The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
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My sexy, hairy German masseuse made an appearance.
Its a 4 litre N/A but don't think the gearing has changed and don't expect a high revving engine.
Its very strong up to 6k revs and, these were her words, it sounds a bit muted compared to the first gen. Filter zaps the sound...
Spyder is a soft top GT4. Said it again...
Think Geneva launch
Its a 4 litre N/A but don't think the gearing has changed and don't expect a high revving engine.
Its very strong up to 6k revs and, these were her words, it sounds a bit muted compared to the first gen. Filter zaps the sound...
Spyder is a soft top GT4. Said it again...
Think Geneva launch
Fokker said:
My sexy, hairy German masseuse made an appearance.
Its a 4 litre N/A but don't think the gearing has changed and don't expect a high revving engine.
Its very strong up to 6k revs and, these were her words, it sounds a bit muted compared to the first gen. Filter zaps the sound...
Spyder is a soft top GT4. Said it again...
Think Geneva launch
Next time you speak to her can you ask about the GT4RS pls. Seems to have gone very quiet about that.ThanksIts a 4 litre N/A but don't think the gearing has changed and don't expect a high revving engine.
Its very strong up to 6k revs and, these were her words, it sounds a bit muted compared to the first gen. Filter zaps the sound...
Spyder is a soft top GT4. Said it again...
Think Geneva launch
rkwm1 said:
Next time you speak to her can you ask about the GT4RS pls. Seems to have gone very quiet about that.Thanks
I did.... The answer was interesting and wasn't a 'No'... at this point I think it's a distinct possibility.
I haven't a clue about the engine and power but I suspect that the 'cooking' GT4 will be the 'all new' whatever that is, 4 litre and the RS, the 4 litre from the GT3 albeit detuned or just possibly the new GT4 4 litre motor with 30 more hp. Sticking the 4 litre from the GT3 in any 718 would seem complete overkill to me. AP told me that the new 4 litre in the GT4 was very much reworked so I would imagine a power hike using this unit as against the GT3 unit.
I also suspect that the large, slightly exaggerated rear diffuser actually really works and adds a lot to the aero this time around - It might be in use and being tested because of a pending RS which would demand more aero.
So we have probably Geneva launch for the GT4 and Spyder with a GT4RS slightly later in the year.
It's all educated guessing with a few hints from a very hairy ex shot-putter!
anonymous said:
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I sat with AP at Goodwood and he said that it was a 'new' unit. Lots of work had gone into it.Probably due to emissions and noise regs but we will see. We won't be seeing anything major in terms of difference though.
The high revving, spine tingling GT4 probably will never be...
It's all making the Gen 1 GT4 look very good value at the moment in my mind....
This is why i'm going for the Spyder this time around, it'll be more focused and a car they've not made before... The GT4 will just be the same but 10% more performance and quite a lot quieter.
Fokker said:
Its not making me salivate ...
That bit about being strong up to 6k revs doesn't appeal to me in the least, especially a i'm now so used to my GT3's 9k..I'm currently looking for a 458 Italia as it has a NASP 4.5L 570HP with a 9k redline.They seem to have reached the bottom of its depreciation curve and are more likely to be a future classic than the newer turbo 488.Any thoughts on how it'll compare to my 991,2GT3 PDK as far as driving is concerned..
OOPS.. i've just realised i've gone way off topic.!
Agree if the new GT4 has a lumpy low revver it has little appeal.
Thought you were after a Performante Taffy?
458s are ok but they are too wide and far less chuckable than a GT3 for road driving. Great engine but overall sound no better than the Gen 2 GT3 imo. Gearbox on the Porsche has the edge.
Price wise they have never really dropped with even the right 7 year old cars making £140k subject to mileage and spec.
I would sooner pay £190k for a relatively new low mileage Performante than £175k for a 4 year old Italia.
Thought you were after a Performante Taffy?
458s are ok but they are too wide and far less chuckable than a GT3 for road driving. Great engine but overall sound no better than the Gen 2 GT3 imo. Gearbox on the Porsche has the edge.
Price wise they have never really dropped with even the right 7 year old cars making £140k subject to mileage and spec.
I would sooner pay £190k for a relatively new low mileage Performante than £175k for a 4 year old Italia.
Fokker said:
Its not making me salivate ...
But the existing gt4 engine is hardly a zinger either is it? The new car will most likely be a faster sharper version of the current car which plenty of people wax lyrical about already. You have a gt3 so it probably isn't going to appeal overmuch but the next gt4 is going to be primarily targeted at those without a gt3 anyway...
av185 said:
Agree if the new GT4 has a lumpy low revver it has little appeal.
Thought you were after a Performante Taffy?
458s are ok but they are too wide and far less chuckable than a GT3 for road driving. Great engine but overall sound no better than the Gen 2 GT3 imo. Gearbox on the Porsche has the edge.
Price wise they have never really dropped with even the right 7 year old cars making £140k subject to mileage and spec.
I would sooner pay £190k for a relatively new low mileage Performante than £175k for a 4 year old Italia.
To facilitate buying a Performante i would have to sell my GT3 or Spyder , both of which i want to keep..A 458 at circa £140k is a good £70K less and i just love the way it looks coupled with a 9K redline.Thought you were after a Performante Taffy?
458s are ok but they are too wide and far less chuckable than a GT3 for road driving. Great engine but overall sound no better than the Gen 2 GT3 imo. Gearbox on the Porsche has the edge.
Price wise they have never really dropped with even the right 7 year old cars making £140k subject to mileage and spec.
I would sooner pay £190k for a relatively new low mileage Performante than £175k for a 4 year old Italia.
isaldiri said:
But the existing gt4 engine is hardly a zinger either is it? The new car will most likely be a faster sharper version of the current car which plenty of people wax lyrical about already.
You have a gt3 so it probably isn't going to appeal overmuch but the next gt4 is going to be primarily targeted at those without a gt3 anyway...
The GT4 is a great car, I've had 3. I've always been disappointed with the flat spot at 5300rpm and the lack of top end to a degree.You have a gt3 so it probably isn't going to appeal overmuch but the next gt4 is going to be primarily targeted at those without a gt3 anyway...
It's still a very good motor in the scheme of things though i agree. It was much better in my old 991.1 GTS though. It just doesn't make me salivate as to what's coming next... same situation I suspect.
Taffy66 said:
That bit about being strong up to 6k revs doesn't appeal to me in the least, especially a i'm now so used to my GT3's 9k..I'm currently looking for a 458 Italia as it has a NASP 4.5L 570HP with a 9k redline.They seem to have reached the bottom of its depreciation curve and are more likely to be a future classic than the newer turbo 488.
Any thoughts on how it'll compare to my 991,2GT3 PDK as far as driving is concerned..
OOPS.. i've just realised i've gone way off topic.!
Ive been looking at the one at Slades for 139000 in black with the right seats and carbon plus 1 1 year fez warranty. I agree that they are probably at the bottom of the depreciation curve although you might save another few grand between now and Feb?Any thoughts on how it'll compare to my 991,2GT3 PDK as far as driving is concerned..
OOPS.. i've just realised i've gone way off topic.!
re the 4 litre from the GT3 albeit detuned or whatever...
From BGB Motorsports' John Tecce (they did the manual install in a 991.1 GT3RS)
"As for the whole "why aren't we getting a 4.0L GT3 motor" question, you have to noodle over the following:
1. You can't slam a GT3 motor in a 981 because of several fitment reasons, the biggest being the oil sump tank. (requires re-engineering of the motor and/or unibody for a car that is really a 2nd generation of a previous model)
2. The Siemens SDI 9.1 used to run all 991s/981s will not spin over 8160. The ECU architecture doesn't allow it. (Requires re-engineering of the ECU platform)
3. Look at the outright engine costs - a 991.1 GT3 motor is $75K to buy new; a 4.0L 991.1 911R motor is $98K and a GT4 motor is $45K. (The car’s price point would land at GT3 levels, which is not wanted by people on either side of the table.)
I don’t doubt that a 4.0L GT3 motor found its way into a 981 in Weissach at one point or another and while there's no doubt that the resources are there to execute everything listed above in a nanosecond, sometimes it just doesn't make sense. Unfortunately you cant just Mr. Potato Head that motor in that car like you can with a lot of other things. It's for this very reason that we convert the existing motors to 4.0L from 3.8L in the exact same fashion that the factory did via a stroke conversion. I know of 1 person on here currently attempting to do this but if you look at the cost to do a project like this, it would be the world's most expensive Cayman on the road ever"
From BGB Motorsports' John Tecce (they did the manual install in a 991.1 GT3RS)
"As for the whole "why aren't we getting a 4.0L GT3 motor" question, you have to noodle over the following:
1. You can't slam a GT3 motor in a 981 because of several fitment reasons, the biggest being the oil sump tank. (requires re-engineering of the motor and/or unibody for a car that is really a 2nd generation of a previous model)
2. The Siemens SDI 9.1 used to run all 991s/981s will not spin over 8160. The ECU architecture doesn't allow it. (Requires re-engineering of the ECU platform)
3. Look at the outright engine costs - a 991.1 GT3 motor is $75K to buy new; a 4.0L 991.1 911R motor is $98K and a GT4 motor is $45K. (The car’s price point would land at GT3 levels, which is not wanted by people on either side of the table.)
I don’t doubt that a 4.0L GT3 motor found its way into a 981 in Weissach at one point or another and while there's no doubt that the resources are there to execute everything listed above in a nanosecond, sometimes it just doesn't make sense. Unfortunately you cant just Mr. Potato Head that motor in that car like you can with a lot of other things. It's for this very reason that we convert the existing motors to 4.0L from 3.8L in the exact same fashion that the factory did via a stroke conversion. I know of 1 person on here currently attempting to do this but if you look at the cost to do a project like this, it would be the world's most expensive Cayman on the road ever"
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