Pagid RS29 on 981 Cayman S - acceptable for a daily driver?
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I am starting to do a few more trackdays now and and keen to upgrade my standard pads to something with better track performance. However, I also use my Cayman as a daily driver including town driving. I have seen mixed reviews with Pagid RS29 with respect to day-today use; some people complain about terrible squealing whilst others have said that they have had no troubles. I suspect there may be variation with different cars so would be grateful to hear experience of other Porsche drivers. One solution is to change pads before and after each trackday, but I would prefer to just have one pad that allows me to do around 3-4 trackdays a year whilst also being acceptable on road. Any other pad suggestions gratefully recieved.
I am starting to do a few more trackdays now and and keen to upgrade my standard pads to something with better track performance. However, I also use my Cayman as a daily driver including town driving. I have seen mixed reviews with Pagid RS29 with respect to day-today use; some people complain about terrible squealing whilst others have said that they have had no troubles. I suspect there may be variation with different cars so would be grateful to hear experience of other Porsche drivers. One solution is to change pads before and after each trackday, but I would prefer to just have one pad that allows me to do around 3-4 trackdays a year whilst also being acceptable on road. Any other pad suggestions gratefully recieved.
Ds2500 is the starting range, might be worth a go, far cheaper and a great road pad.
Ds1.11 if you want a better pad.
Endless if you want the best but about £800 a set.
Changing pads don’t work because of the way rs29 work, they hate cross pad contamination on the disks.
They take one hell of a bedding in on the road, if at all even possible hence most people’s squeal, if you do bed them in they work great as a road pad though.
Ds1.11 if you want a better pad.
Endless if you want the best but about £800 a set.
Changing pads don’t work because of the way rs29 work, they hate cross pad contamination on the disks.
They take one hell of a bedding in on the road, if at all even possible hence most people’s squeal, if you do bed them in they work great as a road pad though.
anonymous said:
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Pagids are designed to transfer pad to the disk and that’s why they work so well and need very high temps to bed them in, swaping to a track pad for the day is pointless and will just generate heat esp in the small disks the 981 has, also swapping pads in the new cars is not straight forward, it’s a full caliper off job now days a bit of a pitter all told. After trying out loads of pads for track and race cars I ended up going with Carbon Lorraine and heat treated discs to run longer stinits. The Carbon Lorraine are available in different compounds and I think the RC6 do well for both road and track. They keep dust down compared to RS29 and DS2500/3000.
Main thing though as Steve has said is to change the brake fluid, in the end I ran Castrol SRF, it's expensive but never boiled over 40 minute stinits
Main thing though as Steve has said is to change the brake fluid, in the end I ran Castrol SRF, it's expensive but never boiled over 40 minute stinits
Thanks for all of the helpful replies so far. It sounds like RS29s may be overkill for my requirements. I will do some research into DS2500s. Has anybody tried these on their Porsche? if so, are they good in day-to day driving?
With regard to DIY pad changes for trackdays, I am planning to try one pad for all purposes in the first instance, and if I find it unsatisfactory I will invest in the necessary tools and learn to change my own pads. Given that I am only doing a handful of track days per year, I just want pads that are better than stock rather than truly racing-spec equipment. When getting the new pads, I will also get better brake fluid too.
With regard to DIY pad changes for trackdays, I am planning to try one pad for all purposes in the first instance, and if I find it unsatisfactory I will invest in the necessary tools and learn to change my own pads. Given that I am only doing a handful of track days per year, I just want pads that are better than stock rather than truly racing-spec equipment. When getting the new pads, I will also get better brake fluid too.
So after taking on board all of the replies on this thread I have decided to go down the DIY route of swapping pads in and out for trackdays. It sounds like RS29s are a good option for trackday-only pads. Where is the best place to buy them? And (silly question.....) are these pads one-size fits all or do I have to get a specific type for my car?
Nomes said:
So after taking on board all of the replies on this thread I have decided to go down the DIY route of swapping pads in and out for trackdays. It sounds like RS29s are a good option for trackday-only pads. Where is the best place to buy them? And (silly question.....) are these pads one-size fits all or do I have to get a specific type for my car?
If you're anywhere near Huddersfield I may be of assistance. PM me if you wish.Nomes said:
So after taking on board all of the replies on this thread I have decided to go down the DIY route of swapping pads in and out for trackdays. It sounds like RS29s are a good option for trackday-only pads. Where is the best place to buy them? And (silly question.....) are these pads one-size fits all or do I have to get a specific type for my car?
Late to this thread. I can only reiterate the suggestions made on proper bedding-in - not least if you want to minimise squealing. Best to check bedding-in procedure before actually fitting the pads. IIRC they require repeated braking from speeds of around 90+ mph - so you cannot do this on public UK roads. Best to time fitting of pads such that you can run a proper bedding in procedures right afterwards. OP - RSL29 are usable on the road, but you sacrifice a lot of cold bite and they will squeal. - They are Pagids Race Endurance pad, so unless your doing a track day once or twice a month your better off looking elsewhere.
As others have said they need serious heat cycles, when you see them in callipers and they are nice and yellow in color, unless they have just been installed, they haven’t been used, when you use them as intended they go black!
RS(L)29 are seen as somewhat of a must have fashion assessory by many Porsche owners whom only ever intend to run their cars on the road, personally I dont see how you could ever get them to a consistent operating temperature on the road.
Don’t get me wrong, they are a great track pad, because thats what they have been designed for.
For your suggested application I would go something akin to Pagid RS42.
Also fit GT3 front brake ducts and run Castrol SRF or Motul RBF660 fluid. - Both cheap upgrades that made a difference.
As others have said they need serious heat cycles, when you see them in callipers and they are nice and yellow in color, unless they have just been installed, they haven’t been used, when you use them as intended they go black!
RS(L)29 are seen as somewhat of a must have fashion assessory by many Porsche owners whom only ever intend to run their cars on the road, personally I dont see how you could ever get them to a consistent operating temperature on the road.
Don’t get me wrong, they are a great track pad, because thats what they have been designed for.
For your suggested application I would go something akin to Pagid RS42.
Also fit GT3 front brake ducts and run Castrol SRF or Motul RBF660 fluid. - Both cheap upgrades that made a difference.
Edited by CrashBang on Saturday 5th January 23:28
Just to update the thread
I have decided to go with Ferodo DS2500s and Motul RBF660 to begin with. The RSL29s are substantially more expensive, so I wanted to see if the Ferodos were sufficient for my needs before spending the extra. I have also bitten the bullet and learnt how to do the brake pad/fluid changes myself, so will be putting the new pads on prior to a trackday in March.
Thanks for all of the advice. Will update with my thoughts on the pads after the trackday.
I have decided to go with Ferodo DS2500s and Motul RBF660 to begin with. The RSL29s are substantially more expensive, so I wanted to see if the Ferodos were sufficient for my needs before spending the extra. I have also bitten the bullet and learnt how to do the brake pad/fluid changes myself, so will be putting the new pads on prior to a trackday in March.
Thanks for all of the advice. Will update with my thoughts on the pads after the trackday.
Late update on this thread, just in case it helps anyone else. I have now done 3 trackdays on Ferodo DS2500 pads and Motul RBF660 fluid and the improvement in braking longevity compared to stock is substantial. I would definitely recommend this for any Cayman owners who do a few trackdays per year. Interestingly, whilst my intention was to swap pads between trackdays, I have found the DS2500s to be great on road so I haven't had to swap back out to stock pads. These seem to be a very good all-round solution for anyone not keen on DIY pad swapping. The only caveat is that I do end up with a pretty spongy pedal following trackdays, but this is resolved with a brake fluid flush. I suspect Castrol SRF would be better in this regard, so I may try that in future.
Nomes said:
Late update on this thread, just in case it helps anyone else. I have now done 3 trackdays on Ferodo DS2500 pads and Motul RBF660 fluid and the improvement in braking longevity compared to stock is substantial. I would definitely recommend this for any Cayman owners who do a few trackdays per year. Interestingly, whilst my intention was to swap pads between trackdays, I have found the DS2500s to be great on road so I haven't had to swap back out to stock pads. These seem to be a very good all-round solution for anyone not keen on DIY pad swapping. The only caveat is that I do end up with a pretty spongy pedal following trackdays, but this is resolved with a brake fluid flush. I suspect Castrol SRF would be better in this regard, so I may try that in future.
Motul RBF 660 is decent stuff, but for what it costs, you're probably better off going the extra mile and using Castrol SRF. The RBF 660 has a lower wet boiling point than the Castrol SRF, not so critical if your using the car for road use only, but on track, as you've found out, you'll end up having to bleed the RBF 660 out after a session that puts the already under-specced brakes under duress.
A decent comparison chart can be found here :
https://parsbrorc.com/?page_id=33
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 14th October 16:35
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