv...
As Dickie Meaden replies in the comments below the vid it's not the quickest way to drive it.
Its a lovely film of a lovely car being driven by a decent driver. Definately one way to rotate a 911 but as said in the comments, it's not the quickest or smoothest - but then to be fair, neither were promised. Nice viewing though
Fair play to Mr Meaden and Motorsport for making it and respect to him for sharing that particular technique.
Fair play to Mr Meaden and Motorsport for making it and respect to him for sharing that particular technique.
watercooled said:
Couldn't it be set up so that the inner wheel does not lift off the ground in the corners?
Most of the early cars do that, my torsion bar 3.2 1984 used to do it a lot and that had a race set up copied from a cup winning car, I have seen 964's do it. I don't think it slows it down as that tyre isn't doing much at that point and would be the least loaded in any setup.Having come from a Lotus background and Nobles and only liking Mid engine cars on the whole, I cannot say the way he drives that appeals much.
throw in it with a load of lift off and an aggressive wheel, hope for the best and floor it out. meh over rated ;-)
Just looks like hassle and a way to kill tyres to me. each to there own I guess. My driving style is pinpoint, direct eye though a needle style from my Lotus background. and that's held me in good sted for the Caymans and Boxsters I have ran on track.
people say mid engine is easy, maybe at 80% but at 100% mid engine is far harder if the car lets go and you need to drive with the upmost precision.
hence I like my cars to be pointy and do what I tell them to do to allow me to take them to the 100% level of grip. yes one can goto 110% but you need reactions like a cat, again some thing I have trained my self even at 48 to have very good reaction times.
At least he backs up what I say about steering on a 911 it's too light ! and more weight over the front helps :-) been saying that for as long as I can remember...
driving round an understeering car with lift off, is that a skill to learn or just a hassle to get the car round the bend ?
I guess you either love the 911 like he says or don't see the point. I'll either take a front engine RWD car and drift the nuts off it, or mid engine thanks.
Driving round a design flaw, well I guess it's good pub talk ;-p and makes you a man (so I am told)
throw in it with a load of lift off and an aggressive wheel, hope for the best and floor it out. meh over rated ;-)
Just looks like hassle and a way to kill tyres to me. each to there own I guess. My driving style is pinpoint, direct eye though a needle style from my Lotus background. and that's held me in good sted for the Caymans and Boxsters I have ran on track.
people say mid engine is easy, maybe at 80% but at 100% mid engine is far harder if the car lets go and you need to drive with the upmost precision.
hence I like my cars to be pointy and do what I tell them to do to allow me to take them to the 100% level of grip. yes one can goto 110% but you need reactions like a cat, again some thing I have trained my self even at 48 to have very good reaction times.
At least he backs up what I say about steering on a 911 it's too light ! and more weight over the front helps :-) been saying that for as long as I can remember...
driving round an understeering car with lift off, is that a skill to learn or just a hassle to get the car round the bend ?
I guess you either love the 911 like he says or don't see the point. I'll either take a front engine RWD car and drift the nuts off it, or mid engine thanks.
Driving round a design flaw, well I guess it's good pub talk ;-p and makes you a man (so I am told)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 20th September 19:00
Driving a early 911rsr/group 4 with a differance,last run car runs better!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2T29Y35dA&feat...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2T29Y35dA&feat...
With the greatest respect to Dickie Meadon. He does not have a clue. To be quick in an old school 911 the last thing you want to do is chuck it into a corner. Whilst accomplished in his Lotus Cortina it is a very different animal. Both require time to learn to be quick and you rotate the cars in different ways. With the 911 you learn to use the weight, traction out of the corner to your advantage. Now I have had to approach this from a different angle. I know how to drive an old 911 quickly and I had to adjust my style to drive an old front engined rear wheel drive car quickly. Very different cars but equally rewarding once you get your head around it. David you are just talking bolleox
Porsche911R said:
I find 911 drivers don't make good Cayman Drivers :-) they seem scared o/////////////////////////////////////////////////////f corner speed lol
Different strokes for different folks. After the 964 RS, 993 RS and Mk 1 996 GT3 and 996 GT2, I went down the CSL route and had to completely re learn my driving style, the CSL was ultimately no quicker than the Mk1 GT3, but it was was way better balanced and carried more corner speed, but ..... it lacked traction, and required a deft right foot to maximise its limited traction. The GT3 on the other hand had no such traction issues, so what it may have lost in mid corner speed, it gained back in corner exit speed. I loved driving both, but the CSL was a massive wake up call after 6-7 years of various 911's.My V10 M6 took what the CSL had (a perfectly balanced chassis) and added a huge dollop of NA power to it, the resultant combination was pretty much perfect (if fragile and unreliable)
Wringing all the performance from M6's engine at 8000rpm + whilst making the most of its beautifully balanced chassis (hopeless brakes mind) was motoring nirvana for me.
Porsche911R said:
what car have you bought after the R sale btw ?
any thing exciting, project ? or just waiting for winter to do it's thing.
I think the Cayman made me realise (even more than previously) that for me it's not all about the speed. any thing exciting, project ? or just waiting for winter to do it's thing.
I don't expect to be back in the market anytime soon, but when I do return it'll probably be in an aircooled car, either a 964 RS rep with 350+ hp or a 993 with close to 400hp.
Though I'd like a properly fettled and suspended Mk 1 996 GT3 in the fleet too.
Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 21st September 12:48
Some of you guys don't know your tit from your elbow when you talk he has to be smooth. As cmoose said he is doing that for the internet crowd, I'm surprised after all these years you still not have cottened onto what grabs views and thumbs ups ....
As Cmoose said though he did not have to drive it that way, so whoever thought that was a good idea was wrong
If he wanted to be smooth, if in a race, he would be. He's probably got more hours behind the wheel or more Porsche types than you lot have put together I would guess.Put up your own video with similar car, smooth speed v rough spanking to see dynamic traits. Go now and do it so we can compare and contrast. Or just send in a picture of your keyboard if that is easier......
Interestingly Jethro Bov tweeted that it would have been a lot different with the original tyres on rather than modern rubber ....
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If he wanted to be smooth, if in a race, he would be. He's probably got more hours behind the wheel or more Porsche types than you lot have put together I would guess.Put up your own video with similar car, smooth speed v rough spanking to see dynamic traits. Go now and do it so we can compare and contrast. Or just send in a picture of your keyboard if that is easier......
Interestingly Jethro Bov tweeted that it would have been a lot different with the original tyres on rather than modern rubber ....
Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 21st September 15:22
Yellow491 said:
Driving a early 911rsr/group 4 with a differance,last run car runs better!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2T29Y35dA&feat...
Nice. What is the gearbox?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2T29Y35dA&feat...
Yellow491 said:
Driving a early 911rsr/group 4 with a differance,last run car runs better!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2T29Y35dA&feat...
Brilliant!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2T29Y35dA&feat...
Yellow491 said:
Driving a early 911rsr/group 4 with a differance,last run car runs better!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2T29Y35dA&feat...
brilliant - I remember doing Wiscombe in a Caterham scholarship series almost 20 years ago, alas no where near that fast. proper stuff. people do spout shttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2T29Y35dA&feat...
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