718 Sound and Constant Whinging !

[Twinfan]

Malo said:

I'm looking to change my Boxster, and its amazing to see the price of 2-3 year old 981's on a par with 1 year old 718's.

I guess that shows what the buying market thinks of each car?!?!

Schmed said:

Do you have any examples - everytime I look at the opc used market I just see massively overinflated prices, I guess is due to the delivery lead times and limited volume of cars. The 718s don’t seem cheap either, I think I saw one 718 GTS specced up to around £80k!

No doubt they’ll make money out of it one way or another. “Last of the 981s” yeah that’ll cost you...

I've just looked at the OPC list and every 718 Boxster or Cayman is higher priced than the equivalent 981 e.g. S vs S. At the switchover point the prices are almost identical but 718s are more expensive than 981s.

So 981 prices are holding very strong but have not surpassed 718s.

[gronk]

Malo said:

I'm looking to change my Boxster, and its amazing to see the price of 2-3 year old 981's on a par with 1 year old 718's.

I guess that shows what the buying market thinks of each car?!?!

I suspect that's more down to optimistic asking prices, a couple of what I think are relevant points

- a lot of 2-3 year old cars are bought back into the dealer network or specialists, their premium pricing drags the advertised prices up for those few private sellers
. When I was looking at options for my purchase, I was told by the OPC that the optimum timing for trading in to maximise the trade in was approx. 2 1/2 years. Given its recent launch I suspect the 718's aren't necessarily in the used market yet
- Those718's that are in the market are probably @ OPC's and the dealers, and they wont be bargains so like me buyers may just plump for the new car .
- worth remembering that not many Porsches drives out of the showroom base spec. When I changed I was looking at dealers with highly spec'd 981's (& 718's) well above the new car price due to them being loaded with what I thought ot be worthless options. Be careful 'apples and pears' are not being compared
- with the introduction of the 718 Porsche swapped the Boxster & Cayman around in the pricing hierarchy so there will be a lot of Boxster owners out there trying to cash in on the fact the new one is priced higher relatively, and vice versa Cayman owners trying to maintain the price...I had Boxsters and was always amazed at the differential between Boxster & Cayman in the used market...

Nothing to back this up, but my recent buying experience didn't indicate forecourts being swamped with unsold or cheap 718's

[HighwayStar]

BE57JAM said:

Malo said:

I'm looking to change my Boxster, and its amazing to see the price of 2-3 year old 981's on a par with 1 year old 718's.

I guess that shows what the buying market thinks of each car?!?!

That’s a smart move on Porsche’s part. Give people 2 pieces of cake to chose from.

F6 - last of a breed. Will prob appreciate over the long run.
F4T - better numbers, tech, and daily usability.

Sounds fair to me

That’s is literally Thee. Most. Sensible thing you have said... clearly states what’s important to you and why you prefer it.

Just a shame you think we should all think it because you do.

I know what’s important to me.

[Twinfan]

Agreed

I also think that cross shopping across the 718 and 981 models is uncommon - I think there are mostly two distinct groups of buyers.

[BE57JAM]

HighwayStar said:

That’s is literally Thee. Most. Sensible thing you have said... clearly states what’s important to you and why you prefer it.

Just a shame you think we should all think it because you do.

I know what’s important to me.

Lol. I don’t argue with pro 981ers. I argue with anti 718ers.

[HighwayStar]

BE57JAM said:

HighwayStar said:

That’s is literally Thee. Most. Sensible thing you have said... clearly states what’s important to you and why you prefer it.

Just a shame you think we should all think it because you do.

I know what’s important to me.

Lol. I don’t argue with pro 981ers. I argue with anti 718ers.

Splitting hairs...
Question... why are you even bothered what we think, you’re what with the numbers your Techtastic 718 GTS produces. Why the staunch defence of the 718? Straight question.

[BE57JAM]

HighwayStar said:

Splitting hairs...
Question... why are you even bothered what we think, you’re what with the numbers your Techtastic 718 GTS produces. Why the staunch defence of the 718? Straight question.

Straight answer.

It’s not splitting hairs. Pro 981 comments are nice to read. Anti 718 comments, especially of the fantastical and largely inflated or outright inaccurate kind, like a lot of the chat on here deserves debate. Or as I would see it, correction.

Edited by BE57JAM on Wednesday 2nd May 11:34

[dreamcar]

Next week there is a full road test due in Autocar of the 718 Cayman GTS. I’m sure it will be an interesting read.

[Si-3PO]

BE57JAM said:

Straight answer.

It’s not splitting hairs. Pro 981 comments are nice to read. Anti 718 comments, especially of the fantastical and largely inflated or outright inaccurate kind, like a lot of the chat on here deserves debate. Or as I would see it, correction.

Edited by BE57JAM on Wednesday 2nd May 11:34

I don’t see many “fantastical” anti-718 comments. Most centre around not liking the Turbo and throttle response and not liking the sound.

As a previous owner of two 981’s I understand both of these comments, a 718 sounds st by comparison and there is lag when you’re not ‘on it’. Having said that for me it is a much better looking car, I prefer the steering and obviously the performance is significantly better.

Ultimately I’d prefer it if it had an F6 though, and that’s what most 981 owners in this thread are saying.

[Twinfan]

Si-3PO said:

Ultimately I’d prefer it if it had an F6 though, and that’s what most 981 owners in this thread are saying.

Mostly, I think. Although I don't like the new style air vents either, or the non-smooth/dimpled leather dash on the S model I drove.

I also don't see any fantastical anti-718 comments either, most are based on experience having test driven the car at least once.

[Si-3PO]

Twinfan said:

Mostly, I think. Although I don't like the new style air vents either, or the non-smooth/dimpled leather dash on the S model I drove.

I also don't see any fantastical anti-718 comments either, most are based on experience having test driven the car at least once.

If it’s got dimples it’s plastic lol.

[Twinfan]

Really? It was padded so I though it was leather?

[Si-3PO]

Twinfan said:

Really? It was padded so I though it was leather?

No, it is squishy though.

This is my leather dash :

[Twinfan]

Interesting - cheers!

[HighwayStar]

BE57JAM said:

HighwayStar said:

Splitting hairs...
Question... why are you even bothered what we think, you’re what with the numbers your Techtastic 718 GTS produces. Why the staunch defence of the 718? Straight question.

Straight answer.

It’s not splitting hairs. Pro 981 comments are nice to read. Anti 718 comments, especially of the fantastical and largely inflated or outright inaccurate kind, like a lot of the chat on here deserves debate. Or as I would see it, correction.

Edited by BE57JAM on Wednesday 2nd May 11:34

Personally anti 981ers don’t bother me in the slightest. I get their angle. Where they are coming from, easy speed, numbers, less work to get ‘on it’ etc. I love that it’s not easy performance, that I have to work for it, work the engine to get the rewards. I’ve had turbo cars and nah... fast though they were... left me cold. The 718 left me cold.

It seems to me the correction you feel you need to make is our preference... why in the hell would not want a 718. Do you feel you need to open our eyes?
Would one of the fantastical anti 718 things be us not seeing it, with the tech and additional performance it brings, as the better car?
Y’know, how can they not see it’s faster, it must be better....

[BE57JAM]

Twinfan said:

Si-3PO said:

Ultimately I’d prefer it if it had an F6 though, and that’s what most 981 owners in this thread are saying.

Mostly, I think. Although I don't like the new style air vents either, or the non-smooth/dimpled leather dash on the S model I drove.

I also don't see any fantastical anti-718 comments either, most are based on experience having test driven the car at least once.

Perhaps this is a straw man defence?

It won’t take you long to find comments like “worst Porsche ever” and “worst engine in the world”.

Also comments which experience allows me to refute quite completely such as “the turbo lag is awful”

They’re all examples of what I’d call fanciful and also, obviously, nonsense.

[BE57JAM]

HighwayStar said:

Personally anti 981ers don’t bother me in the slightest. I get their angle. Where they are coming from, easy speed, numbers, less work to get ‘on it’ etc. I love that it’s not easy performance, that I have to work for it, work the engine to get the rewards. I’ve had turbo cars and nah... fast though they were... left me cold. The 718 left me cold.

It seems to me the correction you feel you need to make is our preference... why in the hell would not want a 718. Do you feel you need to open our eyes?
Would one of the fantastical anti 718 things be us not seeing it, with the tech and additional performance it brings, as the better car?
Y’know, how can they not see it’s faster, it must be better....

I think you’re moving in to strange realms now pal.

People say daft things about a car. I point out they’ve said a daft thing about a car. Easy.

[Twinfan]

BE57JAM said:

Perhaps this is a straw man defence?

It won’t take you long to find comments like “worst Porsche ever” and “worst engine in the world”.

Also comments which experience allows me to refute quite completely such as “the turbo lag is awful”

They’re all examples of what I’d call fanciful and also, obviously, nonsense.

You seem to be claiming that the opinion of others is nonsense, and that's the problem with your whole attitude in this thread. You see others opinions as facts and that they are wrong and must be refuted. This is the part that's nonsense to me!

In my opinion, having driven a 718S on two separate occasions for a total of four days, I have experienced and believe:

• the engine makes a dreadful noise when compared to the sweet sounding 981
• revving out the engine to the redline is not enjoyable and feels terrible
• the engine response is muted and not as sharp as the 981, as all turbo engines are
• similarly the engine has turbo lag, as all turbo engines do, while the turbo spins up
• In summary, Porsche have ruined the 981 by putting a worse engine in it and adding styling touches that I do not like

None of the above is wrong, fanciful or nonsense - they're my opinion and I'll happily stand by them until the end of time

The first two points are subjective, but the second two are factually correct I'm afraid. You cannot disagree with the fundamental principles of turbo engines!

[Pinball]

I found the plastic dash to be much squishier than the leather. I'd expected the latter to feel a bit more tactile tbh.

[dreamcar]

Twinfan said:

You seem to be claiming that the opinion of others is nonsense, and that's the problem with your whole attitude in this thread. You see others opinions as facts and that they are wrong and must be refuted. This is the part that's nonsense to me!

In my opinion, having driven a 718S on two separate occasions for a total of four days, I have experienced and believe:

• the engine makes a dreadful noise when compared to the sweet sounding 981
• revving out the engine to the redline is not enjoyable and feels terrible
• the engine response is muted and not as sharp as the 981, as all turbo engines are
• similarly the engine has turbo lag, as all turbo engines do, while the turbo spins up
• In summary, Porsche have ruined the 981 by putting a worse engine in it and adding styling touches that I do not like

None of the above is wrong, fanciful or nonsense - they're my opinion and I'll happily stand by them until the end of time

The first two points are subjective, but the second two are factually correct I'm afraid. You cannot disagree with the fundamental principles of turbo engines!

I think this is a fair assessment and not at all “anti 718”. With 718 the performance is achieved with less work as it relies mainly on the greater torque low down which is arguably 981’s weak area, lack (comparatively speaking) of low down grunt. A turbo six, like 991/2 would have been much preferable, yes turbo lag would still be there but at least it would sound civilised.