718 GT4 - Have I lost the plot?
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[Original title was 718 > GT4, but the ">" got removed somehow. Meant to be "From 718 to GT4, have I lost the plot?"]
16 months into 718 Cayman (not S) ownership, first Porsche, and it's the second best car I ever owned; have absolutely loved every one of the 17.5k miles I have done in it. Somehow this weekend I got to thinking about chopping it in for a GT4, and I don't know if I completely mad thinking about a GT4 as a daily drive.
The heart goes something like: "I'll live once. The GT4 is probably the best 2 seat sports coupe ever made. I have loved the 718, but have always preferred a bigger NA engine over a little one with forced induction. If I have one chance in my life to own one, then I should take it."
The explanation to my wife: "It's the same as the car you didn't want me to buy 2 years ago, but without me checking my emails every hour for 10 months to see if there's any update on delivery. It has a different engine, but there's nothing about it that you will notice as different. It's a big investment, but it will depreciate slower than the one I have now." (Responded with weary raised eyebrows.)
What got me into thinking about it? Was checking out used 911s on the local OPC's website, and they have a GT4 in exactly the spec I would want, and weirdly enough I was thinking they'd be more expensive by now. Does anyone think the prices are going to stay down for these? Did they make too many of them? I thought they would be creeping up a bit more by now.
Last of all, 718 was 48.5k new. Pretty well mint despite 17.5k mileage (front bumper very nicely painted by Porsche approved in May, and they made a really nice job of it). Anyone want to hazard a guess at what the OPC might offer for trade in? I'm hoping somewhere near 35k to be able to do the deal. I guess some of it depends on the extras I chose, as they were really quite abnormal!
Have I lost the plot? No hardship at all in staying with what I already have.
Liam
16 months into 718 Cayman (not S) ownership, first Porsche, and it's the second best car I ever owned; have absolutely loved every one of the 17.5k miles I have done in it. Somehow this weekend I got to thinking about chopping it in for a GT4, and I don't know if I completely mad thinking about a GT4 as a daily drive.
The heart goes something like: "I'll live once. The GT4 is probably the best 2 seat sports coupe ever made. I have loved the 718, but have always preferred a bigger NA engine over a little one with forced induction. If I have one chance in my life to own one, then I should take it."
The explanation to my wife: "It's the same as the car you didn't want me to buy 2 years ago, but without me checking my emails every hour for 10 months to see if there's any update on delivery. It has a different engine, but there's nothing about it that you will notice as different. It's a big investment, but it will depreciate slower than the one I have now." (Responded with weary raised eyebrows.)
What got me into thinking about it? Was checking out used 911s on the local OPC's website, and they have a GT4 in exactly the spec I would want, and weirdly enough I was thinking they'd be more expensive by now. Does anyone think the prices are going to stay down for these? Did they make too many of them? I thought they would be creeping up a bit more by now.
Last of all, 718 was 48.5k new. Pretty well mint despite 17.5k mileage (front bumper very nicely painted by Porsche approved in May, and they made a really nice job of it). Anyone want to hazard a guess at what the OPC might offer for trade in? I'm hoping somewhere near 35k to be able to do the deal. I guess some of it depends on the extras I chose, as they were really quite abnormal!
Have I lost the plot? No hardship at all in staying with what I already have.
Liam
Edited by LiamH66 on Sunday 23 September 20:44
Edited by LiamH66 on Sunday 23 September 20:46
Krobar said:
I think you should buy your wife a new Porsche and then if you're really nice to your dealer they might sell you a 718 GT4, if it gets the 4.0 then it will be worth it.
You'll be 9 new car purchases short of securing an allocation if you apply the above logic, but you'll probably have a happy wife.I myself would not want to run a GT4 as an everyday car, for one the fuel costs as they like a drink. Plus I think the car is a bit to special to be used everyday and it's much nicer to use it for the Sunday blast and evening run when you feel like it.
The 718 on the other hand then yes run it, as nowhere near as special and it's what it's ment for anyway. But guess the step up will be a large one as the trade in on the 718 is not great
The 718 on the other hand then yes run it, as nowhere near as special and it's what it's ment for anyway. But guess the step up will be a large one as the trade in on the 718 is not great
D.no said:
Krobar said:
I think you should buy your wife a new Porsche and then if you're really nice to your dealer they might sell you a 718 GT4, if it gets the 4.0 then it will be worth it.
You'll be 9 new car purchases short of securing an allocation if you apply the above logic, but you'll probably have a happy wife.DJMC, no, not too bothered about lack of opportunity to exploit the car's capabilities on the road much of the time. I have never really been tempted to take the 718 to a track day yet either, but if I do end up with a GT4 I might consider it. To be honest I can get most of the fun I want driving on the limit from racing my kart (when I have time), and it always reminds me that 7 tenths is plenty for the road in anything. The 718 is stupid fast if you drive it on the limit, I didn't want a Cayman S because the temptation would be too much, but somehow the GT4 "you want one but you can't have one" marketing strategy has resided in the back of my brain somewhere.
Yes, at least £45k to find to bridge the gap, probably closer to 50 (it's quite a well spec'd GT4). I won't be putting miles on the GT4 at the rate I did the 718 - was doing a fortnightly commute from Lancashire to Kent for much of the first year of ownership - will probably do 10k a year in it.
Thanks for all the responses, appreciate the input from everyone. I'm going to view the GT4 tomorrow (but not to test drive it because that would give their sales people a totally unfair advantage). I've had a good chance to weight things up, and just need to see if my excitement levels are equal to the task of making me find the money.
Liam
Interesting how close the performance stats are on the base 718 vs GT4
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/famb9ubpcc1b
Do you really want a slower 0-60 time ?
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/famb9ubpcc1b
Do you really want a slower 0-60 time ?
I wouldn't daily drive a GT4, disregarding depreciation arguments, the clutch is very heavy. If you're able to go through a couple hours of slow moving stop/start traffic and come out still thinking it was a good idea, I'd be surprised. Depending on your drive, if you have to deal with traffic or don't have any opportunity to enjoy good roads for a decent stretch, is there much point?
davidc1 said:
I would rather get a hot hatch and a 981gts...
Maxym said:
You'd be better off in a 981 GTS. I'm sure Twinfan will be along soon to agree.
For the folk that claim I supposedly ram the 981 GTS down people's throats, I'd like you to notice that I've posted in this thread but the two folks above mentioned the 981 GTS - not me
I think if the OP wants a GT4 then a GTS isn't of interest. It's the same when suggesting a Cayman to someone who wants a 911.As for the GT4 being too special to daily drive I disagree. it's a Cayman like any other in that regard, albeit one with lower and firmer suspension that likes to burn through petrol even more rapidly.
n4aat said:
I think there is something wrong with those 718 stats.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-porsche-718-cayman-pdk-automatic-test-reviews-acar-and-driverCar and Driver clocked the base pdk at 3.9s.
“That’s also 0.2 second quicker than the 2016 Cayman GT4, with its 385-hp 3.8-liter flat-six derived from the 2016 911 Carrera S’s.”
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th September 08:08
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