The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
Discussion
This debate is frankly bizarre. There is precisely no official commentary saying that the new GT4 is an F4T. However there are quotes that state the the GT division prefer NA and F6 is their preferred configuration. It’s therefore not a wild leap to believe that the next GT4 will be a naturally aspirated flat 6.
Also, I suspect sales of the F4T have been utterly s
t. I believe this because the Cayman GTS has a deposit contribution online and a number of potential buyers of the car won’t touch it because it sounds awful. I can’t imagine that Porsche’s GT division is looking at all the negative press and thinking - let’s get some of that action!
Also I doubt the next GT4 is going to be £70k, I reckon £80k minimum probably £90k.
Also, I suspect sales of the F4T have been utterly s
t. I believe this because the Cayman GTS has a deposit contribution online and a number of potential buyers of the car won’t touch it because it sounds awful. I can’t imagine that Porsche’s GT division is looking at all the negative press and thinking - let’s get some of that action!Also I doubt the next GT4 is going to be £70k, I reckon £80k minimum probably £90k.
anonymous said:
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I don’t think they do prevent NA specifically but maybe they do because of the tests they have to meet....but do any of the other majors actually make NA engines any more? I’ve no idea but do BMW, Audi or Merc even sell NA cars ?!?!The one thing that we all know really matters is cost and the cheapest solution is absolutely a F4T. After that I don’t know what’s cheaper but it will probably be cheaper to use the F6T from the Carrera or Carrera S in terms of the engine cost than use a 4.0 NA engine. Which one of those easier and cheaper to fit into the 718 I have no idea.
So I think a combination of the cost implications and my amateurish understanding of emissions regs makes an NA engine the least likely but the engineers will deffo be doing all they can to get an NA engine in the car.
J-P said:
Also I doubt the next GT4 is going to be £70k, I reckon £80k minimum probably £90k.
Doubtful it will be over early £70ks. 981 was £65k. Gen 2 GT3 only 10% increase on gen1.Unlike 911 the Cayman has a ceiling price, even in GT4 form.
Also don't forget the Cayman/Boxster role reversal for the price wise for the 718.
With the gt3 allocations being locked in now as time is running out for us UK and Europe, dosnt that mean that if the gt4 was coming with a N.A. engine that too should be being locked in now as well ?
Carnt see a de tuned 4L engine being any more efficient and look at the old gt4 with the de tuned 3.8 that's not any better than the original engine spec and if anything it's worse as mine loves fuel lol
But we live in hope I guess and at least Porsche daired to do one Cayman with a 911 engine in, even if they had to skupple it to slow it down as not to upset the all mighty 911 and that's the biggest problem
Carnt see a de tuned 4L engine being any more efficient and look at the old gt4 with the de tuned 3.8 that's not any better than the original engine spec and if anything it's worse as mine loves fuel lol
But we live in hope I guess and at least Porsche daired to do one Cayman with a 911 engine in, even if they had to skupple it to slow it down as not to upset the all mighty 911 and that's the biggest problem
otisdog said:
Okay - I have a source who states the GT4 will have a 420 hp NA six, and the GT4 RS will have a 480 hp NA six. I have no credibility here, rarely post, and don't partake in pissing matches here, so take it as you will.
But Focker isn't the only one making that claim...
PDK or Manual?But Focker isn't the only one making that claim...
anonymous said:
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Well you are also just a random of the internet but with one big difference you have no real input just words.If you carnt tell the difference between a screaming flat 6 and an engine that's got a turbo strapped to it then God help you, but I can.
You keep on salting and coming out with all sort of silly things as to why it won't be a 4L and for you I hope it is as it sounds like you are going to be very disappointed if it's not, I can see many good reasons for a 4L in the next car and also many good reasons for it not and the more time goes on and with all the stuff going on with the gt3 engine the more it looks like just a dream and for myself right from the start I did think that Porsche putting a flat 6 N.A. in the 718 would be very silly as it sends out a very strange message to anyone that is buying a new 718 Cayman and even more so a spider. Can see Porsche now answering the questions why, well the flat 4 turbo engine is just not good enough for the top off the range cars but fine for you have sir in your 718 so please buy
anonymous said:
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No need to 're post it all as you only need to go back a page or two to read all the for and against But NO one on here knows what is going on as its all just talk and until Porsche release something that is all it ever will be
The only thing i do know, is that the test mule I saw and heard was turbo charged, what that test mule was is anybody's guess but it was 100% not NA
DuncGTS said:
Well you are also just a random of the internet but with one big difference you have no real input just words.
If you carnt tell the difference between a screaming flat 6 and an engine that's got a turbo strapped to it then God help you, but I can.
You keep on salting and coming out with all sort of silly things as to why it won't be a 4L and for you I hope it is as it sounds like you are going to be very disappointed if it's not, I can see many good reasons for a 4L in the next car and also many good reasons for it not and the more time goes on and with all the stuff going on with the gt3 engine the more it looks like just a dream and for myself right from the start I did think that Porsche putting a flat 6 N.A. in the 718 would be very silly as it sends out a very strange message to anyone that is buying a new 718 Cayman and even more so a spider. Can see Porsche now answering the questions why, well the flat 4 turbo engine is just not good enough for the top off the range cars but fine for you have sir in your 718 so please buy
I think the market is telling Porsche that the F4T is not good enough. Porsche would be pretty silly to continue to put it in their top of the range cars. Your point about top of the range cars is utterly fatuous. The C63AMG has a completely different engine to it than a C220d, so whatever. Either you can afford the C63 and want that engine or you don’t and can’t - simples.If you carnt tell the difference between a screaming flat 6 and an engine that's got a turbo strapped to it then God help you, but I can.
You keep on salting and coming out with all sort of silly things as to why it won't be a 4L and for you I hope it is as it sounds like you are going to be very disappointed if it's not, I can see many good reasons for a 4L in the next car and also many good reasons for it not and the more time goes on and with all the stuff going on with the gt3 engine the more it looks like just a dream and for myself right from the start I did think that Porsche putting a flat 6 N.A. in the 718 would be very silly as it sends out a very strange message to anyone that is buying a new 718 Cayman and even more so a spider. Can see Porsche now answering the questions why, well the flat 4 turbo engine is just not good enough for the top off the range cars but fine for you have sir in your 718 so please buy
It’ wouldn’t shock me if they pull out all the stops on this gt4 due to the slow sales of the main line 718. It also wouldn’t shock me if it lands far quicker than expected, porsche are master at creating hype and doing things to fuel interest into the brand. Let’s not kid ourselves the only reason we have seen pic of the mule is to finalise testing and fuel interest.
A few people have touched on the new 6 pot turbo, at the moment this does seem the most obvious engine due to emissions as porsche have gone on record recently saying no GT cars will be 4 cylinders. I know some on here still choice to ignore this and I guess these people are only trying to wind others up.
As this is technically a second generation run car It wouldn’t shock me if they reduce build numbers....
If it does turn out to be a NA 4.0 built in reduced numbers we will end up with hell of a car, I’m sure the dealers phones are already red hot and they are taking names.
A few people have touched on the new 6 pot turbo, at the moment this does seem the most obvious engine due to emissions as porsche have gone on record recently saying no GT cars will be 4 cylinders. I know some on here still choice to ignore this and I guess these people are only trying to wind others up.
As this is technically a second generation run car It wouldn’t shock me if they reduce build numbers....
If it does turn out to be a NA 4.0 built in reduced numbers we will end up with hell of a car, I’m sure the dealers phones are already red hot and they are taking names.
It’ wouldn’t shock me if they pull out all the stops on this gt4 due to the slow sales of the main line 718. It also wouldn’t shock me if it lands far quicker than expected, porsche are master at creating hype and doing things to fuel interest into the brand. Let’s not kid ourselves the only reason we have seen pic of the mule is to finalise testing and fuel interest.
A few people have touched on the new 6 pot turbo, at the moment this does seem the most obvious engine due to emissions as porsche have gone on record recently saying no GT cars will be 4 cylinders. I know some on here still choice to ignore this and I guess these people are only trying to wind others up.
As this is technically a second generation run car It wouldn’t shock me if they reduce build numbers....
If it does turn out to be a NA 4.0 built in reduced numbers we will end up with hell of a car, I’m sure the dealers phones are already red hot and they are taking names.
A few people have touched on the new 6 pot turbo, at the moment this does seem the most obvious engine due to emissions as porsche have gone on record recently saying no GT cars will be 4 cylinders. I know some on here still choice to ignore this and I guess these people are only trying to wind others up.
As this is technically a second generation run car It wouldn’t shock me if they reduce build numbers....
If it does turn out to be a NA 4.0 built in reduced numbers we will end up with hell of a car, I’m sure the dealers phones are already red hot and they are taking names.
TrackNutz said:
The comment that PDK wouldn't fit in a GT4 did make me laugh. What a spanner.
Both the 981 and 718 have PDK's, GT4 is no different whatsoever.
There's not actually much difference in size between the manual and PDK, just a sump pan on the PDK and an extra cooler or two on the side.
And the GT4 Clubsport race car has PDK tooBoth the 981 and 718 have PDK's, GT4 is no different whatsoever.
There's not actually much difference in size between the manual and PDK, just a sump pan on the PDK and an extra cooler or two on the side.
GT4RS said:
It’ wouldn’t shock me if they pull out all the stops on this gt4 ...
One strong reason could be GT4 racing too. The current Cayman Clubsport lives up to the spirit of the class, with strong performance and reasonable pricing. The new AMG GT and R8 are designed very differently and much more expensively. Porsche needs an answer if they want to be competitive racing in this classGT4RS said:
It’ wouldn’t shock me if they pull out all the stops on this gt4 due to the slow sales of the main line 718.
Where do you get this from? At various points I have been considering a 718 Cayman S, waiting list was 6 months. I ordered one 6 months ago and converted it to a CGTS. Just spoke to my local OPC (Cambridge), they are sold out of CGTS's until November. And people have only been able to get cars sooner as they've increase the allocation to the UK due to a shutdown in June/July/August.boitjie said:
GT4RS said:
It’ wouldn’t shock me if they pull out all the stops on this gt4 due to the slow sales of the main line 718.
Where do you get this from? At various points I have been considering a 718 Cayman S, waiting list was 6 months. I ordered one 6 months ago and converted it to a CGTS. Just spoke to my local OPC (Cambridge), they are sold out of CGTS's until November. And people have only been able to get cars sooner as they've increase the allocation to the UK due to a shutdown in June/July/August.FASTER
BETTER HANDLING
BETTER INTERIOR and TECH
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
MORE TORQUE FOR EVERY DAY USE
reading all the moaning is like hearing those old farts moaning at work about how things were better 20 years ago. It obviously wasn’t or it wouldn’t have changed.
Then again I’m a first time Porsche buyer so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing. But I do know if I had the option to get the old engine or the new I’d pick the new. Shame people don’t have the choice in the new model. Would shut a lot of people up.
New GT4...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfoWDKzh7h8/
EDIT: Original poster said this....
spotted testing.
Defniately sounds different to the old red gt4 behind it . 4.0ltr !!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfoWDKzh7h8/
EDIT: Original poster said this....
spotted testing.
Defniately sounds different to the old red gt4 behind it . 4.0ltr !!
Edited by TomEdward on Sunday 25th February 19:09
TomEdward said:
Great spot. Original poster included a second pic:https://instagram.com/p/BfoHYUYHiWs/
BE57JAM said:
At the risk of being unpopular - all this 718 hate is pure toy throwing and tantrums IMO because the old guard aren’t getting what they want. I’ll be as fair as I can and assume the guys making all the fuss are people that loved the old car and are sad they aren’t getting an upgrade to the formula they’re used to. I can sympathise with that. But the 718 is a BETTER CAR IN EVERY WAY. the amount of air time given to the engine and exhaust note is embarrassing. Totally disproportionate.
FASTER
BETTER HANDLING
BETTER INTERIOR and TECH
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
MORE TORQUE FOR EVERY DAY USE
reading all the moaning is like hearing those old farts moaning at work about how things were better 20 years ago. It obviously wasn’t or it wouldn’t have changed.
Then again I’m a first time Porsche buyer so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing. But I do know if I had the option to get the old engine or the new I’d pick the new. Shame people don’t have the choice in the new model. Would shut a lot of people up.
Having just spent 2 days with a 718 Cayman S the first thing that hit me was how fast it was. It really is silly fast but faster doesn't necessarily make it better than its predecessor. Its also too clinical and not very involving and its not a car that I would covet. The fact that the engine sounds better between 1K and 3K says a lot. The interior feels very much like my Macan which is not a bad thing if its a daily driver and the fuel economy isn't better in fact its worse than my 3.6 NA 997. The car looks a little better in GTS trim but its just a faster and slightly better trimmed version of the S which is great if the S is already a great car, but it isn't. The GT4 need six cylinders, either NA or with turbo I don't mind which.FASTER
BETTER HANDLING
BETTER INTERIOR and TECH
BETTER FUEL ECONOMY
MORE TORQUE FOR EVERY DAY USE
reading all the moaning is like hearing those old farts moaning at work about how things were better 20 years ago. It obviously wasn’t or it wouldn’t have changed.
Then again I’m a first time Porsche buyer so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing. But I do know if I had the option to get the old engine or the new I’d pick the new. Shame people don’t have the choice in the new model. Would shut a lot of people up.
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