Cayman GTS 981 - don't really like it.
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
PASM feels a bit hard when turned on in these cars.
x73 fits inbetween the 2 PASM modes quite nice and is of course lower which looks cooler :-).
X73 springs and front anti roll bar are about 10% stiffer than PASM. X73 rear ARB is much stiffer than PASMs. PASM in sport dampers vary from similar to the "basic" (doubtless softer than X73) suspension to much stiffer. So, the low speed ride in PASM sport is bound to be quite a bit softer than X73 because PASM will have both softer springs and dampers. At higher speeds/more aggressive driving the stiffer (adaptive) damping of PASM may even things up.x73 fits inbetween the 2 PASM modes quite nice and is of course lower which looks cooler :-).
We may debate the aesthetics of a drop in ride height of 10mm and whether it looks cooler or more chavvy. Frankly I doubt anyone but a star bellied sneecher would notice.
Porsche911R said:
PASM feels a bit hard when turned on in these cars.
x73 fits inbetween the 2 PASM modes quite nice and is of course lower which looks cooler :-).
Happy with PASM in our BGTS as SWMBO cannot stand a ride that is too firm, especially on UK’s broken roads. I don’t think the car appears to ride too high - PASM is 10mm lower than standard suspension anyway.x73 fits inbetween the 2 PASM modes quite nice and is of course lower which looks cooler :-).
By the way Porsche911R - PASM is always on, just a choice between comfort or sport program.
Edited by dreamcar on Tuesday 31st July 17:18
Obafemi99 said:
I know a lot of people love them and all those car journos must know what they're talking about, but sadly for me the car never got under my skin and i didn't form an emotional attachment to it, so i sold it - i did make £4k on it as managed to get a decent deal when i bought it (hence buying without driving it as did the deal very quickly). They do still make me look twice on the odd occasions i see them on the road and always wonder if i should give one another try, but my 2 pence worth is i have to agree with the title of this thread.
I have the same thoughts about the GT4. I thought it would be a like the GT3RS models I'd previously driven, but I quickly realised the engine was a massive let down - I prefer the 3.4 in the GTS as it feels revvier to me.We should follow that advice to never meet your idols!
dreamcar said:
Happy with PASM in our BGTS as SWMBO cannot stand a ride that is too firm, especially on UK’s broken roads. I don’t think the car appears to ride too high - PASM is 10mm lower than standard suspension anyway.
By the way Porsche911R - PASM is always on, just a choice between comfort or sport program.
Always on but uses different % of the shock damping. Hence the DSC works for a few people as it uses 100% of the shock all the time.By the way Porsche911R - PASM is always on, just a choice between comfort or sport program.
off say 20 to 60% on say 50 to 90% don't quote me I made that up but it's works like that. On don't really work imo.
CastroSays said:
ATM said:
Passive dampers here lads on the 981. Super low KW v3 on the 996.
I guess you're happy that a woman coming along there pushing a pram, perhaps with another toddler in tow has to walk on the street. Or a wheelchair user......
Moronic parking.
Edited by JayK12 on Tuesday 31st July 19:00
Porsche911R said:
Always on but uses different % of the shock damping. Hence the DSC works for a few people as it uses 100% of the shock all the time.
off say 20 to 60% on say 50 to 90% don't quote me I made that up but it's works like that. On don't really work imo.
Could you explain that in English? PASM, depending on mode AND speed/G sensing PASM uses damping from settings that are MUCH softer than either X73 or standard to settings that are much harder than standard and (probably) harder than X73. off say 20 to 60% on say 50 to 90% don't quote me I made that up but it's works like that. On don't really work imo.
bcr5784 said:
Porsche911R said:
Always on but uses different % of the shock damping. Hence the DSC works for a few people as it uses 100% of the shock all the time.
off say 20 to 60% on say 50 to 90% don't quote me I made that up but it's works like that. On don't really work imo.
Could you explain that in English? PASM, depending on mode AND speed/G sensing PASM uses damping from settings that are MUCH softer than either X73 or standard to settings that are much harder than standard and (probably) harder than X73. off say 20 to 60% on say 50 to 90% don't quote me I made that up but it's works like that. On don't really work imo.
Total operating range of the PASM system spans from about Standard (Basic Passive) all the way to as hard as or harder than X73.
But there will be a little bit of compromise in that as the spring rates need to be able to work across that range also - and series 981 obviously don't have adjustable spring rates on the car or helper springs.
DSC unit that replace the factory PASM control unit is much faster and uses different algorithms to using the dampers in active fashion across all dampers at the same time to maintain a stable platform, kind of like PDCC now does but without the active roll bars to help as well. It also changes the damping values of the various operating ranges/driving modes...obviously limited to the maximum capacity of the damper itself - which is why some people worry about additional wear when using the DSC.
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 31st July 20:07
TDT said:
You're both saying a similar thing... basically - PASM operates in ranges. Normal mode it operates in the softer range, in Sport and @ extremis in Sport Plus, PASM will operate in the firmer-stiff range of damping.
Total operating range of the PASM system spans from about Standard (Basic Passive) all the way to as hard as or harder than X73.
But there will be a little bit of compromise in that as the spring rates need to be able to work across that range also - and series 981 obviously don't have adjustable spring rates on the car or helper springs.
Agreed there are ranges - but their seems to be confusion on both Dave and your part about the span of these ranges. PASM is about 10% stiffer front and rear in terms of SPRING and ARB rates (I can ferrit out the actual rates if you really want to know) . In terms of damper settings the range on PASM is FAR wider than you imply. In Normal it ranges from MUCH softer than standard to a bit stiffer than standard. In Sport damper ranges from similar to standard to MUCH stiffer.Total operating range of the PASM system spans from about Standard (Basic Passive) all the way to as hard as or harder than X73.
But there will be a little bit of compromise in that as the spring rates need to be able to work across that range also - and series 981 obviously don't have adjustable spring rates on the car or helper springs.
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 31st July 20:07
bcr5784 said:
Agreed there are ranges - but their seems to be confusion on both Dave and your part about the span of these ranges. PASM is about 10% stiffer front and rear in terms of SPRING and ARB rates (I can ferrit out the actual rates if you really want to know) . In terms of damper settings the range on PASM is FAR wider than you imply. In Normal it ranges from MUCH softer than standard to a bit stiffer than standard. In Sport damper ranges from similar to standard to MUCH stiffer.
Ok, cool - Couldn’t 100% remember if the range was great than over the Standard <-> x73 total range or slightly within that total range.Twinfan said:
I think the difference the DSC module makes is of most use on the 9x7 platform where PASM was less well developed. No-one seems to be using it on a 9x1 - the standard factory software seems to have been developed nicely, probably more in line with the 9x7 DSC coding (at a guess).
There are people using it on 9x1, and I know of 1X GT4 in the UK that has it running.But yeah it probably has greater benefit on 9x7.
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