The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

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rkwm1

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565 posts

40 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Twinfan said:
OK, so the latest info from Rennteam is:

Its a 4L in four HP configurations.

- 370-380hp Boxster/Cayman 6...yes, that is what its called, 718 Cayman 6.
- 425hp GT4 manual only
- 485hp GT4 RS late 2020 or early 2021. PDK only. Very limited car
- And somewhere in between they will squeeze a special Boxster Anniversary with possibly 450hp.
...and they are all powered on fairy dust biglaugh

Has there ever been a more hyped and drawn out car launch?

Twinfan

3,270 posts

42 months

Tuesday 12th February
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It's absolutely barmy isn't it?

I can see them turning up right at the wrong time, being massively overpriced, and demand being less than expected...

av185

7,618 posts

65 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Twinfan said:
It's absolutely barmy isn't it?

I can see them turning up right at the wrong time, being massively overpriced, and demand being less than expected...
And what would be the point of these forums if owners couldn't talk them up? biggrin:

rkwm1

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565 posts

40 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Twinfan said:
It's absolutely barmy isn't it?

I can see them turning up right at the wrong time, being massively overpriced, and demand being less than expected...
Yes, crazy how long its taking.

I don't think demand will be an issue. Even back in 2008 i remember the newly launched R8 getting 20K+ premium. However if there isn't a huge demand I'd guess they would simply build less to keep demand high.

They also have the super exclusive GT4RS model up their sleeve to ensure that people are still banging the OPC's doors down trying to secure a car! wink

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February
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rkwm1 said:
Yes, crazy how long its taking.

I don't think demand will be an issue. Even back in 2008 i remember the newly launched R8 getting 20K+ premium.
You've obviously forgotten how much Porsche sales dipped back then!
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Lexington59

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3 months

Tuesday 12th February
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rkwm1 said:
Twinfan said:
OK, so the latest info from Rennteam is:

Its a 4L in four HP configurations.

- 370-380hp Boxster/Cayman 6...yes, that is what its called, 718 Cayman 6.
- 425hp GT4 manual only
- 485hp GT4 RS late 2020 or early 2021. PDK only. Very limited car
- And somewhere in between they will squeeze a special Boxster Anniversary with possibly 450hp.
...and they are all powered on fairy dust biglaugh

Has there ever been a more hyped and drawn out car launch?
That's an awful lot of variants. Someone is smokin

And what happens to existing GTS sales 365hp to 370/380? There's not a lot of room there before we're in 911 territory. Just don't see it myself, they'll thin those down to one or two max.

Sounds good though wink


Fokker

3,284 posts

160 months

Tuesday 12th February
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485hp RS would be mega! smile

GT4 will do me with 425hp. Would be a keeper, for once!

rkwm1

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565 posts

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Tuesday 12th February
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cmoose said:
You've obviously forgotten how much Porsche sales dipped back then!
I've never really paid that much attention to any manufacturers annual figures tbh. But you are right, Porsches sales figures will head downwards. I think with the imminent arrival of the Taycan, that will keep help, but other models will be more difficult to shift.

Having said that, the 997.2 rs was immediately sold out in 2010 and the rs4.0 was selling over list at launch.That was without the much bigger customer base that they have built over the last 10 years with respect to GT cars!

If demand is not there for GT cars, it is my guess that they will simply build less to keep demand high. It is more important in the long term for them to keep demand high now, so they can build more when things pick up!




GT4P

3,679 posts

123 months

Tuesday 12th February
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I don't think it's true of 997.2RS, certainly could buy a lightly used one at list or below in 2011.
Said all along I don't think we will have the same frenzy as last Gt4 , think it will be a bit like when the Cayman R was released ie a lot of interest but struggling sales, perhaps Porsche know this hence the various models to appeal to a larger market, wouldn't be too difficult to build all on one production line. Personally I would be keen on the non GT na6 Cayman if true but depends at what price!

Twinfan

3,270 posts

42 months

Tuesday 12th February
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GT4P said:
Personally I would be keen on the non GT na6 Cayman if true but depends at what price!
Got be priced higher than the 718 GTS, so pushing £70k base?

Ouch.

GT4P

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Tuesday 12th February
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If same power as GTS no reason to price above

Porsche911R

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203 months

Tuesday 12th February
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GT4P said:
I don't think it's true of 997.2RS, certainly could buy a lightly used one at list or below in 2011.
Said all along I don't think we will have the same frenzy as last Gt4 , think it will be a bit like when the Cayman R was released ie a lot of interest but struggling sales, perhaps Porsche know this hence the various models to appeal to a larger market, wouldn't be too difficult to build all on one production line. Personally I would be keen on the non GT na6 Cayman if true but depends at what price!
I agree a lot of people who want a GT car have one by now and every one seems to have found an era they like.

also a lot of ex GT4 owners got 991.2 manual GT3 slots, and how ever good a GT4 is it's won't be 991.2 GT3 good !
mine still blows me away every drive, no down side which my GT4 had.

So less buyers all round imo.

£100k to spend gets you a mint low miles CS 997.2 GT3, or a new GT4 !

I bought my GT4 because it was £70k, I don't see the value in them at £100k+

added now GT4 owners will get new gearboxes so that will help the modders be a bit safer and maybe keep what they have and for £8k you can have a GT4 3.8 with 430bhp.

if they are £70k new then they will be in demand, I 'll try for one as a daily, , if they are £90k plus options I don't get who would buy it.

PDK RS well you can stick it. (or not as the case may be)


Twinfan

3,270 posts

42 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Power alone doesn't dictate pricing - there's positioning within the range, competitors etc etc.

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February
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GT4P said:
a lot of interest but struggling sales, perhaps Porsche know this hence the various models to appeal to a larger market
I think if Porsche is worried that they won't be able to shift the things, there's zero chance they'd increase the number of offerings.

Each model costs money to bring to market and a strategy of more models, each with a lower volume is hardly a goer, especially in the context of WLTP.

For me the only way all this stuff makes sense is considering the supposed scenario where the 718 lives on until something like 2022 / 2023 and these models are metered out over that period and also represent a sort of swansong for combustion sports cars at the same time.

I definitely cannot see Porsche releasing a Cayman GT4, Boxster Spyder, Cayman GT4 Touring, Cayman GT4 RS, 718 Boxster 6 and 718 Cayman 6 all in the space of a year or 18 months.

When was it that we first saw 718 Cayman GT4 mules? At least as long ago as November 2017, so that'll be about 18 months, perhaps a little more, between first sighting and reveal. So we could be looking at late next year or even 2021 for the 718 6, should such a car actually exist. Could make sense as a final gift to nasp combustion sports car enthusiasts before the car dies in 2022 or whatever.

nudgerwilliams

117 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th February
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cmoose said:
I think if Porsche is worried that they won't be able to shift the things, there's zero chance they'd increase the number of offerings.

Each model costs money to bring to market and a strategy of more models, each with a lower volume is hardly a goer, especially in the context of WLTP.

For me the only way all this stuff makes sense is considering the supposed scenario where the 718 lives on until something like 2022 / 2023 and these models are metered out over that period and also represent a sort of swansong for combustion sports cars at the same time.

I definitely cannot see Porsche releasing a Cayman GT4, Boxster Spyder, Cayman GT4 Touring, Cayman GT4 RS, 718 Boxster 6 and 718 Cayman 6 all in the space of a year or 18 months.

When was it that we first saw 718 Cayman GT4 mules? At least as long ago as November 2017, so that'll be about 18 months, perhaps a little more, between first sighting and reveal. So we could be looking at late next year or even 2021 for the 718 6, should such a car actually exist. Could make sense as a final gift to nasp combustion sports car enthusiasts before the car dies in 2022 or whatever.
Presumably Cayman 6 = GT4 Touring? I can see why Cayman 6 and Boxster 6 would make sense as a way of covering cost of developing the motor, provided they are confident of shifting them of course.

Fokker

3,284 posts

160 months

Tuesday 12th February
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I think Cayman 6 could have more of a normal look and be less GT4 hence the supposed hike in power to 425hp for the GT4.
I think it'll just be a 6 cylinder GTS type affair.

Makes you wonder why the majority of buyers would bother when they can have a nice gen 1 GT4 for £80 - 85k.



Edited by Fokker on Tuesday 12th February 13:53

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February
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nudgerwilliams said:
Presumably Cayman 6 = GT4 Touring?
Don't think so, no. The '6' model purportedly has significantly less power than the GT4. Of course, the 'GT4 Touring' thing may be a product of someone getting a whiff of a the '6' and misinterpreting it. It may be one or other rather than both...

Twinfan

3,270 posts

42 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Fokker said:
I think Cayman 6 could have more of a normal look and be less GT4 hence the supposed hike in power to 425hp for the GT4.
I think it'll just be a 6 cylinder GTS type affair.

Makes you wonder why the majority of buyers would bother when they can have a nice gen 1 GT4 for £80 - 85k.
Or a 981 GTS with a bit less power for <£60k.

I agree, it's a bit of a non-car unless you want to spec something new.

Fokker

3,284 posts

160 months

Tuesday 12th February
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cmoose said:
Don't think so, no. The '6' model purportedly has significantly less power than the GT4. Of course, the 'GT4 Touring' thing may be a product of someone getting a whiff of a the '6' and misinterpreting it. It may be one or other rather than both...
I don't see the point of a touring Cayman GT4.
I'm pretty sure that's just it, it's the '6' that someone has interpreted as a Touring.

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th February
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You could equally ask why anyone would buy a 981 GT4 when they could have had a 997.2 GT3 for the same money. Etc.

It ultimately isn't the point. People are often only interested in new.

Certainly, I'd rather go wingless, so if the '6' is 981 GT4 power, maybe available with smaller wheels than the GT4, maybe has better steering than the 981 GT4, it might actually be preferable. Would be quite a desirable car, potentially. I will be amazed if it actually happens!