The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
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I think if you are completely objective... one can say that the Spyders in those clips sound very similar to a Carrera... even the over-run popping is the same profile... So that leads you to a F6T.... as others have mentioned... I think it sounds identical to a Carrera T... e.g Carfection review
I don’t think you can say that those Spyder have the signature of a Porsche NA engine...but the one remnant of hope is that those cars are being driven around at what sounds like low revs and road speed relative to the other cars that are also included in the vids.
I don’t think you can say that those Spyder have the signature of a Porsche NA engine...but the one remnant of hope is that those cars are being driven around at what sounds like low revs and road speed relative to the other cars that are also included in the vids.
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 17th April 21:47
Fokker said:
What i can't fathom though is that the Spyder will have a different engine to the GT4?
If it is a F6T then the GT4 will have to have a properly good N/A lump akin to a slightly restricted GT3.
^^^ This..... A lightly tuned F6T motor in the new Spyder will almost certainly “out-perform” any 4L N/A GT4, unless Porsche give it the “full beans”....!! But then the GT4 will be VERY close to toppling it’s bigger brother, the GT3...... Tricky times.... If it is a F6T then the GT4 will have to have a properly good N/A lump akin to a slightly restricted GT3.
Couple more videos here on Rennlist, you'll need to download them to listen to them:
https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-forum/1064405-...
Sounds muted/bassy/turbo to me. Despite how improbable it appears to be, an F6T is what I think it is.
https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-forum/1064405-...
Sounds muted/bassy/turbo to me. Despite how improbable it appears to be, an F6T is what I think it is.
The videos are not conclusive.
If I was planning the 982 GT4 with an eye to GT4 racing, I'd fit the 3.0L Turbo 992 engine into "the" new generation platform. This chimes with Rennlister Shockwave's post re meeting in Germany and the need to have a competitive race car. It might also allow the adoption of a non-strut rear suspension....
But then I am not in charge of Porsche GT cars..
If I was planning the 982 GT4 with an eye to GT4 racing, I'd fit the 3.0L Turbo 992 engine into "the" new generation platform. This chimes with Rennlister Shockwave's post re meeting in Germany and the need to have a competitive race car. It might also allow the adoption of a non-strut rear suspension....
But then I am not in charge of Porsche GT cars..
The issue with fitting the F6T into the 718 Spyder/GT4 is twofold IMO..The first is whether the extra 30Kg of the turbo,intercoolers, plumbing etc will be acceptable within the lightweight ethos.
The second is packaging, bearing in mind that AP has previously said the the F6T cannot physically fit in the 718's engine bay unless they go to considerable expense to overcome this.
The other problem from a marketing POV is this engine could make the new GT4 uncomfortably close to the GT3 in pure performance terms..
The second is packaging, bearing in mind that AP has previously said the the F6T cannot physically fit in the 718's engine bay unless they go to considerable expense to overcome this.
The other problem from a marketing POV is this engine could make the new GT4 uncomfortably close to the GT3 in pure performance terms..
Re-route the turbos to the top and/or back of the engine rather than next to the firewall and that might explain the fat rear of the mules, and allow it to fit in the mid-engined chassis. Not a straight drop in, but surely possible? They said the 991.1.engine wouldn't fit in a Cayman originally didn't they?
The Carrera S engine makes 420bhp. Minus the 10-15bhp the 981 GT4 lost from the NA Carrera S engine and you get 405-410 bhp. I'd say that's bang on for a 718 GT4 in the latest sportscar hierarchy.
The Carrera S engine makes 420bhp. Minus the 10-15bhp the 981 GT4 lost from the NA Carrera S engine and you get 405-410 bhp. I'd say that's bang on for a 718 GT4 in the latest sportscar hierarchy.
anonymous said:
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They have just had the first couple rounds of the new season - they are available to watch on YouTube. Pretty cool to see how good the GT4 is in a field with Mercedes AMG GT, Audi R8 and McLaren 570.GT4 qualified on pole, and lead the race through to the mandatory pit stops, running back up the field to finish second or third. But you can just see how easy the car is to drive - carrying far greater speed - just flat out.
So any improvement in engine performance will see it doing very well indeed.
GT4 as a class is really becoming the category to be seen in from a manufacturer PoV - cars relate directly to road cars - race on Sunday, sell on Monday reborn.
TDT said:
They have just had the first couple rounds of the new season - they are available to watch on YouTube. Pretty cool to see how good the GT4 is in a field with Mercedes AMG GT, Audi R8 and McLaren 570.
GT4 qualified on pole, and lead the race through to the mandatory pit stops, running back up the field to finish second or third. But you can just see how easy the car is to drive - carrying far greater speed - just flat out.
So any improvement in engine performance will see it doing very well indeed.
GT4 as a class is really becoming the category to be seen in from a manufacturer PoV - cars relate directly to road cars - race on Sunday, sell on Monday reborn.
GT4 qualified on pole, and lead the race through to the mandatory pit stops, running back up the field to finish second or third. But you can just see how easy the car is to drive - carrying far greater speed - just flat out.
So any improvement in engine performance will see it doing very well indeed.
GT4 as a class is really becoming the category to be seen in from a manufacturer PoV - cars relate directly to road cars - race on Sunday, sell on Monday reborn.
Balance of Performance will wipe out any signficant gains if there actually is one, it'd be far easier simply to lobby for a better adjustment. Given the cars are supposed to be equalized in performance to provide a competitive race series, it seems bizarre people actually seemingly will take a 'win' by the race car as anything relevant to the road car, even if GT4 class racing is somewhat less of a case of silhouette racing than GTE/GT3 class racing.Twinfan said:
It's worked for superbikes for ages - the bike name and silhouette has been enough to sell the road bikes. The fact that a WSB Ducati/Honda/Kawasaki was substantially upgraded from the road bike meant nothing. Ducati winning championships sold a lot of 916/996/998/999 models...
Exactly... - not sure what the bizarre part is from isaldiri..... its called a marketing strategy and it works...Porsche has done it for the 911 and they have now extended this to the Cayman....they are arguably the best at it.The point about what I wrote was that it was interesting to see how the various cars and their respective implementations achieved lap time are a result of the BoP that has been brought up. Some of the cars have big power and big weight and less aero, whilst others are lighter, and have less weight but more aero, and of course there is any mix of those to achieve the balance.
I was personally impressed with the Cayman Race Car implementation based upon a lightness/simpleness ethos, which is the same ethos that birthed the road car. No one said they were the exactly the same... of course they aren't.... but the difference is much much less than GTE/GT3, so it does count for something and does translate.
Edited by TDT on Wednesday 18th April 23:30
TDT said:
The point about what I wrote was that it was interesting to see how the various cars and their respective implementations achieved lap time are a result of the BoP that has been brought up. Some of the cars have big power and big weight and less aero, whilst others are lighter, and have less weight but more aero, and of course there is any mix of those to achieve the balance.
My point was that how competitive a car is in GT4 has everything to do with the level of BoP being applied and very little to do with how good the car may or may not be intrinsically as they are regulated in theory to give similar performance. If the cayman gt4 clubsport does well, it means a) everything else (R8/570 etc) has been heavily restricted and b) the team running the car has done a good job. It's got pretty little to do with whether the Cayman gt4 is any good as long as it is reliable which is what your earlier post suggested. And if the Cayman picks up more engine performance, BoP should then just regulate that away not that 'an improvement will see it do very well'.And anyway I don't particularly see why there's any reflection in the road car how well the race cars do in any GT racing class. GT3/GTE are massively different cars and even in GT4, the cayman race car runs a dual clutch gearbox which entirely goes against the main USP of the road car ie having a manual only gearbox. Good for marketing of course as pointed out but completely a joke wrt to the relevance of the road car imo.
Twinfan said:
It's always been that way. As long as it's a "911", a "Cayman", a "Corvette" or a "Ducati Panigale" a lot of people will just link it directly to the road versions.
It's only us techie types that see it's just marketing spin.
I'm assuming someone here would be a techie type rather than one of the uninformed targeted by marketing to believe that kind of nonsense by the manufacturers... It's only us techie types that see it's just marketing spin.
For what it's worth the new car sounds nothing like any of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VP7Ffiqpk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohx5KyLpVcU
Yes I know they aren't directly comparable but not even remotely similar - much quieter and more muted!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VP7Ffiqpk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohx5KyLpVcU
Yes I know they aren't directly comparable but not even remotely similar - much quieter and more muted!
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