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LordGrover

30,212 posts

150 months

Wednesday 6th February
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It takes two...

Porsche911R

16,242 posts

203 months

Wednesday 6th February
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cmoose said:
I clearly highlighted the bit I was talking about was the first phase of turn in, to use his words. It can't be that hard to understand, can it? Really?

Drifting has nothing to do with it and, as is usually the case, you don't understand the things you're posting about. Not sure if the OP is familiar with your back catalogue of gibberish, if so nothing to worry about as he will know your form!

Again, I'm not dictating anything, just making a suggestion. Hopefully your muddle-brained nonsense won't distract from that. It's a pity to get bogged down disputing this kind of nonsense.
again the 1st phase has to do with the mid engine nature of the car vs the 911 nothing to do with 17" wheels as I stated, and no shock he felt that way, hence I loved hooning about in my R's for 5 years.

to go back to 2011 if you like reviews :-) on Autocars best drivers car 2011.
Steve Sutcliffe described the winning Cayman R’s steering as “about as sweet as it gets,”


Go do a vehicle dynamics course or some thing ;-) I think you need to under stand "slip-Angles"

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Wednesday 6th February
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Porsche911R said:
again the 1st phase has to do with the mid engine nature of the car vs the 911 nothing to do with 17" wheels as I stated, and no shock he felt that way, hence I loved hooning about in my R's for 5 years.
Nope, he was talking about drifting. You said so yourself. What's all this 'first phase' nonsense?

Radish

84 posts

66 months

Wednesday 6th February
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The Boxster 987.2 manual is a delight apart, that is, from the underwhelming standard halogen lights.

woodysnr

618 posts

166 months

Wednesday 6th February
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Happy motoring in your new car ...If you remember I meet you at the dealership in Edinburgh when you took delivery off your Spyder ..I still have mine but sold the 981 Spyder a few weeks ago and bought a nice 3.2s 986 to use and keep the Spyder for special trips .
Brian
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jayxx83

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280 posts

134 months

Wednesday 6th February
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Hi Brian

Yes feels like only yesterday that I was up there. Thanks for coming down! Glad to hear you are still enjoying yours :-)

Re the post about halogen lights. I actually thought they were quite good for halogens. Had a 2014 e class at the time which had led lights and on high beam the Porsche was actually quite nice.

I have seen some Phillips led bulbs which are about £130-150 which replace stock headlight bulbs. Could be a good shout.

Can’t wait for the weekend!

kilarney

341 posts

161 months

Wednesday 6th February
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I have done something similar and sold my 981 spyder now replaced with 987.2 s. Its no spyder but I enjoy it just as much and in some ways more as im less precious about it.

The only area its significantly behind a 981 is torsional stiffness, noticeable with the roof down. I actually prefer the quiet exhaust because Im old and want to make progress without attracting unwanted attention. No regrets at the bargain price.

ginettajoe

1,840 posts

156 months

Thursday 7th February
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cmoose said:
Porsche911R said:
to quote his line
"It isn.t necessary to drive at speed to generate noticeable slip angles"

he is talking about drifting as that's all he does lol
I clearly highlighted the bit I was talking about was the first phase of turn in, to use his words. It can't be that hard to understand, can it? Really?

Drifting has nothing to do with it and, as is usually the case, you don't understand the things you're posting about. Not sure if the OP is familiar with your back catalogue of gibberish, if so nothing to worry about as he will know your form!

Again, I'm not dictating anything, just making a suggestion. Hopefully your muddle-brained nonsense won't distract from that. It's a pity to get bogged down disputing this kind of nonsense.
Oh Marcus, you have a wonderful way with words!! rofl

jayxx83

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280 posts

134 months

Thursday 7th February
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kilarney said:
I have done something similar and sold my 981 spyder now replaced with 987.2 s. Its no spyder but I enjoy it just as much and in some ways more as im less precious about it.

The only area its significantly behind a 981 is torsional stiffness, noticeable with the roof down. I actually prefer the quiet exhaust because Im old and want to make progress without attracting unwanted attention. No regrets at the bargain price.
That’s also a part of the appeal. Cheaper so less bothered about it. If turns out to be something I fall In love with, already know some choice interior and style mods which will really set it off individually. Nothing like a lovely cosseting interior!

Do you get more over run sound with it being non dfi? I remember my spider popped once after a hard drive and actually scared me. Hate these new contrived pops and bangs mapped in. In the old days a proper bang meant you have had a solid drive. Not ponying around trying to attract attention.

jayxx83

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280 posts

134 months

Monday 11th February
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Right, after 400 miles seat time there is lots to report back.

Firstly the car doesn’t remotely feel run in. Engine feels tight and the brakes feel totally awesome. More to look forward to when it loosens up. The brake pedal feels far better than my old Spyder which had around half a cm of travel before you got into the brakes. These work straight away but don’t have the new car grabbyness, just progressive feel as you press harder.

This car is on Conti SC3 N1 which are brand new and not the Michelin’s I mistakenly thought were on there. Still they don’t seem to bad but building my confidence in them as never had Conti before.

Things I love. The damping is awesome. Very stiff and controlled, but doesn’t crash. Just a notch down from the Spyder making it that bit more ideal for day to day. Around 40 mph it’s gliding over the surface but totally keyed in.

Love the stock leather seats. You can sit far lower than the sport buckets and being able to recline means you don’t need to be sitting upright in traffic which is far better for daily use. As much as I love buckets, for a daily it’s pointless imo. I did daily my mini works for 5 years with recaro pole positions so perhaps those seats are an exception.

You can pull the steering wheel right out and all the way down to get butted up next to the engine.

Coming back to a nice stiff clutch, connected gear shift, steering you actually have to put some effort into and a brake pedal that is so feelsome is a total joy. I feel like I’m driving again.

The engine on the motorway was pretty good. Cruising in 6th and overtaking was adequate enough. Probably less usable than a Porsche should be in most people’s eyes power wise, but on my daily commute, it’s actually perfect. You are rarely above the speed limit but you can still thrash and enjoy the engine sound, the connectivity through the bends and quick reaction of the car.

Going hard through first second and third shows the car is clearly quick enough and when going through bends need to up your heel and toe game to be able to drop down to second. No leaving in 3rd and riding the torque. Fun factor is massively increased and skills are improving as the miles go on. This car makes you a better driver!

The creature comforts are nice, climate, heated seats, cup holders. All stuff the Spyder didn’t have which would have made it more usable daily. Still I guess not in character with that car. Just feels cozy driving around in it.

In conclusion, I think my mods will be fairly limited as the car is amazing out of the box. 9 excellence said with a decent tune and manifolds 20whp is possible. I guess if it gives it another 20lb ft which most research suggests the car will pretty much be perfect for B roads. Just needs that flat sport around 3k mapped out. A fast road geo from the same people made the Spyder epic so will replicate here.

Not enough exhaust noise, but induction noise is far louder than I remember on my Spyder.

Lastly, an alcantara steering wheel, gear knob and boot and handbrake to enhance the contact points. Heard good things about the GT3 shifter as well. Headlight upgrade also already ordered as candles are not cutting it on the unlit country roads.

I can see why the cayman r is probably the perfect road car with comfort seats, xenons, MT, ac and cup holders.

The response of the 3.4 in any gear is far better but still gets you to crazy speeds quite quickly. The torque feels solid in all gears but still encourages you to use all the Rev range. Love the Porsche way of looking at power and torque to weight to devise their cars. I reckon when the 2.9 is “unlocked” it will have just that extra edge it needs to make it what it should be.

Hopefully when this thing is run in I get more top end zing. It still feels tight going over 5k.

Found out the car had a clutch after 4 year old and 4K miles as due to lack of use it had seized on the flywheel so both were change. Will prob give it till 10k miles and then do the remap so it’s had a chance to stretch itself.

Last bit, fuel economy is epic. 450 miles out of a tank on m way and around 400 on my journey means with tax, insurance & fuel will be saving around 4K a year against my RS4.

Winning all around and I don’t see any of these 987.2 so quite unique on the road! So glad I went for this model. The newer ones whilst probably easier for day to day are a bit softer around the edges for my liking. This feels like a sports car through and throughout and isn’t so perfect that you are filtered out from the actual joy of driving.

Looking forward to the next 100k plus miles. This is Defo a daily that will be staying :-)

Klippie

1,440 posts

83 months

Monday 11th February
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Great write up...sounds like the start of a great love affair.

I’ve had my 987.2 for seven years and wouldn’t swap it for anything.

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Monday 11th February
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Sounds like you like it!

They're certainly stellar value, especially when you look at the value of even the most rotten and wheezy old air-cooled lump. One can argue the toss whether the 9x6 or 9x7 platform is all round the more enjoyable proposition, a question I can't quite work out myself. But certainly think it's definitely downhill after 9x7.

As you say, an unlocked 2.9 would be very nice. Another 20hp at the top of the rev range and I think you'd have a very nice package overall and a car to enjoy for a very long time.

Need to try harder with those ranges, though. 450/400 is shocking...(..ly high!). Aim for 250!

T1547

368 posts

72 months

Tuesday 12th February
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I think the 2.9 is probably ideal power wise for our B roads, fast enough to have a ton of fun but not so fast you can’t stretch it out. With manifold (& exhaust?) should sound excellent too.

Is your previous Spyder GT Silver? Stunning looking car thumbup

jayxx83

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280 posts

134 months

Tuesday 12th February
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Yeah previous Spyder was platinum silver. This new one is basalt similar to panther black. It’s so mint not one chip. Tempted to get ppf on the bonnet and bumper to keep it protected for the years to come. Will be ceramic coating soon. My pal at minutia detailing is nothing short of epic and a proper perfectionist.

Roll on the summer!!

kilarney

341 posts

161 months

Tuesday 12th February
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jayxx83 said:
kilarney said:
Do you get more over run sound with it being non dfi? I remember my spider popped once after a hard drive and actually scared me. Hate these new contrived pops and bangs mapped in. In the old days a proper bang meant you have had a solid drive. Not ponying around trying to attract attention.
Mine is a 3.4 so the dfi engine. Drivetrain wise the gear ratios are better due to the smaller wheels so effectively just the final drive is shifted. The 3.4 revs sweeter than the 3.8 but some of this is down to the quieter exhaust which always gives that perception.

The 981 3.8 made great noises for 10 minutes but its mainly exhaust noise not induction with the blaring as the valves open in the upper rev range both annoying and infantile in equal measure. Certainly cant get under the radar !

The stock 987.2 is very muted and really more about induction noise which I prefer as I realised its really the flat six signature as it was in the aircooled motor. I fitted noisy pipes to my 993 and hated it so back to stock I went. For instance in my 997 GTS I enjoyed the induction sound and smoothness so used to drive mostly with the sports exhaust off , in the 981 spyder it was lost.

Having said all this I have opened up the internals of the stock 987.2 box to increase the voice slightly but its very slight and just about enough, most would say its not enough.

jayxx83

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280 posts

134 months

Thursday
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After some more miles and a commute into London. Feels great. Managed to get some hard stops in just before abs kicks in and boy are they solid!

Even had the tyres smoking! Adapted driving style now a bit so not really finding the lack of torque an issue. How ever can tell it needs some negative camber urgently on the front end.

Man driving this thing is so much fun!!!

khushy

3,504 posts

157 months

good on ya - sometimes less is more - you have to try harder :-)

TB303

910 posts

132 months

Sounds great.

I do sometimes miss the slightly shorter (due to wheel size!) gearing of my 987.1 3.2 compared to my 981. It makes the long gearing just about acceptable....

Might have to add another 987 in future to the collection. Never owned a 987.2, so that could be a good idea.

Would have to have 200 cell headers installed though, as when I test drove the 987.2 years ago the sound was a bit poor compared to 987.1 with Carnewal. Probably due to cats muffling the sound, and maybe DFI change.

Has anyone mapped a 987.2 3.4 to take away the power roll-off at the top end of the Rev range (would make it more like the 2.9 character maybe?)?

To me that’s the joy of NA - the build to red line, though most people just want low down torque these days.

jayxx83

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280 posts

134 months

Saturday
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Looking at the power curve of the 2.9 and 3.4 it’s pretty much the same. Peak power at 6500 and then it holds to just over 7k from what I can see.

The Spyder made peak power at 7200 and the cut out was 7400/7500 I think.

I saw the carnewal oem manifolds with HJS for 1k which looks decent and they say it gives you the 10hp increase. 9 excellence say with headers and tune 20whp is possible which is enough really. Don’t know whether the extra cash is worth it for the proper longtube ones as it’s around 2k more for no extra power but I’m sure The drivability will feel better with a proper equal length manifold rather than the crushed stock ones.

Just want the 3k dip mapped out and power to be made further up like the Spyder. Racing through the gears on that car was great fun as the feeling just before the redline was amazing. Just felt like it would pull forever.

First mod this weekend is to upgrade the headlights. Stock aren’t bad but you need to keep using high beam. Rather have decent dipped lights.

cmoose

43,577 posts

167 months

Saturday
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I don't always find the official power curves map that well to the subjective experience. As you say, 2.9 and 3.4 look similar, but the 3.4 has that rather flat, restricted feel towards the top of the range.