The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!

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Beefmeister

16,482 posts

229 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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mr pg said:
av185 said:
Liking the ambassadorial role bit.
Another name for a vlogger..
I know three who have tried and failed, all with serious online presence!

JD.

38 posts

155 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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@isaldiri - I do not agree. The OPC letter above does not say "stay in touch, keep showing interest." It says you are not getting a car.

AP comment says "no writing letters" but you are suggesting if I keep writing letters or "stay in touch" then I "might" get a car based on allocation slots.

AP's comment is saying, I don't have to write letters, I can go and buy a car. And I can't. And OPC have confirmed that I don't "qualify" as a potential customer of this car. To me that makes AP's statement entirely inaccurate

TrackNutz

164 posts

75 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Pretty much confirms there will be limited numbers and yet again certain Porsche officials tell people what they want to hear at press events but in reality it's business as usual. Very sad.

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Beefmeister said:
mr pg said:
av185 said:
Liking the ambassadorial role bit.
Another name for a vlogger..
I know three who have tried and failed, all with serious online presence!
Yes but those who think they are 'entitled' to a car with no buying history etc would appear to think 'online presence' amounts to a few random posts on Pistonheads.

JD.

38 posts

155 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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In my opinion as the figure head and spokesperson for the GT department, it kind of is his responsibility to understand that certain markets are different, when making such a bold statement. This quote was actually to a CARMagazine editor, a UK magazine... Just my personal opinion. When speaking to local press you usually do give geographic/location relevant info.

isaldiri

18,412 posts

167 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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JD. said:
@isaldiri - I do not agree. The OPC letter above does not say "stay in touch, keep showing interest." It says you are not getting a car.

AP comment says "no writing letters" but you are suggesting if I keep writing letters or "stay in touch" then I "might" get a car based on allocation slots.

AP's comment is saying, I don't have to write letters, I can go and buy a car. And I can't. And OPC have confirmed that I don't "qualify" as a potential customer of this car. To me that makes AP's statement entirely inaccurate
Look, the OPC has probably been flooded by letters like yours enquiring about the car as it is the latest shiny new thing. Right now they are always going to play hard to get in order to try and get people 'down the line' to buy various cars to try to climb the pecking order but as build slots come through later when the car isn't the flavour of the month/week/day some of the initial interest always drops out.

Yes I am suggesting if you truly want a car so badly you should stay in touch and maybe you'll get a later car. If you want to order a car straight off the bat, you probably can - in europe. AP's comments might still apply, just not for a rhd one but as far as he's concerned a lhd car is the same thing....

JD.

38 posts

155 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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I get what you are saying, but I (wrongly) thought they would perhaps take an order / configuration but tell you it may be some time before your slot is put into production. Instead they are doing the usual GT thing of saying "sorry you don't buy enough from us."

I knew deep down that this was how it was all going to be, but Andreas' comment made it seem like things would be different this time!

davidc1

1,544 posts

161 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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JD. said:
JD. said:
So basically the quote from Porsche themselves, which read something like "we are proud that enthusiasts won't have to write letters and will actually be able to buy the car this time round" was.... complete crap?!
edit: from Andreas P himself

"One thing we learned from the last GT4 is a lot of people couldn’t get one. Now we’re really proud enthusiasts can buy the car, rather than write letters"
where was this quote/article please?

JD.

38 posts

155 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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They do quote "Andreas Preuninger revealed to CARMagazine" - So I'd have thought he'd known its a UK audience / magazine. I'm sure he is a busy guy though!

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...

The availability quote is about half way down somewhere.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

229 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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anonymous said:
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As old Moosey says, this was likely in a press conference not a one to one situation. Most likely an error on APs part that he probably couldn’t give a f**k about hehe

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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JD. said:
I get what you are saying, but I (wrongly) thought they would perhaps take an order / configuration but tell you it may be some time before your slot is put into production. Instead they are doing the usual GT thing of saying "sorry you don't buy enough from us."
Porsche don't take orders until they have a build slot allocated at the factory to fulfill it.

There were ~600 GT4s last time and a reasonable expectation would probably be ~800 cars this time. Divided by 30-odd OPCs that's roughly 25 cars per centre. Given the demand for GT cars, they may know that they have a line of 50+ people with an OPC relationship that want a car and so they can turn away now the people they know stand zero chance of getting one.

Nisher

28 posts

74 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Twinfan said:
Porsche don't take orders until they have a build slot allocated at the factory to fulfill it.

There were ~600 GT4s last time and a reasonable expectation would probably be ~800 cars this time. Divided by 30-odd OPCs that's roughly 25 cars per centre. Given the demand for GT cars, they may know that they have a line of 50+ people with an OPC relationship that want a car and so they can turn away now the people they know stand zero chance of getting one.
There are over 40 UK dealers, which would mean less than 20 cars each.

pete.g

1,527 posts

205 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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My take on this is that some people are like those who queue overnight at Apple Stores to be the first to have the new best thing ever, even though the old thing was actually fine.

I'm pretty sure no-one on here is carless, so if you can't get a 718 GT4, either be happy with what you've got or buy something that's available for £85k plus, which is a nice problem to have.

We have been through all this before with the last GT4 - my OPC doesn't love me, which colour, what stitching, 'must have' cosmetic fripperies and always, always, how much is it worth this week?






tedblog

1,438 posts

79 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Arent gt cars a £10k deposit
Around 100 981 gt4s are sorn at present.
Yes it does help knowing someone at an opc . But they will take all their allocation and then wait . Some fulfill this and some dont . Best to ring round

Edited by tedblog on Thursday 20th June 13:44

RSD 25

560 posts

202 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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pete.g said:
My take on this is that some people are like those who queue overnight at Apple Stores to be the first to have the new best thing ever, even though the old thing was actually fine.

I'm pretty sure no-one on here is carless, so if you can't get a 718 GT4, either be happy with what you've got or buy something that's available for £85k plus, which is a nice problem to have.

We have been through all this before with the last GT4 - my OPC doesn't love me, which colour, what stitching, 'must have' cosmetic fripperies and always, always, how much is it worth this week?
Great point. The more i think about 981 GT4's, the more i think to myself, is there any need to wait around for the new car when the old one was a masterpiece? Or be patient & see if anyone's (preferably) cancelled their 718 GT4 & the OPC somehow (extremely unlikely) offers you that slot? In another way, it's like being with a lady you really like & been dating since the last GT4 won ECOTY, only to have doubts when someone younger & more attractive comes into your life.

Same thing.

Then again, the new car isn't available in my personal favourite colour of the 981. Sapphire blue! As well as the fact that all the attentions been diverted to new car, which means...... A very unlikely chance of getting one slightly cheaper... And i somehow think the 981 still looks nicer too.

Also, i still own the same iPhone i bought in 2016 (iPhone SE no less!) & won't change it till it dies no matter how tempting the newest phone's are.

Elvorfin

187 posts

196 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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RSD 25 said:
Great point. The more i think about 981 GT4's, the more i think to myself, is there any need to wait around for the new car when the old one was a masterpiece? Or be patient & see if anyone's (preferably) cancelled their 718 GT4 & the OPC somehow (extremely unlikely) offers you that slot? In another way, it's like being with a lady you really like & been dating since the last GT4 won ECOTY, only to have doubts when someone younger & more attractive comes into your life.

Same thing.

Then again, the new car isn't available in my personal favourite colour of the 981. Sapphire blue! As well as the fact that all the attentions been diverted to new car, which means...... A very unlikely chance of getting one slightly cheaper... And i somehow think the 981 still looks nicer too.

Also, i still own the same iPhone i bought in 2016 (iPhone SE no less!) & won't change it till it dies no matter how tempting the newest phone's are.
Like everyone else on here I've been waiting with baited breath on the 718 GT4 being announced, and immediately trotted off to my OPC to be told that they didn't knw anything about how many, and when.

Having subsequently played with the configurator ad nauseum I'm in the position that I'm going to have to shell out between 20ish k to get a 718 GT4 in a similar spec to the 981 GT4 I currently have owned since new in a colour I don't really want, and that's before we get into the "oh sir it's the old model so your car is suddenly worth 10k less to us" crap that is inevitable.

In the end I specced my car for me, not for resale (though turns out it is the right spec for resale) and I love it, much as I'd like a 718 I'm starting to think I'll stick with what I've got rather than spend 20k + on something that's the wrong colour, doesn't sound so good for the sake of the latest shiny shiny, with an additional 35hp.

Whether that logic prevails when the OPC calls me offering a slot remains to be seen, but for now I think I'll hold.



TDT

4,910 posts

118 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Elvorfin said:
Having subsequently played with the configurator ad nauseum I'm in the position that I'm going to have to shell out between 20ish k to get a 718 GT4 in a similar spec to the 981 GT4 I currently have owned since new in a colour I don't really want, and that's before we get into the "oh sir it's the old model so your car is suddenly worth 10k less to us" crap that is inevitable.
Lol - that punch in the gut....

Stunters

575 posts

193 months

Thursday 20th June 2019
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Did somebody mention Sapphire Blue? wink



Here's mine at Rockingham, last August. I wonder whether this is sufficiently 'ambassadorial' to help with my 718 allocation!

freedman

5,395 posts

206 months

Friday 21st June 2019
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Stunters said:
Did somebody mention Sapphire Blue? wink



Here's mine at Rockingham, last August. I wonder whether this is sufficiently 'ambassadorial' to help with my 718 allocation!
Stunning, clap

Olderandwiser22

173 posts

90 months

Friday 21st June 2019
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So I’ve managed to spec mine to £84k.... I intend to drive the thing - 10-12k a year - not like many of you pussies out there.

White, buckets, club sport, chrono, black with silver stitching, silver belts.

Anyone want to hazard a guess to what it will be worth in 3 years - I’m thinking £37k?

That’s approx 50% depreciation from the £75k new price - cause we all know the extras are worth squat on trade in.

And let’s be realistic about this - no over inflated estimates please.