The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

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Mrsnoopy

20 posts

41 months

Saturday 9th February
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RSVP911

6,286 posts

71 months

Saturday 9th February
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Mrsnoopy said:
Be nice if it wasn’t smile

Taffy66

1,936 posts

40 months

Saturday 9th February
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If true then it explains the £90K list price speculated on another article i read recently. However i would stump up the dosh as it will be an absolute animal of a car.

Geoff39GL

207 posts

74 months

Saturday 9th February
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Taffy66 said:
If true then it explains the £90K list price speculated on another article i read recently. However i would stump up the dosh as it will be an absolute animal of a car.
Keep fingers crossed and hope !!

hixster

274 posts

155 months

Saturday 9th February
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Gonna be amazing if true..superb!
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cormeist

345 posts

39 months

Sunday 10th February
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To confirm £90k list is correct. Will push the speculators out as there won’t be enough premium in one, even myself that buys GT cars at list would agree that 90k is a massive chunk over the Previous car

cormeist

345 posts

39 months

Sunday 10th February
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To confirm £90k list is correct. Will push the speculators out as there won’t be enough premium in one, even myself that buys GT cars at list would agree that 90k is a massive chunk over the Previous car

rkwm1

Original Poster:

565 posts

40 months

Sunday 10th February
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cormeist said:
To confirm £90k list is correct. Will push the speculators out as there won’t be enough premium in one, even myself that buys GT cars at list would agree that 90k is a massive chunk over the Previous car
If it is 450-460 hp GT3 engine, even at 90K you will have huge demand for them and big premiums!

Twinfan

3,270 posts

42 months

Sunday 10th February
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Who confirmed the £90k? Are you sure your OPC isn't just quoting the CAR article?

cormeist

345 posts

39 months

Sunday 10th February
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Think we all may be shocked at actually how good the GT4 is going to be, I am prepared to pay that sort of money if we get a GT3 engine with a manual shift, We all knew the first GT4 was too reasonable/cheap, put it this way, you can easily spec a 718 GTS to 70k....

GT4RS

1,411 posts

135 months

Sunday 10th February
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Interesting, my OPC has indicated there will be a price increase, they said expect 5% to 7% on the old price.

TDT

1,220 posts

57 months

Sunday 10th February
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cormeist said:
Think we all may be shocked at actually how good the GT4 is going to be, I am prepared to pay that sort of money if we get a GT3 engine with a manual shift, We all knew the first GT4 was too reasonable/cheap, put it this way, you can easily spec a 718 GTS to 70k....
Based upon what?…

Twinfan

3,270 posts

42 months

Sunday 10th February
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I'd like to know that too. What's your source?

The 981 GT4 was cheap because the engine came from an existing car, the gearbox from other 981s and the front end from the GT3. The only really bespoke parts were the rear suspension. I don't think it was too cheap, it didn't cost much to make or develop.

In contrast, the 718 GT4 will need either the old 981 shell or a bespoke one and the engine will be unique to that model (for now). I can see it being a fair bit more than the old one, not sure about £90k though.

Edited by Twinfan on Sunday 10th February 21:01

av185

7,618 posts

65 months

Sunday 10th February
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Expect a c10% price increase just like the gen 2 GT3.


cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Sunday 10th February
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Twinfan said:
The 981 GT4 was cheap because the engine came from an existing car, the gearbox from other 981s and the front end from the GT3. The only really bespoke parts were the rear suspension. I don't think it was too cheap, it didn't cost much to make or develop.
Somewhat disagree.

It was priced below the base 911 at the time, but would have been a much more expensive car per unit given all development, type approval, promotional, PR etc cost specific to the GT4 would have been amortised over a relatively small prod run. Normal Cayster and Carrera probably very close in prod costs, but the Carrera has much bigger margins. I would think the margins on the #gt4 were pretty poor by Porsche's standards.

I think the GT4 was priced low for two main reasons. One was to protect the 911 - pricing the GT4 below the 911 maintained the 911's premium status. The other was probably some uncertainty regarding the level the market would tolerate for a Cayster. How many would pay upwards of £80k or whatever for a Cayster?

I sense Porsche has become a little less precious / or perhaps you could say even more confident re the 911 and may be less worried about the impact of an expensive Cayster on the 911's image. Likewise, the market showed significant appetite for an expensive Cayster with the GT4 attracting a premium on the used market.

So I think they'll want to price it up quite a bit. Giving it a 4.0-litre engine will help with that in marketing terms. I doubt the 450-460hp detuned GT3 engine is accurate. But pretty much any 4.0-litre F6 can be pitched as GT3 related and help justify a hefty price bump.

Twinfan

3,270 posts

42 months

Sunday 10th February
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Fair points, but I don't think the PR and promotional stuff cost much more than any other Cayster model. I don't remember a massive amount of publicity for it at the time.

I think we'll be very lucky if only see a 10% increase on the 981 GT4 base price, more seems likely as you say.

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Sunday 10th February
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Twinfan said:
Fair points, but I don't think the PR and promotional stuff cost much more than any other Cayster model. I don't remember a massive amount of publicity for it at the time.
They needn't have for it to be a problem. That's my point.

They make roughly 20-25,000 Caysters a year. They made, what, 6,000 GT4s full stop (can't remember the supposed GT4 prod number,s but htink it was something like that)? They probably spent quite a bit less on GT4 PR than PR for the regular Caysters, but then they made something like 100,000 981 Caysters. Maybe they spent four times as much on PR for the cooking Caysters - would still mean the per unit cost of PR for the GT4 was something like five times higher.

In reality, they probably spent at least 10x more on regular Cayster PR than they did on the GT4. Even in that scenario, you're looking at something like twice the cost per unit manufactured.

You get the idea, anyway. With so few cars to share the costs, any cost becomes fairly significant. If it wasn't for the PR value the GT models generate, I don't think they'd make them at all. I doubt they add up in terms of hard nosed calculations involving direct profitability and where to put capital in the business.

Fokker

3,284 posts

160 months

Monday 11th February
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TDT said:
Based upon what?…
Indeed, based on what and who said?

I do think through that £90k is reasonable considering that the GT3 is £111k so £21k cheaper for the Cayman version with a new 4 litre engine.
Why should it be any cheaper when you think about it now it possibly has a more bespoke motor?

If they did provide it with 450hp then it's a massive jump over the old car and would be as fast as a GT3 in the real world.
Porsche does listen to it's customers so maybe they're listening now?

Personally I would reckon on 430hp and 450hp for an RS PDK version if that ever materialised.
I think there are people on here that plant seeds with no info whatsoever just to create a stir smile


Porsche911R

16,242 posts

203 months

Monday 11th February
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Fokker said:
Indeed, based on what and who said?

I do think through that £90k is reasonable considering that the GT3 is £111k so £21k cheaper for the Cayman version with a new 4 litre engine.
Why should it be any cheaper when you think about it now it possibly has a more bespoke motor?

If they did provide it with 450hp then it's a massive jump over the old car and would be as fast as a GT3 in the real world.
Porsche does listen to it's customers so maybe they're listening now?

Personally I would reckon on 430hp and 450hp for an RS PDK version if that ever materialised.
I think there are people on here that plant seeds with no info whatsoever just to create a stir smile
lets hope they fit proper rear adjustable sus this time then !! at this new £90k rumor !

the issue is, one would buy a GT3, the GT4 selling point for me was price, at £90k plus £15k options it's then not value.

I cannot see it being anymore than £75k anyway, it's not a GT3.

TDT

1,220 posts

57 months

Monday 11th February
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Porsche911R said:
lets hope they fit proper rear adjustable sus this time then !! at this new £90k rumor !

the issue is, one would buy a GT3, the GT4 selling point for me was price, at £90k plus £15k options it's then not value.

I cannot see it being anymore than £75k anyway, it's not a GT3.
Agree with all of that.