GT3 for everyone......
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GT3 Touring just announced. No limited production. Put your name down and you'll get one. The end of the restricted availability. See Autocar for details.
Flicked straight to Pistonheads to hear how this was exactly what we all wanted.............nothing......that this will bring GT3 values down into the normal owner accessibility......nothing.......well done Porsche you've listen to our bleats.......nothing...
Or have I missed something.
Oh yes, it starts at £112K so everyone is now in, no mark up, no sell on premium, just a drivers car, we 'can all afford' (note; half the price of the average UK house price and 4 x the average UK salary). Worth 52% of purchase price after 3 years, but surely it's worth it for all that the sitting in a traffic jam on the M25.......
Is this the end of Pistonheads Porsche Forum as we know it.........
So, tell me I'm wrong?
AaS (;-)
Flicked straight to Pistonheads to hear how this was exactly what we all wanted.............nothing......that this will bring GT3 values down into the normal owner accessibility......nothing.......well done Porsche you've listen to our bleats.......nothing...
Or have I missed something.
Oh yes, it starts at £112K so everyone is now in, no mark up, no sell on premium, just a drivers car, we 'can all afford' (note; half the price of the average UK house price and 4 x the average UK salary). Worth 52% of purchase price after 3 years, but surely it's worth it for all that the sitting in a traffic jam on the M25.......
Is this the end of Pistonheads Porsche Forum as we know it.........
So, tell me I'm wrong?
AaS (;-)
allatsea said:
Wrong information or just wrong?
both :-)the GT3 touring is a no cost option pack available from Dec build cars if you already have a GT3 allocation.
So that = rare as **** as 1/2 the cars are built, the other 3/4 won't spec it, so there might be, on a good day 40 UK GT3 Tourings sold in total lol
expect those to be £180k 2nd hand I guess.
GT3cs said:
I haven't worked out if your just being sarcastic or really don't know ......
The way the article reads, its GT3 for all.; the way that is articulated above it's 'as you were'.....I wasn't being funny. I read it and thought that Porsche had finally decided that enough was enough. Read it and you'll see.
AaS
Porsche911R said:
both :-)
the GT3 touring is a no cost option pack available from Dec build cars if you already have a GT3 allocation.
So that = rare as **** as 1/2 the cars are built, the other 3/4 won't spec it, so there might be, on a good day 40 UK GT3 Tourings sold in total lol
expect those to be £180k 2nd hand I guess.
Having just got the saving account to £111K, another £69K seems an age away.......the GT3 touring is a no cost option pack available from Dec build cars if you already have a GT3 allocation.
So that = rare as **** as 1/2 the cars are built, the other 3/4 won't spec it, so there might be, on a good day 40 UK GT3 Tourings sold in total lol
expect those to be £180k 2nd hand I guess.
AaS
allatsea said:
GT3cs said:
I haven't worked out if your just being sarcastic or really don't know ......
The way the article reads, its GT3 for all.; the way that is articulated above it's 'as you were'.....I wasn't being funny. I read it and thought that Porsche had finally decided that enough was enough. Read it and you'll see.
AaS
I don't quite understand why they bothered . All the cars were sold already ...
Porsche GT cars are limited by the production capacity in Zuffenhausen. They have a limited time to produce the latest and greatest until the next one comes along, be that a GT3, GT3RS, GT4, GT2RS or whatever. The only simple way to increase supply of these halo cars would be to expand the capacity at Zuffenhausen or switch production to another site.
The question is - why would Porsche want to do that? The GT car division creates an exclusivity for the Porsche brand which trickles down to the mainstream Macans and Cayennes which generate huge amounts of cash for the company. If the GT products were produced in unlimited numbers no doubt Porsche could they sell two or three times as many but would they be desirable? Would Porsche still have people banging on their doors begging to be allowed to give them relatively huge amounts of cash with never a request for a discount.
Does the list price only sales of GT cars trickle down to mainstream models? You can get a huge discount on a Merc which competes with a Panamera, Cayenne or Macan but only a small discount on the Porsche. I would say that Porsche have got it right in their business model which upsets a few but maintains value for many while ensuring maximum profits for themselves.
The new policy to spread allocations more widely also increases the fan base for the halo cars and gives more people the feeling they have a chance of getting one rather than the old system which was so widely criticised and open to abuse which has been well documented elsewhere.
Luca di Montezemolo deliberately reduced the production numbers at Ferrari to 7000 per year to preserve exclusivity and sell more licensed products such as caps and Tshirts. Only now that he has gone will Ferrari be increasing production to 9000 per year by 2019.
It's a first world problem which Porsche appear to be handling rather well. All in my honest opinion obviously! Others may well disagree.
The question is - why would Porsche want to do that? The GT car division creates an exclusivity for the Porsche brand which trickles down to the mainstream Macans and Cayennes which generate huge amounts of cash for the company. If the GT products were produced in unlimited numbers no doubt Porsche could they sell two or three times as many but would they be desirable? Would Porsche still have people banging on their doors begging to be allowed to give them relatively huge amounts of cash with never a request for a discount.
Does the list price only sales of GT cars trickle down to mainstream models? You can get a huge discount on a Merc which competes with a Panamera, Cayenne or Macan but only a small discount on the Porsche. I would say that Porsche have got it right in their business model which upsets a few but maintains value for many while ensuring maximum profits for themselves.
The new policy to spread allocations more widely also increases the fan base for the halo cars and gives more people the feeling they have a chance of getting one rather than the old system which was so widely criticised and open to abuse which has been well documented elsewhere.
Luca di Montezemolo deliberately reduced the production numbers at Ferrari to 7000 per year to preserve exclusivity and sell more licensed products such as caps and Tshirts. Only now that he has gone will Ferrari be increasing production to 9000 per year by 2019.
It's a first world problem which Porsche appear to be handling rather well. All in my honest opinion obviously! Others may well disagree.
BubblesNW said:
...lots of interesting stuff...
The 'issue' (if thats what we want to call it) is that for most die-hard Porsche fans,(me included) Porsche is a company that makes sports cars first and foremost. I was a fan for many years before I owned one and during 90% of that time, they only made 2 door sports cars.The die-hards now grudgingly accept the fact that Porsche needs to sell Cayennes and Macans in order to remain profitable. Hey, if thats what they need to do in order to make more lovely sports cars then all power to them.
The 'issue' is that the true sports cars are now only available to those who spend a shed-load of money on the other more profitable cars that Porsche make.
Its almost like Porsche are saying to all those true sports car fans 'Thanks for buying our cars for years and years but we dont need you now, these people over here give us all we need'
My 2p's worth... I run a business, not large by any stretch, Im relatively new to buying Porsche, but i do want to own their halo cars in due course, i have to say that i am having to buy there other models to start a profile with them, keeping a close relationship with them also help massively, saying ive bought a few cars off them over the years, now i want a 991 GT3.2, not going to cut it IMO, in my business repeat short business is king, i would always give preference to someone that is buying all the time over someone that i dont hear from from year to year.
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