981 Boxster S vs GTS
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GregorFuk said:
I tried a GTS PDK. Ruled the manual out as I'd head about the long gearing. Was shocked to find that even in full manual mode the PDK would still kick down and change up automatically. it put me right off the system as I was used to full control coming from an M3 CSL. Ended up in a manual 987 Spyder.
Sure PDK in full manual mode will bounce off limiter and not change up. Full manual is gear stick pushed to left not just pulling a paddle.I was in a similar situation late Spring / early Summer.
Had been searching 'high and low' for a high spec, manual CGTS and was looking to pay circa £58k - £66k if I recall.
However a 2014 manual 981 S came up with £18k worth of desirable options and only 13k miles on the clock and I bought it 24 hrs after the ad appeared because, apart from being mint, manuals were silly rare at the time. The only thing the car didn't have, which I would have liked, were PDLS headlights plus it was Basalt Black, which looks fantastic when freshly washed but is a ball-ache to maintain. Luckily I don't mind getting the buckets and hose out. Then found out last week, when I finally received my production certificate from Porsche, that the car had PTV fitted as well. That wasn't in the ad, or on the dealer spec sheet, so I got a bit of a result there!
Was therefore a no-brainer for me as I paid £14k to £22k less than I would have for a GTS although I did appreciate that, performance and cosmetic improvements aside, (of which there are some nice touches), the residuals on a GTS were likely to remain stronger than the S being the more desirable model.
However for a few months afterwards I still kept an eye out for a CGTS and made a few enquiries, which tells its own story I suppose. But after realising that getting a like-for-like or 'close-enough' spec in terms of the extras was a tough ask, I decided to give up, save myself a packet and instead started to make a few simple mods to the car, which are ongoing. (Cheers Jay!)
I've no regrets.
Had been searching 'high and low' for a high spec, manual CGTS and was looking to pay circa £58k - £66k if I recall.
However a 2014 manual 981 S came up with £18k worth of desirable options and only 13k miles on the clock and I bought it 24 hrs after the ad appeared because, apart from being mint, manuals were silly rare at the time. The only thing the car didn't have, which I would have liked, were PDLS headlights plus it was Basalt Black, which looks fantastic when freshly washed but is a ball-ache to maintain. Luckily I don't mind getting the buckets and hose out. Then found out last week, when I finally received my production certificate from Porsche, that the car had PTV fitted as well. That wasn't in the ad, or on the dealer spec sheet, so I got a bit of a result there!
Was therefore a no-brainer for me as I paid £14k to £22k less than I would have for a GTS although I did appreciate that, performance and cosmetic improvements aside, (of which there are some nice touches), the residuals on a GTS were likely to remain stronger than the S being the more desirable model.
However for a few months afterwards I still kept an eye out for a CGTS and made a few enquiries, which tells its own story I suppose. But after realising that getting a like-for-like or 'close-enough' spec in terms of the extras was a tough ask, I decided to give up, save myself a packet and instead started to make a few simple mods to the car, which are ongoing. (Cheers Jay!)
I've no regrets.
Edited by JustCallMeMac on Monday 22 October 15:03
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diffstar said:
Sure PDK in full manual mode will bounce off limiter and not change up. Full manual is gear stick pushed to left not just pulling a paddle.
Correct. It will not change up automatically, or kick down, but will change to 1st automatically when coming to a stop. Doesn't look like it was being used in manual and was reliant on just using the paddles.JustCallMeMac said:
I was in a similar situation late Spring / early Summer.
Had been searching 'high and low' for a high spec, manual CGTS and was looking to pay circa £58k - £66k if I recall.
However a 2014 manual 981 S came up with £18k worth of desirable options and only 13k miles on the clock and I bought it 24 hrs after the ad appeared because, apart from being mint, manuals were silly rare at the time. The only thing the car didn't have, which I would have liked, were PDLS headlights plus it was Basalt Black, which looks fantastic when freshly washed but is a ball-ache to maintain. Luckily I don't mind getting the buckets and hose out. Then found out last week, when I finally received my production certificate from Porsche, that the car had PTV fitted as well. That wasn't in the ad, or on the dealer spec sheet, so I got a bit of a result there!
Was therefore a no-brainer for me as I paid £14k to £22k less than I would have for a GTS although I did appreciate that, performance and cosmetic improvements aside, (of which there are some nice touches), the residuals on a GTS were likely to remain stronger than the S being the more desirable model.
However for a few months afterwards I still kept an eye out for a CGTS and made a few enquiries, which tells its own story I suppose. But after realising that getting a like-for-like or 'close-enough' spec in terms of the extras was a tough ask, I decided to give up, save myself a packet and instead started to make a few simple mods to the car, which are ongoing. (Cheers Jay!)
I've no regrets.
Your welcome mate. My wife took the GTS out for the first time since I fitted the GT4 Shifter and GT4 Steering Wheel. She returned 45 minutes later after blasting through lanes with positive comments about both parts. Shift wise she said it felt a more natural position and not high up, and shorter. You'll love it!Had been searching 'high and low' for a high spec, manual CGTS and was looking to pay circa £58k - £66k if I recall.
However a 2014 manual 981 S came up with £18k worth of desirable options and only 13k miles on the clock and I bought it 24 hrs after the ad appeared because, apart from being mint, manuals were silly rare at the time. The only thing the car didn't have, which I would have liked, were PDLS headlights plus it was Basalt Black, which looks fantastic when freshly washed but is a ball-ache to maintain. Luckily I don't mind getting the buckets and hose out. Then found out last week, when I finally received my production certificate from Porsche, that the car had PTV fitted as well. That wasn't in the ad, or on the dealer spec sheet, so I got a bit of a result there!
Was therefore a no-brainer for me as I paid £14k to £22k less than I would have for a GTS although I did appreciate that, performance and cosmetic improvements aside, (of which there are some nice touches), the residuals on a GTS were likely to remain stronger than the S being the more desirable model.
However for a few months afterwards I still kept an eye out for a CGTS and made a few enquiries, which tells its own story I suppose. But after realising that getting a like-for-like or 'close-enough' spec in terms of the extras was a tough ask, I decided to give up, save myself a packet and instead started to make a few simple mods to the car, which are ongoing. (Cheers Jay!)
I've no regrets.
mr pg said:
diffstar said:
Sure PDK in full manual mode will bounce off limiter and not change up. Full manual is gear stick pushed to left not just pulling a paddle.
Correct. It will not change up automatically, or kick down, but will change to 1st automatically when coming to a stop. Doesn't look like it was being used in manual and was reliant on just using the paddles.Porsche911R said:
TBKBABAB said:
I tend to ignore options I wouldn’t actually pay for new but this is the first time I’ve tried to
buy something where the supply is so limited so think I have to be very patient, which I find difficult once I’ve decided I want to change.
It’s a shame the white one which I’m sure is John’s has the bucket seats, you can argue that should be a premium but really a no go for me.
some one would swap seats I am sure.buy something where the supply is so limited so think I have to be very patient, which I find difficult once I’ve decided I want to change.
It’s a shame the white one which I’m sure is John’s has the bucket seats, you can argue that should be a premium but really a no go for me.
Rrrriiigghhtttttttt.........
boxsey said:
mr pg said:
diffstar said:
Sure PDK in full manual mode will bounce off limiter and not change up. Full manual is gear stick pushed to left not just pulling a paddle.
Correct. It will not change up automatically, or kick down, but will change to 1st automatically when coming to a stop. Doesn't look like it was being used in manual and was reliant on just using the paddles.TBKBABAB said:
I Intend to buy a 981 Boxster in the next couple of months.
Will be very picky on specs, manual only, must haves Sport Chrono, pasm, pcm, heated seats and a/c, will want pse but prepared to retrofit if I have to.
I was in a very similar situation to you in 2016, i wanted a brightly coloured (but not yellow) manual S, with heated sports seats & PASM. Theory being if i found one with that, but nothing else, i could still retrofit cruise, PSE & (probably) PCM if i could be bothered. Was only interested in the S as i was coming out of an e90 M3/230bhp Mini R53 and the non-S just felt slow. Drove both PDK and Manual and the latter was my preference, it took a while to find the right spec as everyone wants auto these days!!Will be very picky on specs, manual only, must haves Sport Chrono, pasm, pcm, heated seats and a/c, will want pse but prepared to retrofit if I have to.
In terms of options, i tend to call it "drivers spec", so Sport Chrono, PASM & PTV/LSD. Had previously always dreamed about the GTS, but then realised that didnt come with the LSD as standard either. For only £800 extra, im amazed barely anyone ticked the box, its a sports car FFS
Its also got Sports Plus Seats with heating AND cooling (weird, but awesome in the summer), Sport Design steering wheel (just so much nicer than the standard/MFSW one), Xenons with PDLS (mega, had them on my RS3 as well, not something id spec myself, but very cool), then PCM with Bluetooth and BOSE (epic stereo, better than the B&O in the RS3). No parking sensors or auto climate, but i dont tend to park it/leave it anywhere other than home and only drive with the roof down, so its not too much of a biggie.The only thing i wish it had, to be perfect in fact, would be a PSE, but well, i only do 2k miles a year in it, so it didnt seem like particularly good VFM.
I've considered selling it lately, as it just sits there under its cover most of the time - to go back to an e90 M3 (instead of this + e90 330i), but wifey usually says no! Her reason being that if we did let it go, we'd never be able to find another in the same spec. I can understand that, i dreamt of owning a Porsche from childhood, but im also fed up living in a 1 bed flat and having 3 cars
Anyway, enough rambling, all i can say is, if you want a certain spec, hold out for it, otherwise you'll spend all your time after buying the car, looking for the one that you really wanted, instead of enjoying the one you bought
Interested to read that theres demand for manual GTS with X73 because ive got one in the garage and the wife keeps telling me to sell it because i dont use it much >>>>>
What do you think it would sell for ? . Nov 2014 , 22,500 miles , one owner, full gts interior including coloured stitching and carbon trim , porsche extended warranty for 13 months . A few other less significant options .
What do you think it would sell for ? . Nov 2014 , 22,500 miles , one owner, full gts interior including coloured stitching and carbon trim , porsche extended warranty for 13 months . A few other less significant options .
As above, you are able to hit the limiter if you so wish in manual mode. Auto kick down is possible in manual mode if you stamp very aggressively on the throttle in a higher gear than optimal. In this scenario PDK quite rightly assumes you want to move forward as quickly as possible as you have gone beyond the stop and hit the kick down pad.
It's something that you wouldn't normally do because you'd be in the correct gear to correlate with your level of pedal aggression.
If it bothers the purist types craving automated perfection you can replace the small piece behind the throttle to disable but it's a non issue in reality so rather pointless.
It's something that you wouldn't normally do because you'd be in the correct gear to correlate with your level of pedal aggression.
If it bothers the purist types craving automated perfection you can replace the small piece behind the throttle to disable but it's a non issue in reality so rather pointless.
testdrive_tv said:
If it bothers the purist types craving automated perfection you can replace the small piece behind the throttle to disable but it's a non issue in reality so rather pointless.
You have to be pretty lead footed to hit it by accident. I did a couple of times when first had the car - but never since.Sir_Dave said:
TBKBABAB said:
I Intend to buy a 981 Boxster in the next couple of months.
Will be very picky on specs, manual only, must haves Sport Chrono, pasm, pcm, heated seats and a/c, will want pse but prepared to retrofit if I have to.
I was in a very similar situation to you in 2016, i wanted a brightly coloured (but not yellow) manual S, with heated sports seats & PASM. Theory being if i found one with that, but nothing else, i could still retrofit cruise, PSE & (probably) PCM if i could be bothered. Was only interested in the S as i was coming out of an e90 M3/230bhp Mini R53 and the non-S just felt slow. Drove both PDK and Manual and the latter was my preference, it took a while to find the right spec as everyone wants auto these days!!Will be very picky on specs, manual only, must haves Sport Chrono, pasm, pcm, heated seats and a/c, will want pse but prepared to retrofit if I have to.
In terms of options, i tend to call it "drivers spec", so Sport Chrono, PASM & PTV/LSD. Had previously always dreamed about the GTS, but then realised that didnt come with the LSD as standard either. For only £800 extra, im amazed barely anyone ticked the box, its a sports car FFS
Its also got Sports Plus Seats with heating AND cooling (weird, but awesome in the summer), Sport Design steering wheel (just so much nicer than the standard/MFSW one), Xenons with PDLS (mega, had them on my RS3 as well, not something id spec myself, but very cool), then PCM with Bluetooth and BOSE (epic stereo, better than the B&O in the RS3). No parking sensors or auto climate, but i dont tend to park it/leave it anywhere other than home and only drive with the roof down, so its not too much of a biggie.The only thing i wish it had, to be perfect in fact, would be a PSE, but well, i only do 2k miles a year in it, so it didnt seem like particularly good VFM.
I've considered selling it lately, as it just sits there under its cover most of the time - to go back to an e90 M3 (instead of this + e90 330i), but wifey usually says no! Her reason being that if we did let it go, we'd never be able to find another in the same spec. I can understand that, i dreamt of owning a Porsche from childhood, but im also fed up living in a 1 bed flat and having 3 cars
Anyway, enough rambling, all i can say is, if you want a certain spec, hold out for it, otherwise you'll spend all your time after buying the car, looking for the one that you really wanted, instead of enjoying the one you bought
LSD, I haven't seen the need for an LSD, there is alot of mechanical grip, plenty enough for the road, and I drive a on the edge.
What i suffer with is understeer, hence the need for more camber, and stickier rubber. If your doing track days then you may want one, but doesn't PTV kill rear brake pads? I'll know if i miss a diff once I've hit Silverstone in two weeks.
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