The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
Discussion
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
Porsche ramped up production on the last run of 911.2 gt3 cars over the 991.1 gt3 to meet demand, looking at how many left there 600 plus .2 gt3 cars cars which isn’t that far behind the 981 gt4
I asked you when you mentioned this figure previously but you didn't answer for some reason.Will you provide a link to confirm the 600+ 991.2 GT3s you refer to from How Many Left.
If you cannot provide a link then a screenshot of the number would suffice.
Cheers.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk
May I suggest you take off your new Christmas socks to help you add this one up!
If you add up the gt3 pdk and manual cars 2017 / 2018 cars it comes in at 644, there will be a handful of lhd imported cars in that figure.
If you’re doubtful of the data provided by how many left from the Dvla your local OPC should now be able to confirm UK production numbers for you if you ask nicely 👍
Please don’t shoot me down, I’m only adding up the data provided by the how many left web site!
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
Porsche ramped up production on the last run of 911.2 gt3 cars over the 991.1 gt3 to meet demand, looking at how many left there 600 plus .2 gt3 cars cars which isn’t that far behind the 981 gt4
I asked you when you mentioned this figure previously but you didn't answer for some reason.Will you provide a link to confirm the 600+ 991.2 GT3s you refer to from How Many Left.
If you cannot provide a link then a screenshot of the number would suffice.
Cheers.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk
May I suggest you take off your new Christmas socks to help you add this one up!
If you add up the gt3 pdk and manual cars 2017 / 2018 cars it comes in at 644, there will be a handful of lhd imported cars in that figure.
If you’re doubtful of the data provided by how many left from the Dvla your local OPC should now be able to confirm UK production numbers for you if you ask nicely ??
Please don’t shoot me down, I’m only adding up the data provided by the how many left web site!
There are just over 500 UK cars max.
As for pricing of the GT4 and Spyder a figure of £74k to £75k is expected for both.
First flipped cars when they arrive in the UK early 2020 will be £110k to £115k spec dependent.
As I said before there will be no PDK option.
Obviously first car/s will be *advertised* at overs. I think this time things will be different going forward though. My OPC recently said enquiries and demand to purchase was a bit lower than usual (on top of the usual slower Winter months), but what is different this year is the enquiries from customers wanting to sell their cars back to the OPC. Most phone calls are from sellers, not buyers.
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
Porsche ramped up production on the last run of 911.2 gt3 cars over the 991.1 gt3 to meet demand, looking at how many left there 600 plus .2 gt3 cars cars which isn’t that far behind the 981 gt4
I asked you when you mentioned this figure previously but you didn't answer for some reason.Will you provide a link to confirm the 600+ 991.2 GT3s you refer to from How Many Left.
If you cannot provide a link then a screenshot of the number would suffice.
Cheers.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk
May I suggest you take off your new Christmas socks to help you add this one up!
If you add up the gt3 pdk and manual cars 2017 / 2018 cars it comes in at 644, there will be a handful of lhd imported cars in that figure.
If you’re doubtful of the data provided by how many left from the Dvla your local OPC should now be able to confirm UK production numbers for you if you ask nicely ??
Please don’t shoot me down, I’m only adding up the data provided by the how many left web site!
There are just over 500 UK cars max.
As for pricing of the GT4 and Spyder a figure of £74k to £75k is expected for both.
First flipped cars when they arrive in the UK early 2020 will be £110k to £115k spec dependent.
As I said before there will be no PDK option.
Agree the base rrp will be around 70k, which could turn out to be a total bargain if it gets the motorsport spec 4.0 6 pot Porsche GT engine as suggested.
I’m unsure on the pdk box option, I’ve not heard anything to suggest it’s not going to be offered.
Can you confirm how you know the pdk box won’t be a spec option for the new 718 gt4?
The How many left figures overlap from each model and do not directly relate to the gen 2.
Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
I wouldn't get too excited about the 4.0 'motorsport' engine in the 718 GT4. It will possibly be either a massively detuned and lower revving and less economical strangled GT3 engine or a similar newer unit either way a repeat of the 981 GT4 strangled and somewhat disappointing engine ethos is virtually a given so as not to tread on the toes of the all too important 911.
As for the transmission you will have to wait and see if you don't believe me.
Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
I wouldn't get too excited about the 4.0 'motorsport' engine in the 718 GT4. It will possibly be either a massively detuned and lower revving and less economical strangled GT3 engine or a similar newer unit either way a repeat of the 981 GT4 strangled and somewhat disappointing engine ethos is virtually a given so as not to tread on the toes of the all too important 911.
As for the transmission you will have to wait and see if you don't believe me.
JayK12 said:
Let's wait and see I guess. I won't be buying an overs car if I don't get an allocation, at that price I'd have my eyes on something else. Hopefully Porsche make enough to go around and OPC share the love amongst none flippers......I doubt that will happen though!
I hope they ramp up the production numbers like they did on the 991.2 gt3, it’s clearly had an effect on the overs market. Your not alone. As time moves on, more and more potential buyers aren’t prepared to pay overs for a car they were refused a allocation for.
av185 said:
The How many left figures overlap from each model and do not directly relate to the gen 2.
Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
I wouldn't get too excited about the 4.0 'motorsport' engine in the 718 GT4. It will possibly be either a massively detuned and lower revving and less economical strangled GT3 engine or a similar newer unit either way a repeat of the 981 GT4 strangled and somewhat disappointing engine ethos is virtually a given so as not to tread on the toes of the all too important 911.
As for the transmission you will have to wait and see if you don't believe me.
I have to disagree, the only way they over lap is by year of registration, I can’t see many pdk gen 1 gt3 being registered in 2017 and definitely 0 manual gen 1 gt3 cars?Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
I wouldn't get too excited about the 4.0 'motorsport' engine in the 718 GT4. It will possibly be either a massively detuned and lower revving and less economical strangled GT3 engine or a similar newer unit either way a repeat of the 981 GT4 strangled and somewhat disappointing engine ethos is virtually a given so as not to tread on the toes of the all too important 911.
As for the transmission you will have to wait and see if you don't believe me.
You say the new engine will be disappointing, your driving must be far far better than the average car enthusiasts if you feel a motorsport spec 4.0L Porsche gt engine doest cut the mustard.
As far as I’m aware the Porsche gt4 has always been designed as Porsche’s entry level GT car, im not aware it’s being designed to better or tread on the toes of the next gt3.
I assume you race Porsche’s at a reasonable level if you feel the 981 gt4 had a disappointing engine?
JayK12 said:
I too don't think they will put the motorsport engine in, no a chance. I'm happy if it's a 3.8 at 420hp or a 4.0 at the same but with more torque. NA manual, GT4 Suspension and Brakes I the Spyder is perfect for what I want.
The engine will be based on the same engine which is used in the 718 gt4 clubsport motorsport car.It’s used in motorsport and has been redesigned for motorsport this survey makes it a motorsport spec engine. The 981 gt4 clubsport cat has proven to be very successful for Porsche
av185 said:
The How many left figures overlap from each model and do not directly relate to the gen 2.
Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
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Dvla figures also include engine size up to q4 2017. Those correspond pretty well to new registration numbers for 2017 so there's little reason not to believe 2018 numbers are ballpark right. What's your basis for stating 'just over 500 UK cars max'?Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
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JayK12 said:
I too don't think they will put the motorsport engine in, no a chance. I'm happy if it's a 3.8 at 420hp or a 4.0 at the same but with more torque. NA manual, GT4 Suspension and Brakes I the Spyder is perfect for what I want.
The engine will be based on the same engine which is used in the 718 gt4 clubsport motorsport car.It’s used in motorsport and has been redesigned for motorsport this survey makes it a motorsport spec engine. The 981 gt4 clubsport cat has proven to be very successful for Porsche
isaldiri said:
av185 said:
The How many left figures overlap from each model and do not directly relate to the gen 2.
Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
.
Dvla figures also include engine size up to q4 2017. Those correspond pretty well to new registration numbers for 2017 so there's little reason not to believe 2018 numbers are ballpark right. What's your basis for stating 'just over 500 UK cars max'?Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
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We know there were c 332 Gen 1 PDKs which tallies with 303 plus 23 sorned in q2 2017. The 2018 q3 figure is 525 plus 31 sorned giving 556 total gen 1 and 2 PDKs. So 233 gen 2 PDKs.
Re the manual, q2 2017 gives 373 plus 124 sorned total 497 which will be non gen 2 GT3s. Q3 2018 gives 686 plus 166 sorned giving 852 total non gen 2 and gen 2 manuals.
Overall result for the gen 2 is 233 PDKs and 355 manuals (incl tourings) totalling 587 minus c 70 non UK cars giving 517.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 30th December 16:05
GT4RS said:
I have to disagree, the only way they over lap is by year of registration, I can’t see many pdk gen 1 gt3 being registered in 2017 and definitely 0 manual gen 1 gt3 cars?
You say the new engine will be disappointing, your driving must be far far better than the average car enthusiasts if you feel a motorsport spec 4.0L Porsche gt engine doest cut the mustard.
As far as I’m aware the Porsche gt4 has always been designed as Porsche’s entry level GT car, im not aware it’s being designed to better or tread on the toes of the next gt3.
I assume you race Porsche’s at a reasonable level if you feel the 981 gt4 had a disappointing engine?
All I am saying is that the GT4 engine imo will be a bit of a non event for a Porsche GT engine as was the case with the 981 GT4.You say the new engine will be disappointing, your driving must be far far better than the average car enthusiasts if you feel a motorsport spec 4.0L Porsche gt engine doest cut the mustard.
As far as I’m aware the Porsche gt4 has always been designed as Porsche’s entry level GT car, im not aware it’s being designed to better or tread on the toes of the next gt3.
I assume you race Porsche’s at a reasonable level if you feel the 981 gt4 had a disappointing engine?
Yes the 981 was a good road car especially at the money but don't forget that despite the hysteria on launch many enthusiasts pulled the plug on their orders on the news the engine was merely a boggo and even detuned C2S lump...no more.
Many expected a higher revving smaller engine maybe 3.4 or 3.6 which would have fitted the GT4 ethos far better than the C2S lump did. And the great shame was that the chassis could have coped with way more power. So in many ways the GT4 was a somewhat flawed concept.
Whilst the 718 GT4 promises great things in reality it will be little different to the 981 in many areas.
av185 said:
isaldiri said:
av185 said:
The How many left figures overlap from each model and do not directly relate to the gen 2.
Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
.
Dvla figures also include engine size up to q4 2017. Those correspond pretty well to new registration numbers for 2017 so there's little reason not to believe 2018 numbers are ballpark right. What's your basis for stating 'just over 500 UK cars max'?Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
.
We know there were c 332 Gen 1 PDKs which tallies with 303 plus 23 sorned in q2 2017. The 2018 q3 figure is 525 plus 31 sorned giving 556 total gen 1 and 2 PDKs. So 233 gen 2 PDKs.
Re the manual, q2 2017 gives 373 plus 124 sorned total 497 which will be non gen 2 GT3s. Q3 2018 gives 686 plus 166 sorned giving 852 total non gen 2 and gen 2 manuals.
Overall result for the gen 2 is 233 PDKs and 355 manuals (incl tourings) totalling 587 minus c 70 non UK cars giving 517.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 30th December 16:05
Surprised there are more manuals than PDK’s. - doesn’t feel like that looking at how many for sale - I guess maybe manuals are less likely to be flipped maybe - who knows
av185 said:
The problem is the how many left site only states engine size up to q4 2017.
We know there were c 332 Gen 1 PDKs which tallies with 303 plus 23 sorned in q2 2017. The 2018 q3 figure is 525 plus 31 sorned giving 556 total gen 1 and 2 PDKs. So 233 gen 2 PDKs.
Re the manual, q2 2017 gives 373 plus 124 sorned total 497 which will be non gen 2 GT3s. Q3 2018 gives 686 plus 166 sorned giving 852 total non gen 2 and gen 2 manuals.
Overall result for the gen 2 is 233 PDKs and 355 manuals (incl tourings) totalling 587 minus c 70 non UK cars giving 517.
70 non UK cars? Where did you get that number? Given list prices in Europe/elsewhere are much higher than the UK, it seems somewhat likely that many cars would have been brought in.We know there were c 332 Gen 1 PDKs which tallies with 303 plus 23 sorned in q2 2017. The 2018 q3 figure is 525 plus 31 sorned giving 556 total gen 1 and 2 PDKs. So 233 gen 2 PDKs.
Re the manual, q2 2017 gives 373 plus 124 sorned total 497 which will be non gen 2 GT3s. Q3 2018 gives 686 plus 166 sorned giving 852 total non gen 2 and gen 2 manuals.
Overall result for the gen 2 is 233 PDKs and 355 manuals (incl tourings) totalling 587 minus c 70 non UK cars giving 517.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 30th December 16:05
av185 said:
isaldiri said:
av185 said:
The How many left figures overlap from each model and do not directly relate to the gen 2.
Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
.
Dvla figures also include engine size up to q4 2017. Those correspond pretty well to new registration numbers for 2017 so there's little reason not to believe 2018 numbers are ballpark right. What's your basis for stating 'just over 500 UK cars max'?Agree DVLA provide the numbers but they do not categorically state the gen 2.
.
We know there were c 332 Gen 1 PDKs which tallies with 303 plus 23 sorned in q2 2017. The 2018 q3 figure is 525 plus 31 sorned giving 556 total gen 1 and 2 PDKs. So 233 gen 2 PDKs.
Re the manual, q2 2017 gives 373 plus 124 sorned total 497 which will be non gen 2 GT3s. Q3 2018 gives 686 plus 166 sorned giving 852 total non gen 2 and gen 2 manuals.
Overall result for the gen 2 is 233 PDKs and 355 manuals (incl tourings) totalling 587 minus c 70 non UK cars giving 517.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 30th December 16:05
Can you please confirm how on earth you are aware 70 .2 gt3 cars have been imported to the UK and where you got this info from.
RSVP911 said:
No wonder no one has a clue - need a degree in “how many left” to follow that
Surprised there are more manuals than PDK’s. - doesn’t feel like that looking at how many for sale - I guess maybe manuals are less likely to be flipped maybe - who knows
Don't forget the 'manuels' figures include Tourings too Richard.Surprised there are more manuals than PDK’s. - doesn’t feel like that looking at how many for sale - I guess maybe manuals are less likely to be flipped maybe - who knows
Interesting there are now just 20 winged gen 2s for sale at OPCs.
As expected it appears the flippers went for PDK as there are 15 PDKs but only 5 'manuels' listed for sale of varying spec and price.
Of these 5 cars only 1 is good spec CS but with steels in rather marmite Miami with red stitching, the remaining 4 are either poor spec have steels and or non buckets.
Asking prices remain static between £140k for poor spec non cs car with 11k miles through top £150ks to top £160ks for the proper spec sub 3k miles cars.
Colours: Gt silver 6, Miami 3, Crayon 2, Red 2, White 2, Sapphire 1, Graphite 1, Yellow 1, Black 1, Agate grey 1.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 30th December 17:47
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