Pagid RS29 on 981 Cayman S - acceptable for a daily driver?

Pagid RS29 on 981 Cayman S - acceptable for a daily driver?

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Nomes

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40 posts

119 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Hi

I am starting to do a few more trackdays now and and keen to upgrade my standard pads to something with better track performance. However, I also use my Cayman as a daily driver including town driving. I have seen mixed reviews with Pagid RS29 with respect to day-today use; some people complain about terrible squealing whilst others have said that they have had no troubles. I suspect there may be variation with different cars so would be grateful to hear experience of other Porsche drivers. One solution is to change pads before and after each trackday, but I would prefer to just have one pad that allows me to do around 3-4 trackdays a year whilst also being acceptable on road. Any other pad suggestions gratefully recieved.

jbaddeley

769 posts

143 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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They'll be fine. Bed them as Paigd recommend and you'll have no issue. Brilliant pads. Run them in my e36 which I have occasionally used as a daily for short periods and no issues at all. You will need some good wheel cleaner though as they are heavy on brake dust.

jbaddeley

769 posts

143 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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They do take a bit longer to warm up and bite properly than normal pads imo.

Porsche911R

16,242 posts

203 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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Ds2500 is the starting range, might be worth a go, far cheaper and a great road pad.
Ds1.11 if you want a better pad.

Endless if you want the best but about £800 a set.

Changing pads don’t work because of the way rs29 work, they hate cross pad contamination on the disks.

They take one hell of a bedding in on the road, if at all even possible hence most people’s squeal, if you do bed them in they work great as a road pad though.

Steve Rance

4,834 posts

169 months

Sunday 30th December 2018
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As above. A good track/road pad but make sure that you bed them in properly and if they do squeal occasionally, just do some big stops and they will quieten down. Also make sure that you change your brake fluid to Castrol R or similar racing fluid.
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cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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For one pad to do it all, I would go with something a little more compromised / less track focus than the RS29. I couldn't be doing with the dust from the Pagids on a daily. I'd go for a slightly milder pad that will be less dusty day to day. Such a pad won't be quite as good on track. But I'd personally prefer a little less performance those three or four days a year in return for something easier to live with the other 360-odd days.

That said, I would, in reality, just get a set of track pads and use them on track days. Swapping pads out is a doddle DIY. Anyone can do it with very basic tools. Once you've done it a few times, you'll be swapping them in and out like a pro.

Porsche911R

16,242 posts

203 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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cmoose said:
For one pad to do it all, I would go with something a little more compromised / less track focus than the RS29. I couldn't be doing with the dust from the Pagids on a daily. I'd go for a slightly milder pad that will be less dusty day to day. Such a pad won't be quite as good on track. But I'd personally prefer a little less performance those three or four days a year in return for something easier to live with the other 360-odd days.

That said, I would, in reality, just get a set of track pads and use them on track days. Swapping pads out is a doddle DIY. Anyone can do it with very basic tools. Once you've done it a few times, you'll be swapping them in and out like a pro.
Pagids are designed to transfer pad to the disk and that’s why they work so well and need very high temps to bed them in, swaping to a track pad for the day is pointless and will just generate heat esp in the small disks the 981 has, also swapping pads in the new cars is not straight forward, it’s a full caliper off job now days a bit of a pitter all told.

JayK12

1,521 posts

140 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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After trying out loads of pads for track and race cars I ended up going with Carbon Lorraine and heat treated discs to run longer stinits. The Carbon Lorraine are available in different compounds and I think the RC6 do well for both road and track. They keep dust down compared to RS29 and DS2500/3000.

Main thing though as Steve has said is to change the brake fluid, in the end I ran Castrol SRF, it's expensive but never boiled over 40 minute stinits


cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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I would personally warn against using something as aggressive as the DS3000. I've damaged wheels and bodywork courtesy of the crazy hot dust they kick out.

As above, it'll be zero problem swapping the pads in and out for track days. Track is the one place where you can very easily and immediately out some nice big stops into the pad/disc.

Like I said, if I had to use just one pad, I would lean towards a solution that favoured the 360 days a bit more than the three to four days. But you don't have to do that. Swapping the pads is easy, the calipers involve a couple of main bolts and a few other bits and pieces. Once you've done it a few times, you'll be doing all four corners in no time. Swapping in pads for track days is a no brainer IMO.

gtsralph

730 posts

82 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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What are the views on using new calliper bolts each time the current type of callipers are removed to change pads?

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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gtsralph said:
What are the views on using new calliper bolts each time the current type of callipers are removed to change pads?
I'd reuse in this context. My view is that the main problem with reusing is related to the bolts seizing, which isn't going to be a risk if you are swapping the pads multiple times a year.

The bolts worry I think applies to cars that only accrue under, say, 5k miles or whatever, point being there's a long time interval between pad or disc changes. I rarely go more than about six months on a set of pads and have always reused bolts and never have a problem with them seizing.

Nomes

Original Poster:

40 posts

119 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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Thanks for all of the helpful replies so far. It sounds like RS29s may be overkill for my requirements. I will do some research into DS2500s. Has anybody tried these on their Porsche? if so, are they good in day-to day driving?

With regard to DIY pad changes for trackdays, I am planning to try one pad for all purposes in the first instance, and if I find it unsatisfactory I will invest in the necessary tools and learn to change my own pads. Given that I am only doing a handful of track days per year, I just want pads that are better than stock rather than truly racing-spec equipment. When getting the new pads, I will also get better brake fluid too.

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Monday 31st December 2018
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I've used DS2500 before, on road and track, albeit not on a Porsche. They're OK, a reasonable compromise given the lower cost. But dusty! Pain in the arse on a daily.

I still think pad swapping is the way forward. Once you've got the hang of it, you'll be looking at about an hour and half the evening before each track day and then again when you get back. Think that's fine a few times a year. Then you can have really good pads for track days and no compromises the other 360 days a year.

Nomes

Original Poster:

40 posts

119 months

Saturday 5th January
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So after taking on board all of the replies on this thread I have decided to go down the DIY route of swapping pads in and out for trackdays. It sounds like RS29s are a good option for trackday-only pads. Where is the best place to buy them? And (silly question.....) are these pads one-size fits all or do I have to get a specific type for my car?

Feirny

1,554 posts

85 months

Saturday 5th January
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Nomes said:
So after taking on board all of the replies on this thread I have decided to go down the DIY route of swapping pads in and out for trackdays. It sounds like RS29s are a good option for trackday-only pads. Where is the best place to buy them? And (silly question.....) are these pads one-size fits all or do I have to get a specific type for my car?
If you're anywhere near Huddersfield I may be of assistance. PM me if you wish.

Dr S

4,261 posts

164 months

Saturday 5th January
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Nomes said:
So after taking on board all of the replies on this thread I have decided to go down the DIY route of swapping pads in and out for trackdays. It sounds like RS29s are a good option for trackday-only pads. Where is the best place to buy them? And (silly question.....) are these pads one-size fits all or do I have to get a specific type for my car?
Late to this thread. I can only reiterate the suggestions made on proper bedding-in - not least if you want to minimise squealing. Best to check bedding-in procedure before actually fitting the pads. IIRC they require repeated braking from speeds of around 90+ mph - so you cannot do this on public UK roads. Best to time fitting of pads such that you can run a proper bedding in procedures right afterwards.

CrashBang

135 posts

93 months

Saturday 5th January
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OP - RSL29 are usable on the road, but you sacrifice a lot of cold bite and they will squeal. - They are Pagids Race Endurance pad, so unless your doing a track day once or twice a month your better off looking elsewhere.

As others have said they need serious heat cycles, when you see them in callipers and they are nice and yellow in color, unless they have just been installed, they haven’t been used, when you use them as intended they go black!

RS(L)29 are seen as somewhat of a must have fashion assessory by many Porsche owners whom only ever intend to run their cars on the road, personally I dont see how you could ever get them to a consistent operating temperature on the road.

Don’t get me wrong, they are a great track pad, because thats what they have been designed for.

For your suggested application I would go something akin to Pagid RS42.

Also fit GT3 front brake ducts and run Castrol SRF or Motul RBF660 fluid. - Both cheap upgrades that made a difference.



Edited by CrashBang on Saturday 5th January 23:28

Nomes

Original Poster:

40 posts

119 months

Monday 11th February
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Just to update the thread

I have decided to go with Ferodo DS2500s and Motul RBF660 to begin with. The RSL29s are substantially more expensive, so I wanted to see if the Ferodos were sufficient for my needs before spending the extra. I have also bitten the bullet and learnt how to do the brake pad/fluid changes myself, so will be putting the new pads on prior to a trackday in March.

Thanks for all of the advice. Will update with my thoughts on the pads after the trackday.