Are the police having laugh.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6935253/P...
I dont remember seeing many other EU countries doing this. What do you think Good PR/Bad PR.
Personally I think its a joke acting like that as they are supposed to be neutral and professional.
The skateboard is just comedy gold, I can see this would be good PR over the skate park but not to a load of grown ups.
I dont remember seeing many other EU countries doing this. What do you think Good PR/Bad PR.
Personally I think its a joke acting like that as they are supposed to be neutral and professional.
The skateboard is just comedy gold, I can see this would be good PR over the skate park but not to a load of grown ups.
Edited by PAULJ5555 on Thursday 18th April 14:42
Typical DM hype crap.
Headline of "Commander blasts unacceptable behaviour"" is actually "I'm disappointed"
I like it when the police show their human side. "Raving"....more like having a bit of a boogy to some music whilst maintaining the peace and improving relationships with the protesters. Not all of the protesters are tree hugging morons looking to be arrested and gluing themselves to anything that moves. and it's important the police maintain an ongoing relationship with the vast majority.
The skateboarding was probably a bit too far but he did better than I would :-)
Keep up the good work but be careful / mindful of how things can be taken out of context would have been my response as a leader.
Headline of "Commander blasts unacceptable behaviour"" is actually "I'm disappointed"
I like it when the police show their human side. "Raving"....more like having a bit of a boogy to some music whilst maintaining the peace and improving relationships with the protesters. Not all of the protesters are tree hugging morons looking to be arrested and gluing themselves to anything that moves. and it's important the police maintain an ongoing relationship with the vast majority.
The skateboarding was probably a bit too far but he did better than I would :-)
Keep up the good work but be careful / mindful of how things can be taken out of context would have been my response as a leader.
Edited by Steve Campbell on Thursday 18th April 14:54
Steve Campbell said:
Typical DM hype crap.
I like it when the police show their human side. "Raving"....more like having a bit of a boogy to some music whilst maintaining the peace and improving relationships with the protesters. Not all of the protesters are tree hugging morons looking to be arrested and gluing themselves to anything that moves.
The skateboarding was probably a bit too far but he did better than I would :-)
Keep up the good work but be careful / mindful of how things can be taken out of context would have been my response as a leader.
Even if this did come from the DM it does not really matter as this is whats happening in the real world, unless its photoshopped. I like it when the police show their human side. "Raving"....more like having a bit of a boogy to some music whilst maintaining the peace and improving relationships with the protesters. Not all of the protesters are tree hugging morons looking to be arrested and gluing themselves to anything that moves.
The skateboarding was probably a bit too far but he did better than I would :-)
Keep up the good work but be careful / mindful of how things can be taken out of context would have been my response as a leader.
Not so happy with the skateboard but raving is ok, maybe they joined in with the yoga also. Who knows.
Edited by PAULJ5555 on Thursday 18th April 15:07
Piece, man. I'd say it's our police being professional and defusing a situation. First step- ask them nicely to "go away". Modern policing by a professional lot. The protesters might want a confrontation, but with police attitude with this, the police will get the public vote.
look back at tales of mass protests in the past. Heavy handed police & Army tactics only caused problems. I'm all for sending the protesters to plant trees on Highland islands, but this attitude by police possibly prevented a riot.
look back at tales of mass protests in the past. Heavy handed police & Army tactics only caused problems. I'm all for sending the protesters to plant trees on Highland islands, but this attitude by police possibly prevented a riot.
Edited by Who me ? on Thursday 18th April 15:28
Rightly (In many cases) or wrongly people just don't respect the police like they did 20 years ago and stunts like this and their antics at notting hill yearly don't help.
If they've got enough time there to dance gett them doing some real policing they're always bleating they're short of resources.
When i was in the job, I was chatting to some skater kids who'd had complaints made about them. Rather than get heavy handed, we had a chat and I ended up skating down the high street, in full uniform much to their delight.
Not so much the inspector who was passing at the time. I had an interview without biscuits on returning to the station.
I was saved by one of the kid's mum visiting the nick, not to complain but to say thanks for being fair with her lad. They packed up and buggered off to a more appropriate end of town, so the issue was resolved and i was referred to as PC Hawks for a while after... .
[quote=Who me ?]Piece, man. I'd say it's our police being professional and defusing a situation. First step- ask them nicely to "go away". Modern policing by a professional lot. The protesters might want a confrontation, but with police attitude with this, the police will get the public vote.
look back at tales of mass protests in the past. Heavy handed police & Army tactics only caused problems. I'm all for sending the protesters to plant trees on Highland islands, but this attitude by police possibly prevented a riot.
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I see your point and some what agree.
I dont agree in the bit where they, first ask nicely and get no action so have to back down and play the fool.
look back at tales of mass protests in the past. Heavy handed police & Army tactics only caused problems. I'm all for sending the protesters to plant trees on Highland islands, but this attitude by police possibly prevented a riot.
Edited by Who me ? on Thursday 18th April 15:28
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I see your point and some what agree.
I dont agree in the bit where they, first ask nicely and get no action so have to back down and play the fool.
If you were pulled by trafpol for an infraction (Speeding? Enjoying yourself?), and the had a nice chat about what you were driving, and let you go on with a warning, you'd be over the moon and very pleased with policing.
Judging by the fact you want them to wheel out water cannons, you'd rather they ticketed you and seized / crushed your car for a minute infraction? ("Sorry, no insurance, your optional extra alloys aren't declared") etc.
If you read some history, you'll find that policing by consent arose when protesters had enough of being hacked to bits (Charge with horses, "slash at faces and breasts") by the military.
Judging by the fact you want them to wheel out water cannons, you'd rather they ticketed you and seized / crushed your car for a minute infraction? ("Sorry, no insurance, your optional extra alloys aren't declared") etc.
If you read some history, you'll find that policing by consent arose when protesters had enough of being hacked to bits (Charge with horses, "slash at faces and breasts") by the military.
From what I can remember, when I used to go RAVING in the 90s it involved dancing for hours in a warehouse or field, the owner of which may or may not have known what was going on, while completely off my tits. What that video shows is a policeman waving his arm about a bit. So I'm afraid that even though I am now older and wiser it doesn't even register a flicker on my internal Daily Mail Rageometer. Ditto the video of a policeman skateboarding for all of three seconds - why would anybody but the most gammony of perpetually outraged Daily Mail readers give a s
t about it?
t about it?Haltamer said:
If you were pulled by trafpol for an infraction (Speeding? Enjoying yourself?), and the had a nice chat about what you were driving, and let you go on with a warning, you'd be over the moon and very pleased with policing.
Judging by the fact you want them to wheel out water cannons, you'd rather they ticketed you and seized / crushed your car for a minute infraction? ("Sorry, no insurance, your optional extra alloys aren't declared") etc.
If you read some history, you'll find that policing by consent arose when protesters had enough of being hacked to bits (Charge with horses, "slash at faces and breasts") by the military.
The problem with the protesters isn't that they are breaking the law, it's that they are being a bloody nuisance. If I see a pedestrian cyclist or motorist being a bloody nuisance I want the police to deal with it using whatever tactics necessary. If I see them breaking the law but doing no harm whatsoever, EG a cyclist nipping over a bit of pavement when it's perfectly safe, then I'd prefer the police not to waste their time. Judging by the fact you want them to wheel out water cannons, you'd rather they ticketed you and seized / crushed your car for a minute infraction? ("Sorry, no insurance, your optional extra alloys aren't declared") etc.
If you read some history, you'll find that policing by consent arose when protesters had enough of being hacked to bits (Charge with horses, "slash at faces and breasts") by the military.
Haltamer said:
If you were pulled by trafpol for an infraction (Speeding? Enjoying yourself?), and the had a nice chat about what you were driving, and let you go on with a warning, you'd be over the moon and very pleased with policing.
Judging by the fact you want them to wheel out water cannons, you'd rather they ticketed you and seized / crushed your car for a minute infraction? ("Sorry, no insurance, your optional extra alloys aren't declared") etc.
If you read some history, you'll find that policing by consent arose when protesters had enough of being hacked to bits (Charge with horses, "slash at faces and breasts") by the military.
Problem is over time it gets worse as the attitude is dont worry about them alloys the police will do nothing, they just have a chat with you. On the other had said car with alloys runs you over or kills one of your family because its not safe but no need to worry because the police had a nice chat with them last week.Judging by the fact you want them to wheel out water cannons, you'd rather they ticketed you and seized / crushed your car for a minute infraction? ("Sorry, no insurance, your optional extra alloys aren't declared") etc.
If you read some history, you'll find that policing by consent arose when protesters had enough of being hacked to bits (Charge with horses, "slash at faces and breasts") by the military.
I didnt mention the water canons, we probably all think its about striking a balance but we all draw the line personally at different points.
Haltamer said:
If you were pulled by trafpol for an infraction (Speeding? Enjoying yourself?), and the had a nice chat about what you were driving, and let you go on with a warning, you'd be over the moon and very pleased with policing.
but then you don't get tugged for speeding and have a nice little chat - if that were the case I suspect that'd be a massive PR 'win' for plodPAULJ5555 said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6935253/P...
I dont remember seeing many other EU countries doing this. What do you think Good PR/Bad PR.
Personally I think its a joke acting like that as they are supposed to be neutral and professional.
The skateboard is just comedy gold, I can see this would be good PR over the skate park but not to a load of grown ups.
I dont remember seeing many other EU countries doing this. What do you think Good PR/Bad PR.
Personally I think its a joke acting like that as they are supposed to be neutral and professional.
The skateboard is just comedy gold, I can see this would be good PR over the skate park but not to a load of grown ups.
I sort of see where the OP's is coming from, and it is not just here at this event.
Even in serious cases on that program 24 hours in custody thing. It really boils the piss of the average watcher to see how the cops seem to fawn and play along with some of the offenders, calling them "mate" and referring to other times they've been in there when arresting them and booking them in etc joking away.
In nearly all cases, these are fking scumbags, drug dealers, thieves and the like, and I cant help but think "why are you being so fking matey with them, just because you bring them in twice a month?". Now some will say, well what does being nasty to them achieve, but I don't advocate that they should be "nasty" or rude to them, not alt all. But such people and their behaviour is contemptuous to the vast majority of the population, and I don't see why the cops need to be so freindly to them. It's not a binary thing, you can deal with someone professionally and with respect, but make it very clear to them that you disapprove of what they've bene doing.
I don't get it, It is either that they are scared of these people, or so desensitised to the criminal scumbag acts they perpetrate, that they see them as just loveable rogues and the best way to deal with them is to pretend to be their best mate.
I'd much prefer to see them be professional, to the point, and by the book, but behave in a way that makes it clear to these wkers at all time, that their behaviour is unacceptable and abhorrent normal citizens, and to show a certain contempt for it as any decent citizen would.
IMHO all being nicey nicey to them achieves is to somehow legitimise the behaviour to the scumbags and make them think that it cant be that bad, as the 6 coppers the rest of us have just paid for to carry them in, are laughing and joking along with them, being overtly pleasant to them so "it must all be ok".
These scumbags seem to live by different rules and don't get how conformist most society is. And unless everyone, cops too, show their contempt of such, they will never realise how unacceptable it all is.
Even in serious cases on that program 24 hours in custody thing. It really boils the piss of the average watcher to see how the cops seem to fawn and play along with some of the offenders, calling them "mate" and referring to other times they've been in there when arresting them and booking them in etc joking away.
In nearly all cases, these are f
king scumbags, drug dealers, thieves and the like, and I cant help but think "why are you being so fking matey with them, just because you bring them in twice a month?". Now some will say, well what does being nasty to them achieve, but I don't advocate that they should be "nasty" or rude to them, not alt all. But such people and their behaviour is contemptuous to the vast majority of the population, and I don't see why the cops need to be so freindly to them. It's not a binary thing, you can deal with someone professionally and with respect, but make it very clear to them that you disapprove of what they've bene doing. I don't get it, It is either that they are scared of these people, or so desensitised to the criminal scumbag acts they perpetrate, that they see them as just loveable rogues and the best way to deal with them is to pretend to be their best mate.
I'd much prefer to see them be professional, to the point, and by the book, but behave in a way that makes it clear to these w
kers at all time, that their behaviour is unacceptable and abhorrent normal citizens, and to show a certain contempt for it as any decent citizen would.IMHO all being nicey nicey to them achieves is to somehow legitimise the behaviour to the scumbags and make them think that it cant be that bad, as the 6 coppers the rest of us have just paid for to carry them in, are laughing and joking along with them, being overtly pleasant to them so "it must all be ok".
These scumbags seem to live by different rules and don't get how conformist most society is. And unless everyone, cops too, show their contempt of such, they will never realise how unacceptable it all is.
Edited by poo at Paul's on Thursday 18th April 17:04
I somewhat doubt that it makes or breaks a criminal's decision to offend if the police behave how you describe towards them.
Much better to have them 'onside' as they're more likely to admit / TIC etc if the relationship is good between themselves and the police.
Smiling assassin etc.
Much better to have them 'onside' as they're more likely to admit / TIC etc if the relationship is good between themselves and the police.
Smiling assassin etc.
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