The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

[Porsche911R]

lemmingjames said:

I still think 20/30bhp extra is a tall claim on a simple remap, has anyone independently verified these claims? Plus Jens is 2k minimum for 20bhp

I think you have to look past the numbers as there is a lot more to a map than a peak BHP gain , the dips due to Co2 testing are crazy in all new cars, to remove that alone is worth it imo.

you tried to catch me out with the £900 figure, now you are making up st to try and prove me wrong again, just leave it, I gave you a chance and you called me a flipper , now I reply again with what you asked for and again you want to make some thing of it.

all the remaps will retune the detune to the best it can be or there about, be it 405bhp or what ever, if you want more torque lower down you need the manifolds and if you want more peak revs you need more air in so the GT3 TB, it's clear doing all that gives you 435BHP and a very nice graph plot.

Again if some one just wants to retune the detune on the Porsche map you can for £900 as I stated at home with your laptop and have an org file to put back on if you so wish. And again any gain is 10bhp more on the 981 Spyder , so even at 405 you get 30 bhp.

FVB to bring in a 4th and under £1k and they claim 412HP, you also have evomsit as well.

https://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD98161850MG/software-u...

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 21st February 12:18

[gtsralph]

One of the characteristics that early modifiers of 981 series cars noticed was that the ECU reduced the throttle opening % over 4k revs. A copy of data from a dyno run shows this..



As I recall the GTS tune (Option Code IX50) has less restrictive throttle 'control'

Power is easily managed through ECU maps. How much a third party tune can give before hardware changes depends on what the starting 'control' level is.

[lemmingjames]

Porsche911R said:

I think you have to look past the numbers as there is a lot more to a map than a peak BHP gain , the dips due to Co2 testing are crazy in all new cars, to remove that alone is worth it imo.

you tried to catch me out with the £900 figure, now you are making up st to try and prove me wrong again, just leave it, I gave you a chance and you called me a flipper , now I reply again with what you asked for and again you want to make some thing of it.

all the remaps will retune the detune to the best it can be or there about, be it 405bhp or what ever, if you want more torque lower down you need the manifolds and if you want more peak revs you need more air in so the GT3 TB, it's clear doing all that gives you 435BHP and a very nice graph plot.

Again if some one just wants to retune the detune on the Porsche map you can for £900 as I stated at home with your laptop and have an org file to put back on if you so wish. And again any gain is 10bhp more on the 981 Spyder , so even at 405 you get 30 bhp.

FVB to bring in a 4th and under £1k and they claim 412HP, you also have evomsit as well.

https://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD98161850MG/software-u...

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 21st February 12:18

not all posts are out to get you dude so calm down. if you looked at the thread without the rabid froth building before your eyes, youd have noticed that other people are talking about modifying their GT4's as they doubt theyll get the latest and greatest so they might be interested in the information.

Im not used to tuning restricted engines (ok all engines are restricted for road use but not restricted restricted like the GT4), so hearing that someone is offering 30bhp increase for £900 outlay (dont forget shipping and tax, so itll be more than the £931), has picqued my interest, especially when the tuner offers my car the same BHP upgrade when experience has taught me otherwise. So yes, im afraid i dont believe what a company says until ive seen independent tests carried out - do you have a link to those? Look at the st DMS get over there remap figures

I didnt call you a flipper above either, i may have enquired in the past if youd flip the GT3 for the latest lotus as recently you started a topic proclaiming it to be better than the GT3 as a drivers car and people would be nuts to be a GT3, yet here you are buying a GT3

So got a link to these independent tests?

[DuncGTS]

We all know Porsche is having to run the GT3 out as quick as possible due to the new rules coming in and that they carnt sell them in 2019, so does that mean messing about with the 4L engine returning it and making it pass the new regs for the new GT4 worth it ?
Or just put something else in that will do the job, be it 4 or 6 turbo.
Carnt see the old engine being messed with as they don't use it any more and again would need to pass all the new regs ECT.

Time will tell as like I said already, who is to say we will get a new GT4 road car and not a new high performance Cayman R or what ever they want to call it, but having driven a new 911 gts the flat 6 twin turbo engine is very nice and an engine like that with just 420 bhp and all that torque would be massively faster than the old GT4 and easy to tune up

[GT4RS]

I have a 991.2 4s with the new turbo engine I can tell you it’s a very very good engine. If they put that engine in the new 718 gt4 it will be one hell of a car.

[Dr S]

Porsche911R said:

the issue with cheaper cars being NA and high CO2 is the £2k tax on a £70k car !

this puts people off owning them as toys.

2k tax on a 70k car sounds like a minor issue to me...

[GameofCars]

No real 'chatter' from my OPC about reveal of next GT4 & with factory closure I doubt we'll see anything at Geneva.

[Porsche911R]

Dr S said:

2k tax on a 70k car sounds like a minor issue to me...

lend me £2k :-) you start buying 3 or 4 cars a year it mounts up then £10k is not a minor issue.

[n17ves]

Porsche911R said:

Dr S said:

2k tax on a 70k car sounds like a minor issue to me...

lend me £2k :-) you start buying 3 or 4 cars a year it mounts up then £10k is not a minor issue.

But this is for the first year only? You might as well wrap it into the price of the car and call it £72k car, no different to VAT in that sense.

I do wonder if you sorn it a month later, do you get the majority of the £2k back

[Porsche911R]

n17ves said:

But this is for the first year only? You might as well wrap it into the price of the car and call it £72k car, no different to VAT in that sense.

I do wonder if you sorn it a month later, do you get the majority of the £2k back

I did try that and no :-( I did not even want to TAX my GT4 as it arrived at the start of winter, as you say you have to forget the TAX and add it to the car.

it's still £520 to tax a GT4 though a year which imo is a lot of money if you have a few cars.

As an example I tax my Spyder for 6 months it's £140, new car TAX is a rip off it's even £800 on a Elise these days !!

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

lend me £2k :-) you start buying 3 or 4 cars a year it mounts up then £10k is not a minor issue.

If you have the means to buy '3 or 4 cars a year', I'd suggest that you have the means to pay the tax without carping about it.....

[lemmingjames]

isaldiri said:

If you have the means to buy '3 or 4 cars a year', I'd suggest that you have the means to pay the tax without carping about it.....

If you run the cars via your company/sole trader status, do you even 'pay' car tax?

[Porsche911R]

lemmingjames said:

If you run the cars via your company/sole trader status, do you even 'pay' car tax?

who else is going to pay for it lol ?

[lemmingjames]

Porsche911R said:

who else is going to pay for it lol ?

Someone on PAYE unable to run it through a company maybe?

[Porsche911R]

lemmingjames said:

Someone on PAYE unable to run it through a company maybe?

As a sole trader I pay for every thing, it's not magic money ! worst still if I stay at home for a day I earn nothing. if I am sick for a week I earn nothing.
Why do people thing running a business is free money ?

[GT4RS]

Porsche911R said:

As a sole trader I pay for every thing, it's not magic money ! worst still if I stay at home for a day I earn nothing. if I am sick for a week I earn nothing.
Why do people thing running a business is free money ?

Anyone with half a brain who runs a proper business will know the benefits and negatives of putting cars like this through a company. There are many benifits of bening a company owner, there are also many negatives. There is no such thing as free money in this world.

[GT4RS]

Let’s gt back on tack!

Would anyone happen to know how much further in advance do the opc next work get to know about spec / possible launch date of a GT car? Or is it a case that they find out just hours before we do?

I bet there phones are read hot the day it lands on the porche uk wed site!

[GT4RS]

Let’s gt back on tack!

Would anyone happen to know how much further in advance do the opc next work get to know about spec / possible launch date of a GT car? Or is it a case that they find out just hours before we do?

I bet there phones are read hot the day it lands on the porche uk wed site!

[Swimfinz]

GT4RS said:

Let’s gt back on tack!

Would anyone happen to know how much further in advance do the opc next work get to know about spec / possible launch date of a GT car? Or is it a case that they find out just hours before we do?

I bet there phones are read hot the day it lands on the porche uk wed site!

According to my local OPC they get “very little forewarning”.... But that could of course be bks.... It’s looking increasingly unlikely that a new GT4 will be revealed at Geneva though.... With only days to go until the show, the 3RS has been fully revealed to the world, with still nothing more than a few spy shots of a GT4 “mule”.... (If that’s even what it is.....)

[GameofCars]

Swimfinz said:

GT4RS said:

Let’s gt back on tack!

Would anyone happen to know how much further in advance do the opc next work get to know about spec / possible launch date of a GT car? Or is it a case that they find out just hours before we do?

I bet there phones are read hot the day it lands on the porche uk wed site!

According to my local OPC they get “very little forewarning”.... But that could of course be bks.... It’s looking increasingly unlikely that a new GT4 will be revealed at Geneva though.... With only days to go until the show, the 3RS has been fully revealed to the world, with still nothing more than a few spy shots of a GT4 “mule”.... (If that’s even what it is.....)

I have a very good relationship with my OPC. Was in touch with them yesterday & they have heard nothing yet. Even though I have a great relationship with them I do get the impression they will only mention something of interest once it has been officially released by Porsche. They are unlikely to say something they heard as internal gosip.