981S vs 718 base
Discussion
ODRALLAG said:
Without turning it into another debate, do you think 981 values will hold better than the 718’s even now?
I reckon so, in 2018 I purchased a 981 S. I came from 11 years of 2.0T hot hatches and naturally test drove the 718S first. Liked it.Then put myself in a 981 S and decided that was the car for me, ok the interior wasn't as nice and tech not as good but I was buying a car for the experience.. and the noise.
you’re always good entertainment CM.The days of rock solid residuals on anything but the rarest GT cars are well and truly over as Porsche are now going down the same road MB, Audi and BMW went down in the 90s and early 00s, chasing volume. Look at them now, plenty of cars in stock, pre-reg bargains, discounts across the board for factory orders, average residuals across most models which cover more niches than anyone could reasonably believe existed and a more common sight than Fords or Vauxhalls on my morning commute.
In the 70s my dad ordered a bog standard MB 200 and had to wait over a year to get it. 3 years later he sold it for more than he paid for it and it looked as good as new.
Most Porsche factory orders can now be had within 2-3 months and most dealers have stock cars that can easily be bought with a healthy discount, all things that were unheard of not too many years ago. Pretty much anyone can now get a GT4 or Spyder if you wait long enough and these will drop in value too because no one's going to pay a premium for something they can order new from a dealer unless they're desperate for the latest shiny new thing.
I've got my name down for a 718-6 and was expecting it to announced last month. I'm now told that the factory is focusing on producing as many GT4s and Spyders as they can to satisfy demand. The masses moaned for years that they couldn't get a GT car and Porsche have listened, now they can. It won't be long before the masses are moaning that the value of their GT car has dropped like a stone except of course for the real fans who bought it to drive it and couldn't give a stuff if that damages residuals.
As for me I was offered a spectacular deal on a base 718 Boxster this week and after a drive decided it was too good a deal to miss so will hopefully be picking it up before Christmas if it arrives from the factory in time. Don't care if it looses money as its being bought to be driven and will serve as my commuter for the foreseeable future. We're still keeping our 981C as the wife still loves it and that is the most important thing for her. She also liked driving the 718, in her words it was sharper to drive and the acceleration was just brilliant. Sure it doesn't sound as good but if that's all you care about you probably haven't got the point yet.
Of course I could be wrong about much of the above but I learnt a long time ago that when it come to predictions my crystal ball is pretty much as clear or cloudy as everyone else's.
In the 70s my dad ordered a bog standard MB 200 and had to wait over a year to get it. 3 years later he sold it for more than he paid for it and it looked as good as new.
Most Porsche factory orders can now be had within 2-3 months and most dealers have stock cars that can easily be bought with a healthy discount, all things that were unheard of not too many years ago. Pretty much anyone can now get a GT4 or Spyder if you wait long enough and these will drop in value too because no one's going to pay a premium for something they can order new from a dealer unless they're desperate for the latest shiny new thing.
I've got my name down for a 718-6 and was expecting it to announced last month. I'm now told that the factory is focusing on producing as many GT4s and Spyders as they can to satisfy demand. The masses moaned for years that they couldn't get a GT car and Porsche have listened, now they can. It won't be long before the masses are moaning that the value of their GT car has dropped like a stone except of course for the real fans who bought it to drive it and couldn't give a stuff if that damages residuals.
As for me I was offered a spectacular deal on a base 718 Boxster this week and after a drive decided it was too good a deal to miss so will hopefully be picking it up before Christmas if it arrives from the factory in time. Don't care if it looses money as its being bought to be driven and will serve as my commuter for the foreseeable future. We're still keeping our 981C as the wife still loves it and that is the most important thing for her. She also liked driving the 718, in her words it was sharper to drive and the acceleration was just brilliant. Sure it doesn't sound as good but if that's all you care about you probably haven't got the point yet.
Of course I could be wrong about much of the above but I learnt a long time ago that when it come to predictions my crystal ball is pretty much as clear or cloudy as everyone else's.
Miopyk said:
The days of rock solid residuals on anything but the rarest GT cars are well and truly over as Porsche are now going down the same road MB, Audi and BMW went down in the 90s and early 00s, chasing volume. Look at them now, plenty of cars in stock, pre-reg bargains, discounts across the board for factory orders, average residuals across most models which cover more niches than anyone could reasonably believe existed and a more common sight than Fords or Vauxhalls on my morning commute.
In the 70s my dad ordered a bog standard MB 200 and had to wait over a year to get it. 3 years later he sold it for more than he paid for it and it looked as good as new.
Most Porsche factory orders can now be had within 2-3 months and most dealers have stock cars that can easily be bought with a healthy discount, all things that were unheard of not too many years ago. Pretty much anyone can now get a GT4 or Spyder if you wait long enough and these will drop in value too because no one's going to pay a premium for something they can order new from a dealer unless they're desperate for the latest shiny new thing.
I've got my name down for a 718-6 and was expecting it to announced last month. I'm now told that the factory is focusing on producing as many GT4s and Spyders as they can to satisfy demand. The masses moaned for years that they couldn't get a GT car and Porsche have listened, now they can. It won't be long before the masses are moaning that the value of their GT car has dropped like a stone except of course for the real fans who bought it to drive it and couldn't give a stuff if that damages residuals.
As for me I was offered a spectacular deal on a base 718 Boxster this week and after a drive decided it was too good a deal to miss so will hopefully be picking it up before Christmas if it arrives from the factory in time. Don't care if it looses money as its being bought to be driven and will serve as my commuter for the foreseeable future. We're still keeping our 981C as the wife still loves it and that is the most important thing for her. She also liked driving the 718, in her words it was sharper to drive and the acceleration was just brilliant. Sure it doesn't sound as good but if that's all you care about you probably haven't got the point yet.
Of course I could be wrong about much of the above but I learnt a long time ago that when it come to predictions my crystal ball is pretty much as clear or cloudy as everyone else's.
Re residuals, not true in my experience. Sold by 981s in Autumn for about 5% less than I bought it for 3 years previous. Never experienced anything like this when owning a car brand. In the 70s my dad ordered a bog standard MB 200 and had to wait over a year to get it. 3 years later he sold it for more than he paid for it and it looked as good as new.
Most Porsche factory orders can now be had within 2-3 months and most dealers have stock cars that can easily be bought with a healthy discount, all things that were unheard of not too many years ago. Pretty much anyone can now get a GT4 or Spyder if you wait long enough and these will drop in value too because no one's going to pay a premium for something they can order new from a dealer unless they're desperate for the latest shiny new thing.
I've got my name down for a 718-6 and was expecting it to announced last month. I'm now told that the factory is focusing on producing as many GT4s and Spyders as they can to satisfy demand. The masses moaned for years that they couldn't get a GT car and Porsche have listened, now they can. It won't be long before the masses are moaning that the value of their GT car has dropped like a stone except of course for the real fans who bought it to drive it and couldn't give a stuff if that damages residuals.
As for me I was offered a spectacular deal on a base 718 Boxster this week and after a drive decided it was too good a deal to miss so will hopefully be picking it up before Christmas if it arrives from the factory in time. Don't care if it looses money as its being bought to be driven and will serve as my commuter for the foreseeable future. We're still keeping our 981C as the wife still loves it and that is the most important thing for her. She also liked driving the 718, in her words it was sharper to drive and the acceleration was just brilliant. Sure it doesn't sound as good but if that's all you care about you probably haven't got the point yet.
Of course I could be wrong about much of the above but I learnt a long time ago that when it come to predictions my crystal ball is pretty much as clear or cloudy as everyone else's.
anonymous said:
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Well it hasnt really ? Its produced a one off model to supplement the 718 range which will be more expensive than a GTS? Of course it could go wrong for them as you can buy a 911 for the money they are going to ask for it?A liitle birdie has said that interest for the 718/6 isnt that strong at the dealers, whereas it is for the GT4 and Spyder hence the delay in the annoucement and the shift to more production to the other models?
Edited by tedblog on Sunday 8th December 13:11
Interesting, maybe they don't need a separate model after all if the GT4 and Spyder fit the bill. Especially as you can customise the cars how you see fit e.g.
18-way seats, dark colour, PCCBs, all mod cons: GT4 = GTS+
or
Full buckets, Clubsport, harnessess, steels, bright colour: GT4 = track toy
18-way seats, dark colour, PCCBs, all mod cons: GT4 = GTS+
or
Full buckets, Clubsport, harnessess, steels, bright colour: GT4 = track toy
Twinfan said:
Interesting, maybe they don't need a separate model after all if the GT4 and Spyder fit the bill. Especially as you can customise the cars how you see fit e.g.
still need an alternative which doesn't force the big wing.will be interesting to see where the styling goes with the 718'6'. will it be closer to current 718GTS or will there be body options to make it more aggressive and 'sporty' but without the big wing?
i've never liked that gaping look the current GTS has and there's potential here to make the prettiest Cayman of them all...
JasonSteel said:
still need an alternative which doesn't force the big wing.
will be interesting to see where the styling goes with the 718'6'. will it be closer to current 718GTS or will there be body options to make it more aggressive and 'sporty' but without the big wing?..
+1 And they need a PDK option if it is to be a GTS replacement, with more soundproofing and a less track focussed suspension setting. Likewise the Spyder is no Boxster alternative - you wouldn't want that roof on a daily.will be interesting to see where the styling goes with the 718'6'. will it be closer to current 718GTS or will there be body options to make it more aggressive and 'sporty' but without the big wing?..
anonymous said:
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Im definatley not a forum geek, but i know enough people i think to have a good gossip/headsup. They were running tech courses in the summer on the new 6 engine,The engineering stuff has already been done with the gt4 and spyder and test mules were these? The use for another model is a possibility , but with sales on the decline is it worth it? All gone a bit quiet on the info front hasnt it?
Edited by tedblog on Sunday 8th December 20:43
I'm guessing the 718 "6" will simply be a 718 GT4 Touring i.e. basically a GT4 without the wing. It'll cost more than the GTS for sure.
In the world beyond PH, most buyers just want a Porsche and really don't care for the engine, the chassis, the whatever. I honestly think that beyond a few enthusiasts the market for a 6 cylinder 718 isn't that great.
For now I'm very happy with my 718 base. I've owned a 996 C2 3.4 and 997.2 C2 3.6 and yes the engines do sound a bit better, but the torque and its accessibility on the 2.0 F4 makes the Cayman a better day to day proposition and usefully quicker ... in my opinion at least.
In the world beyond PH, most buyers just want a Porsche and really don't care for the engine, the chassis, the whatever. I honestly think that beyond a few enthusiasts the market for a 6 cylinder 718 isn't that great.
For now I'm very happy with my 718 base. I've owned a 996 C2 3.4 and 997.2 C2 3.6 and yes the engines do sound a bit better, but the torque and its accessibility on the 2.0 F4 makes the Cayman a better day to day proposition and usefully quicker ... in my opinion at least.
churchie2856 said:
I'm guessing the 718 "6" will simply be a 718 GT4 Touring i.e. basically a GT4 without the wing. It'll cost more than the GTS for sure.
In the world beyond PH, most buyers just want a Porsche and really don't care for the engine, the chassis, the whatever. I honestly think that beyond a few enthusiasts the market for a 6 cylinder 718 isn't that great.
For now I'm very happy with my 718 base. I've owned a 996 C2 3.4 and 997.2 C2 3.6 and yes the engines do sound a bit better, but the torque and its accessibility on the 2.0 F4 makes the Cayman a better day to day proposition and usefully quicker ... in my opinion at least.
Sadly you may be right. Whereas the 981 had a USP over (say) an Alpine A110, M2 comp or Supra, now it's only real USP is a bigger boot , flashier dealerships, or a manual gearbox with silly ratios (re A110) and not all of those over the other two.In the world beyond PH, most buyers just want a Porsche and really don't care for the engine, the chassis, the whatever. I honestly think that beyond a few enthusiasts the market for a 6 cylinder 718 isn't that great.
For now I'm very happy with my 718 base. I've owned a 996 C2 3.4 and 997.2 C2 3.6 and yes the engines do sound a bit better, but the torque and its accessibility on the 2.0 F4 makes the Cayman a better day to day proposition and usefully quicker ... in my opinion at least.
churchie2856 said:
In the world beyond PH, most buyers just want a Porsche and really don't care for the engine, the chassis, the whatever. I honestly think that beyond a few enthusiasts the market for a 6 cylinder 718 isn't that great.
Yup that’s what I was thinking too. A 2 year old 718 S or 6 year old 981 S, almost the same price but the average buyer won’t care and will go for the newer car you’d think. I guess the limited numbers of the 981 S also help to keep the values up ginettajoe said:
An interesting comparison here between the two cars! Both finished on the online trade auction today, the 981 is a high spec. Add onto both final figures, £120 buyers fee!
tedblog said:
ginettajoe said:
Not sure what the comparison is? One is the base 718 the other a 981 s .If you are comparing what they sell for then maybe a 2.7 against it or a 718s? A car which has ceased production has limited availabilty so if you want one the pool to choose from is much smaller , another good example is a mk2 focus Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff