The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
Discussion
CrashBang said:
Indulge me - What are the chances of getting a GT4 with no previous buying history from an OPC?
Is sales buying history the only thing that matters? As in dealings with the service department are irrelevant?
Spark the conversation with your opc they can only say no. No harm I trying, one of my clients bought a new Porsche Gt4 with no buying history or dealings with service. Is sales buying history the only thing that matters? As in dealings with the service department are irrelevant?
Never say never, but it wouldn’t shock me if most are already spoken for.
GT4RS said:
CrashBang said:
Indulge me - What are the chances of getting a GT4 with no previous buying history from an OPC?
Is sales buying history the only thing that matters? As in dealings with the service department are irrelevant?
Spark the conversation with your opc they can only say no. No harm I trying, one of my clients bought a new Porsche Gt4 with no buying history or dealings with service. Is sales buying history the only thing that matters? As in dealings with the service department are irrelevant?
Never say never, but it wouldn’t shock me if most are already spoken for.
Nisher said:
My OPC told me they look at customers for GT cars based loosely around the following -
1. Have previously bought cars from them.
2. Are local to the dealership.
3. Have spent on services there.
4. Are they likely to flip it?
Points 2,3 and 4 are largely irrelevant for most franchised and privately owned OPCs.1. Have previously bought cars from them.
2. Are local to the dealership.
3. Have spent on services there.
4. Are they likely to flip it?
Of much more significance are whether they trust you for future business and how many new vanilla models you have bought each year also how much they can make ££ against preferably recent GT cars you give them back in part exchange.
av185 said:
Nisher said:
My OPC told me they look at customers for GT cars based loosely around the following -
1. Have previously bought cars from them.
2. Are local to the dealership.
3. Have spent on services there.
4. Are they likely to flip it?
Points 2,3 and 4 are largely irrelevant for most franchised and privately owned OPCs.1. Have previously bought cars from them.
2. Are local to the dealership.
3. Have spent on services there.
4. Are they likely to flip it?
Of much more significance are whether they trust you for future business and how many new vanilla models you have bought each year also how much they can make ££ against preferably recent GT cars you give them back in part exchange.
Not just for GT cars...that goes for any of the more limited volume cars like Targa's or a Turbo S. I am also pretty sure that they also look at if you're a customer of another OPC on the Porsche GB database if you're after something like a Turbo S.
Cheib said:
I know for my OPC being local is very important to them. They know that if you're local you're much more likely to sell the car back to them in the future.
Not just for GT cars...that goes for any of the more limited volume cars like Targa's or a Turbo S. I am also pretty sure that they also look at if you're a customer of another OPC on the Porsche GB database if you're after something like a Turbo S.
+ 1 Not just for GT cars...that goes for any of the more limited volume cars like Targa's or a Turbo S. I am also pretty sure that they also look at if you're a customer of another OPC on the Porsche GB database if you're after something like a Turbo S.
This is correct
Cheib said:
I know for my OPC being local is very important to them.
Last time round i was too late to the party for a GT4; but contacted c25 OPCs for a 981 Spyder. I got one from an OPC not local to me & where i had no previous relationship with (ok, its not a GT car but was still highly sort after). it was timing - a customer decided to pull out & I was in the right place at the right time. That was two years ago & since then I bought a new Cayenne Plat Edition earlier this year from same OPC. i pass three other OPCs before going to this dealership. I get on very well with my sales contact there & put in a LOI for the 718 GT4 back in 2016. Since buying the Spyder i have been in regular contact with them & I'am very hopeful for an allocation for a GT4 - just going on very positive conversations with them. For me/this OPC - being local doesn't matter. I think business relationships are key.Edited by GameofCars on Wednesday 28th February 09:14
Cheib said:
av185 said:
Nisher said:
My OPC told me they look at customers for GT cars based loosely around the following -
1. Have previously bought cars from them.
2. Are local to the dealership.
3. Have spent on services there.
4. Are they likely to flip it?
Points 2,3 and 4 are largely irrelevant for most franchised and privately owned OPCs.1. Have previously bought cars from them.
2. Are local to the dealership.
3. Have spent on services there.
4. Are they likely to flip it?
Of much more significance are whether they trust you for future business and how many new vanilla models you have bought each year also how much they can make ££ against preferably recent GT cars you give them back in part exchange.
Not just for GT cars...that goes for any of the more limited volume cars like Targa's or a Turbo S. I am also pretty sure that they also look at if you're a customer of another OPC on the Porsche GB database if you're after something like a Turbo S.
Point 4 affects their future allocations, if Porsche UK see all the cars from a certain dealer being flipped, they will not be happy.
Porsche have started to firm up on the flippers and opc are very caution on where there allocated cars end up, local is very important to most centres as this allows them to have slightly more control of future stock.
Flipping a gt car on with low mileage will have an effect on your future allocations of GT product. They are aware that a some have been bought by the wrong type of client in the last few years and are trying to slowly rectify this.
Examples on the wrong type of client in porsche eyes.
Someone only looking to make a profit.
Someone who moans the ride is to hard and the breaks are noisy, in porsche eyes this person is more suited to the GTS
They want these cars to be driven and seen on the roads.
Wouldn’t it be nice if these cars got uses as intended
Flipping a gt car on with low mileage will have an effect on your future allocations of GT product. They are aware that a some have been bought by the wrong type of client in the last few years and are trying to slowly rectify this.
Examples on the wrong type of client in porsche eyes.
Someone only looking to make a profit.
Someone who moans the ride is to hard and the breaks are noisy, in porsche eyes this person is more suited to the GTS
They want these cars to be driven and seen on the roads.
Wouldn’t it be nice if these cars got uses as intended
Nisher said:
Cheib said:
av185 said:
Nisher said:
My OPC told me they look at customers for GT cars based loosely around the following -
1. Have previously bought cars from them.
2. Are local to the dealership.
3. Have spent on services there.
4. Are they likely to flip it?
Points 2,3 and 4 are largely irrelevant for most franchised and privately owned OPCs.1. Have previously bought cars from them.
2. Are local to the dealership.
3. Have spent on services there.
4. Are they likely to flip it?
Of much more significance are whether they trust you for future business and how many new vanilla models you have bought each year also how much they can make ££ against preferably recent GT cars you give them back in part exchange.
Not just for GT cars...that goes for any of the more limited volume cars like Targa's or a Turbo S. I am also pretty sure that they also look at if you're a customer of another OPC on the Porsche GB database if you're after something like a Turbo S.
Point 4 affects their future allocations, if Porsche UK see all the cars from a certain dealer being flipped, they will not be happy.
I've said this few times on PH... Porsche GB do not care about flipping, they are merely an importer with outsourced staff. Porsche Germany probably care, but how may people have a lot hotline to Germany to complain about what's going on!
n17ves said:
I've said this few times on PH... Porsche GB do not care about flipping,
It could be said that Porsche actually encourage flipping.The GT4 flipping scenario before OPCs were prevented from advertising and reselling flipped cars for 6 months resulted in articles and excellent Press coverage in the Financial times and weekend papers.
What better advertising and brand building could Porsche have wished for.
n17ves said:
Several OPC's suggest they use the above 'criteria', but they don't! Its just an easy way to fob people off with out any quantitative data that can be questioned when allocations are given. Relationship is key, but sadly that can lead to some very unorthodox behaviour in some instances.
I've said this few times on PH... Porsche GB do not care about flipping, they are merely an importer with outsourced staff. Porsche Germany probably care, but how may people have a lot hotline to Germany to complain about what's going on!
You are probably right. The OPC's want to be seen to be using this criteria but in reality its the relationship with your sales person/Manager at the OPC that counts. I've said this few times on PH... Porsche GB do not care about flipping, they are merely an importer with outsourced staff. Porsche Germany probably care, but how may people have a lot hotline to Germany to complain about what's going on!
Flipping is only frowned upon by the OPC when its done so through another independent dealer.If a flipper flips it back through the original supplying OPC then its fine in the OPC's eyes .
I've seen enough examples ot this happening..And before anyone quips in i've never partaken in this nefarious money making scheme.
I've seen enough examples ot this happening..And before anyone quips in i've never partaken in this nefarious money making scheme.
http://en.brinkwire.com/177175/2019-porsche-718-ca...
Not new information, but does suggest a difference in sound back to back with the 981 GT4.
Not new information, but does suggest a difference in sound back to back with the 981 GT4.
I don't know about OPC or Porsche GB taking a negative view on flipping, but all I know is that I wasn't given an allocation for a GT3 (fine, i get it) but then the OPC subsequently offers me 2 different unregistered, undelivered GT3s for 190k. This i find completely ludicrous. If Porsche GB was honestly seriously thinking about stopping flipping, they would ban OPCs from being able to sell any model of car above List price for a few years after release. That would put a few people off.
cypriot said:
I don't know about OPC or Porsche GB taking a negative view on flipping, but all I know is that I wasn't given an allocation for a GT3 (fine, i get it) but then the OPC subsequently offers me 2 different unregistered, undelivered GT3s for 190k.
That is taking the absolute piss!Twinfan said:
cypriot said:
I don't know about OPC or Porsche GB taking a negative view on flipping, but all I know is that I wasn't given an allocation for a GT3 (fine, i get it) but then the OPC subsequently offers me 2 different unregistered, undelivered GT3s for 190k.
That is taking the absolute piss!In fact OPCs cannot sell new and unregistered cars over list.
OPCs can sell registered and or used cars over list but no GT Porsche or halo cars can be physically ADVERTISED FOR SALE.
cypriot said:
I don't know about OPC or Porsche GB taking a negative view on flipping, but all I know is that I wasn't given an allocation for a GT3 (fine, i get it) but then the OPC subsequently offers me 2 different unregistered, undelivered GT3s for 190k. This i find completely ludicrous. If Porsche GB was honestly seriously thinking about stopping flipping, they would ban OPCs from being able to sell any model of car above List price for a few years after release. That would put a few people off.
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