19 inch wheels on a GTS
Discussion
anonymous said:
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they're not bad at all, though a bit soft maybe.i'd like a colour similar to the satin platinum i have now though and maybe something a bit sharper too.
when the time comes it would be nice if i could arrange to try both the 18s and 19s and see how they compare. i can't imagine that's feasible though?
bcr5784 said:
No but I have a set of 18" Goodyear F1 N0 tyres with only a nominal mileage going very cheap.PM me if you are interested.
Krobar said:
The Goodyear 18s are also cheap if you get them during Costco promotions.
difficult to commit without trying them and seeing how they look on the car.need to find some time to look into this properly.
I wondered where you had got to on this as I am now considering the same issue. I have the diamond cut 20 inch Porsche rims on my GTS and both wheels and tyres are too vulnerable for high mileages on our roads. I am looking at options using the factory 19 inch rim and tyre specifications as these give the same rolling diameter and footprint.
The significant benefit of 19 inch rims is the bigger choice available. I am looking for a simple design in painted anthracite, easy to clean etc.
The significant benefit of 19 inch rims is the bigger choice available. I am looking for a simple design in painted anthracite, easy to clean etc.
I want to change wheels and tyres too. I have 981 Spyder and the ride is just unnecessarily harsh for UK roads. Might be fine in Europe but not in the UK. I want to go down to 18" to see if it makes the ride better. Its so bad my foot jumps on the accelerator and brake and I have to slow down to keep control of my feet and the car. I have no problems in the Exige or in my McLaren and both out handle the Porsche so no idea why they make the ride so stiff???
Bispal said:
I want to change wheels and tyres too. I have 981 Spyder and the ride is just unnecessarily harsh for UK roads. Might be fine in Europe but not in the UK. I want to go down to 18" to see if it makes the ride better. Its so bad my foot jumps on the accelerator and brake and I have to slow down to keep control of my feet and the car. I have no problems in the Exige or in my McLaren and both out handle the Porsche so no idea why they make the ride so stiff???
My GTS had the same suspension and 20" wheel's, it was fine. tbh preferred it over the softer PASM and never made my feet jump. Maybe you need stronger legs lol. I don't think dropping to 18's will make a massive difference, X73 suspension and arbs are stiff.Johnd52 said:
I wondered where you had got to on this as I am now considering the same issue. I have the diamond cut 20 inch Porsche rims on my GTS and both wheels and tyres are too vulnerable for high mileages on our roads. I am looking at options using the factory 19 inch rim and tyre specifications as these give the same rolling diameter and footprint.
The significant benefit of 19 inch rims is the bigger choice available. I am looking for a simple design in painted anthracite, easy to clean etc.
haven't done anything yet other than look at eventual wheel replacement and like you i'm leaning towards 19 inch painted in something similar to the current satin platinum. ideally i'd like something a bit sharper than the Carrera S wheels. the 718 version definitely sharpens up vs the 981 wheel and there are some after market wheels that are similar and available in 19".The significant benefit of 19 inch rims is the bigger choice available. I am looking for a simple design in painted anthracite, easy to clean etc.
Bispal said:
I want to change wheels and tyres too. I have 981 Spyder and the ride is just unnecessarily harsh for UK roads. Might be fine in Europe but not in the UK. I want to go down to 18" to see if it makes the ride better. Its so bad my foot jumps on the accelerator and brake and I have to slow down to keep control of my feet and the car. I have no problems in the Exige or in my McLaren and both out handle the Porsche so no idea why they make the ride so stiff???
i have the sports chassis (X73) which i think is that same setup as the Spyder?Would be interesting to see a Spyder on 18s or even 19s for that matter so please do post if you make such a switch.
Bispal said:
I want to change wheels and tyres too. I have 981 Spyder and the ride is just unnecessarily harsh for UK roads. Might be fine in Europe but not in the UK. I want to go down to 18" to see if it makes the ride better. Its so bad my foot jumps on the accelerator and brake and I have to slow down to keep control of my feet and the car. I have no problems in the Exige or in my McLaren and both out handle the Porsche so no idea why they make the ride so stiff???
I think there are three reasons they make them so stiff:1) There is a view (completely erroneous in my view) that to handle well sportscars need to be stiff (True on smooth tracks, but not on British roads)
2) Many like the car to be as low as possible with little wheel arch clearance for aesthetic reasons - meaning suspension travel has to be limited, and therefore stiff. The penchant for big wheels and ultra low profile tyres similarly compromises ride for aestheitic reasons.
3) Strut type suspension does not control camber as well as double wishbones and therefore travel is limited for that reason.
JasonSteel said:
i doubt i'll ever buy Pirellis again, such is the disappointment with their performance vs the Michelins. never tried the Goodyears but have heard good things about them.
any after market 18" wheel recommendations?
I've just changed from 20" Pirelli N0 to 20" Goodyear F1 N0 and the difference in ride and handling is remarkable. The car now 'flows' down the road, with much better steering feedback (and no Ackermann effect), and hardly any traction control intervention when 'pressing on' out of slow corners. As a bonus, road noise is also better, which means you can really hear the exhaust!any after market 18" wheel recommendations?
I haven't tried the Michelins but I'd suggest trying the 20" Goodyears before going to smaller wheels.
I just wished I'd binned the Pirelli's earlier.
Cabsi said:
The car now 'flows' down the road, with much better steering feedback (and no Ackermann effect), and hardly any traction control intervention when 'pressing on' out of slow corners.
i don't understand why Porsche would fit Pirellis as standard when there is such a big difference in every area - performance, feel, comfort... there's nothing really where the Pirellis outperform.JasonSteel said:
i don't understand why Porsche would fit Pirellis as standard when there is such a big difference in every area - performance, feel, comfort... there's nothing really where the Pirellis outperform.
Because the differences aren't as great as many would have you believe. Accepting that N0 Pirellis aren't the best tyres, having done back to back tests with Eagles, even then there are pluses and minuses. Independent instrumented tests (albeit on other cars) show that the standard (N1 equivilant) Pirellis are far closer to Michelins than often stated - and far better than Eagles.I changed from Pirelli N1s to Goodyear Eagles over a year ago. What I found:
Wet grip is massively improved.
Ride is better and quieter (marginal)
Tyre wear also appears much better. I got just under 14k out of the rear Pirellis and they were lethal. Coming up to 10k on the Goodyears with over 5mm of tread left.
These are 18”s, as I can’t get PS4S in my tyre size. Driving loaners on 20”s I find the handling slightly sharper, but they are far too easily kerbed.
Wet grip is massively improved.
Ride is better and quieter (marginal)
Tyre wear also appears much better. I got just under 14k out of the rear Pirellis and they were lethal. Coming up to 10k on the Goodyears with over 5mm of tread left.
These are 18”s, as I can’t get PS4S in my tyre size. Driving loaners on 20”s I find the handling slightly sharper, but they are far too easily kerbed.
bcr5784 said:
Because the differences aren't as great as many would have you believe. Accepting that N0 Pirellis aren't the best tyres, having done back to back tests with Eagles, even then there are pluses and minuses.
We'll have to agree to disagree. The N0 Pirellis were only acceptable above relatively high ambient temperature when the sidewalls were softened. And even then, I can't think of any major characteristic were they were better than the Goodyears (unless you happened to live in the UAE).Cabsi said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. The N0 Pirellis were only acceptable above relatively high ambient temperature when the sidewalls were softened. And even then, I can't think of any major characteristic were they were better than the Goodyears (unless you happened to live in the UAE).
Accepting that the Goodyears had better steering and were (a tad) more comfortable, personally I preferred the Pirellis in the dry being the more precise tyrre. The fundamental problem in cold conditions it is that the steering geometry that is crap and while some tyres are better than others - it is not the tyres that are the fundamental issue.JasonSteel said:
Bispal said:
I want to change wheels and tyres too. I have 981 Spyder and the ride is just unnecessarily harsh for UK roads. Might be fine in Europe but not in the UK. I want to go down to 18" to see if it makes the ride better. Its so bad my foot jumps on the accelerator and brake and I have to slow down to keep control of my feet and the car. I have no problems in the Exige or in my McLaren and both out handle the Porsche so no idea why they make the ride so stiff???
i have the sports chassis (X73) which i think is that same setup as the Spyder?Would be interesting to see a Spyder on 18s or even 19s for that matter so please do post if you make such a switch.
JayK12 said:
Bispal said:
I want to change wheels and tyres too. I have 981 Spyder and the ride is just unnecessarily harsh for UK roads. Might be fine in Europe but not in the UK. I want to go down to 18" to see if it makes the ride better. Its so bad my foot jumps on the accelerator and brake and I have to slow down to keep control of my feet and the car. I have no problems in the Exige or in my McLaren and both out handle the Porsche so no idea why they make the ride so stiff???
My GTS had the same suspension and 20" wheel's, it was fine. tbh preferred it over the softer PASM and never made my feet jump. Maybe you need stronger legs lol. I don't think dropping to 18's will make a massive difference, X73 suspension and arbs are stiff.
Bispal said:
JayK12 said:
Bispal said:
I want to change wheels and tyres too. I have 981 Spyder and the ride is just unnecessarily harsh for UK roads. Might be fine in Europe but not in the UK. I want to go down to 18" to see if it makes the ride better. Its so bad my foot jumps on the accelerator and brake and I have to slow down to keep control of my feet and the car. I have no problems in the Exige or in my McLaren and both out handle the Porsche so no idea why they make the ride so stiff???
My GTS had the same suspension and 20" wheel's, it was fine. tbh preferred it over the softer PASM and never made my feet jump. Maybe you need stronger legs lol. I don't think dropping to 18's will make a massive difference, X73 suspension and arbs are stiff.
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