718 Sound and Constant Whinging !

718 Sound and Constant Whinging !

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bob2146

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201 posts

73 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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IS anyone else tiring of the constant whinging re the 718's engine note ?

Maybe it's just me but some reviews and comments seem to exaggerate this out of all proportion. A lot of these tests are not always balanced either. Chris Harris's comparison of a 718 at cruise vs an accelerating 981 is a good example. Not a fair comparison, at all. Having driven both I can say I definitely liked the F6, but at cruising speed it droned as well.

Carfection's latest review was the final straw, I mean come on ! Great road and all but please stop the whinging ! It is really misleading, I've read so much commentary on this it really detracts from what is a great car.

Budflicker

3,799 posts

183 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Have you bought a 718 and are worried about the residuals compared to the F6 cars before maybe?weeping

As Henry said in the Carfection video, the sound is a disappointment. If the 718 GTS had a flat 6 NA engine it would be awesome in aspects, unfortunately it doesn't and isn't. Still a fantastic car I'm suredriving

That being said I thought my 996 C4S with PSE sounded way better than the 991.2 GTS i drove with a F6 Turbo, so maybe I'm just hard to please?

It's a shame as a new porsche has long been a dream of mine so a 718 GTS or 991.2 GTS really should be what i buy, just can't like the noise they make.


undred orse

964 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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I agree and I’ve already said this on here. I’m sick to death of it and the superior attitude displayed very often that accompanies the snide anti 718 comments. I’d expect better of a car enthusiasts forum but it is sickening how people are taking pleasure in trotting out the same tired comments often without properly trying a 718.

DJMC

3,431 posts

102 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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bob2146 said:
IS anyone else tiring of the constant whinging re the 718's engine note ?

Maybe it's just me but some reviews and comments seem to exaggerate this out of all proportion. A lot of these tests are not always balanced either. Chris Harris's comparison of a 718 at cruise vs an accelerating 981 is a good example. Not a fair comparison, at all. Having driven both I can say I definitely liked the F6, but at cruising speed it droned as well.

Carfection's latest review was the final straw, I mean come on ! Great road and all but please stop the whinging ! It is really misleading, I've read so much commentary on this it really detracts from what is a great car.
At the 718 launch at Solihull OPC I actually laughed out loud when they started one in the showroom.

I test drove a 718S extensively on road and track for CAR magazine and the sound was acceptable but not as good as my 981 2.7.

My 981 has never droned. I have driven around 20k motorway miles in it (sad but true) and at cruising speed only the tyre noise is noticeable. I do not have PSE but indeed that does drone at cruising speeds during my experiences in two 981 test and courtesy cars. PSE was switched off on these occasions.

I hope my subjective response is helpful.

OP... which do you own? 981 or 718?

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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It's not great for the majority of people though is it? PCGB recently had a poll and 75% of people responding preferred the 981 to the 718.

If you like the 718, or are not bothered by the sound either way, then good for you. You have to accept you're in the minority and stop complaining about it though, otherwise you're just doing what you're moaning about...

DJMC

3,431 posts

102 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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undred orse said:
I agree and I’ve already said this on here. I’m sick to death of it and the superior attitude displayed very often that accompanies the snide anti 718 comments. I’d expect better of a car enthusiasts forum but it is sickening how people are taking pleasure in trotting out the same tired comments often without properly trying a 718.
When someone starts a "same tired" thread it's difficult not to once again comment. Your post shows you agree and you had to comment as I did too. Yet folks will keep starting the same tired topic, maybe just for "fun"?

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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undred orse said:
I agree and I’ve already said this on here. I’m sick to death of it and the superior attitude displayed very often that accompanies the snide anti 718 comments. I’d expect better of a car enthusiasts forum but it is sickening how people are taking pleasure in trotting out the same tired comments often without properly trying a 718.
How do you know people making the comments haven't tried a 718 "properly"? I had a 718S for a few days as a loaner. It sounded st and I hated the throttle response.

undred orse

964 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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I’m complaining about the snide nature of the comments that has developed from many - not the majority of the comments above though- which is unnecessary and seems to be a function of a wish to display superiority in owning the earlier car or simply professing an wish to have one.

Asking which the op owns can be turned around to ask which the criticising poster owns. Not really helpful.

I’ve owned a 2.7 and a 718 and I get why people prefer the f6 engine. I’m not blind to the failings of the 718 through owning one but I’m also not blind to the failings of the f6. What I don’t find acceptable is the snide criticism of the 718 which is unnecessary.

undred orse

964 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Twinfan said:
How do you know people making the comments haven't tried a 718 "properly"? I had a 718S for a few days as a loaner. It sounded st and I hated the throttle response.
I said often without properly trying. You’ve given it a chance and do not like it. Fine. But I’ve seen too often people making the usual snide comments after “I heard one go past,start in the dealer,watched a YouTube report etc”

How do you know that everyone commenting has tried one like you?

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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bob2146 said:
IS anyone else tiring of the constant f4t 718's engine note ?

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fixed that 4 u :-)

DJMC

3,431 posts

102 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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undred orse said:
I’m complaining about the snide nature of the comments that has developed from many - not the majority of the comments above though- which is unnecessary and seems to be a function of a wish to display superiority in owning the earlier car or simply professing an wish to have one.

Asking which the op owns can be turned around to ask which the criticising poster owns. Not really helpful.

I’ve owned a 2.7 and a 718 and I get why people prefer the f6 engine. I’m not blind to the failings of the 718 through owning one but I’m also not blind to the failings of the f6. What I don’t find acceptable is the snide criticism of the 718 which is unnecessary.

I believe it was me who asked which the OP owns, after mentioning twice I own a 981. My question as to the OP's model, if any, was so as to find out if he writes from experience or as a bystander?

By "owned" I take it you have neither a 981 or 718 currently? Why did you get rid of them? Engine noise or other failings?

undred orse

964 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Correct. I’m picking up a new gts tomorrow. I had the 2.7 from 2001-04 and did 60,000 miles in it. I sold my 718s to get the gts.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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undred orse said:
How do you know that everyone commenting has tried one like you?
I don't, but I haven't made sweeping assumptions. I've only spoken about my own first hand experience.

undred orse

964 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Twinfan said:
undred orse said:
How do you know that everyone commenting has tried one like you?
I don't, but I haven't made sweeping assumptions. I've only spoken about my own first hand experience.
I know and I haven’t criticised you or the way you have expressed your opinions.

I’ve been clear what approach I am critical of.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Indeed smile

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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anonymous said:
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Very true, but is the issue that people want others to go "ooh" and "ahh" over their car and they're getting annoyed because people are being negative about it instead?

It was the same in the GT4 thread when myself and isaldiri initially commented about disliking the engine, and now av185 too. There's one PH poster who still believes that being negative about the 981 CGTS at every opportunity is "getting me back" when I couldn't give two hoots what anyone else thinks about my car!

So the perceived problem can lie with 718 owners, and not the car itself.

undred orse

964 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Just to be clear I have no problem with anyone expressing an opinion good or bad that is not simply a snide remark made whilst jumping on the bandwagon. Usually even then I’d just not bother engaging as I would simply ignore it and as already said it should not,and in my case does not, detract from the car to me.

What I find objectionable and to be honest sad is that we have too often this on a forum of supposed enthusiasts. I appreciate we all have different opinions and all can express them - cmoose for example has made his opinion of the 718 engine clear but it is backed with reason and experience and I would not suggest he is jumping on the bandwagon. What I see too often are snide remarks designed to denigrate the car and I suppose owner.

jonttt

678 posts

170 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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bob2146 said:
IS anyone else tiring of the constant whinging re the 718's engine note ?

Maybe it's just me but some reviews and comments seem to exaggerate this out of all proportion. A lot of these tests are not always balanced either. Chris Harris's comparison of a 718 at cruise vs an accelerating 981 is a good example. Not a fair comparison, at all. Having driven both I can say I definitely liked the F6, but at cruising speed it droned as well.

Carfection's latest review was the final straw, I mean come on ! Great road and all but please stop the whinging ! It is really misleading, I've read so much commentary on this it really detracts from what is a great car.
I do not read many threads on here so I can't comment on what people say on here save for the fact that I have been critical on several car forums and I have read a lot / most of the press reviews.

I think its simply a reflection of how comparatively shocking the change has been in terms of the noise. The basic fact is that a good NA engine should always sound better than a good FI engine like for like but there are "good" sounding FI engines out there. The fact Porsche seems to have been incapable of producing a relatively good sounding car compared to the 981 is the shocking part to most porsche enthusiasts. That fact seems to have been confirmed by the GTS which has to be viewed as an opportunity for Porsche to address the issue and they have not.

This is all in the context of accepting that the "noise" a car makes is a major influence on the perceived pleasure of driving a car for .... pleasure.

Of course noise does not make a car worse to drive etc.... but it is a major part of the experience of driving. Similarly the purpose of the car influences the importance of each element of the drive with noise diminishing in importance for a daily driver etc but given the 718 is a "sports" car it should always play some role for most people.

The 718 sounds like a sports car, like many FI sports cars do but the issue is that when compared to one of the best sounding sports cars ever produced it is a massive step backwards and by the very importance of sound in the experience of a sports car then diminishing from that experience.

Personally I don't think there is any way in getting away from the fact that this will have an adverse effect on 718 residuals over time ie as these cars age and enter the second hand market they are less likely to be "daily drivers" and more likely to be "fun" / second cars when the balance of whats important changes and noise becomes even more of an important part of the experience. I also think that in time the FI 4 pot motors will be a seen as a "stop" gap between NA 6 cylinder and FI hybrid cars.

And for reference yes these are my views, I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone else and they are based on actual experience of both, I had a fully loaded 718 S loaner for 3 days which actually made my initial views after early "test" drives worse, and I own a 981 BGTS. I own the 981 not because I can't afford a 718 GTS but simply because I chose to own the 981 over the 718. The major reason for that is the sound, although in principle I prefer NA over FI. If the sound where on a par it would be a much tougher decision for me as I would prefer a new car over a 3 year old one.

In summary I don't think the issue has been exaggerated, in fact I would argue the opposite, on plenty of reviews I've read I think they underplay it. I these comments detract from a great car, but thats simply a reflection of how much the noise detracts from a great car.

undred orse

964 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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anonymous said:
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No problem.
I agree generally with the above and your comments re the 986.

undred orse

964 posts

195 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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anonymous said:
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Thanks for your comments. You are 100% correct.