New 718 refresh end of year

New 718 refresh end of year

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Schmed

944 posts

13 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Nice to see the flat six society spouting their usual nonsense.

Let’s ignore subjective ‘feelings’ about “power delivery” for a moment and actually get objective. Facts & figures, real, actual metrics speak very loudly about what is the better car. None of this “thoughts & feelings’ millennial hippy bullst about what car is more “fun” to drive etc, continually spouted by the likes of jonttt & co. Although we all know they don’t like that sort of objectivity...

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/pfmp20ve3k56

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/zcrs16e2ojlt

“Top trumps, top trumps” yeah right. Fk off... the 981 is dead, get used to it. Long live the 718!

moonigan

1,326 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Twinfan said:
Agreed. This is the only manual 981 GTS for sale at the moment though. Much more choice if you look at GT4s.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
ROFL £60K. This or a 997 GTS. In fact this or the latest, lowest mileage, manual 997 with £15-20K in your pocket.

julian718

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15 posts

Tuesday 14th May
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Twinfan said:
My points exactly. GT4 is a much more sensible buy if you're looking to spend £75k on a relatively new manual gearbox equipped Porsche sports car.
i hear you, but the design is now looking very dated

julian718

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15 posts

Tuesday 14th May
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cmoose said:
In the same rough price range, if you insist on as modern as possible, a lightly used Carrera T like this seems massively preferable over a maxxed out 718:

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/911-Carrera-T-...

Looks fab with buckets and a manual box.

Or hold out a bit and see what happens with the 718 '6'. If the rumours are true and there's going to be a flat six model below the GT4, base price will probably be in this ball park...and would be so much nicer than any of the four banger 718s.
very much appreciate your reply, thank you. Its nice that car, but it is non descript, and as I said earlier, get to 79K and people will say, get the next model up.

Back to the original question of the thread, what refresh updates do you think the Cayman range will see. One poster said the likelihood of the 911 new dash is unlikely, which is a shame. My dealer seemed confident the dash will change more to the 911 and include the larger display and new tunnel




julian718

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15 posts

Tuesday 14th May
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130R said:
cmoose said:
Or hold out a bit and see what happens with the 718 '6'. If the rumours are true and there's going to be a flat six model below the GT4, base price will probably be in this ball park...and would be so much nicer than any of the four banger 718s.
That's an imaginary car at this point. Why not just buy a GTS now and change to that if it ever shows up.
the 718 6 is never coming out, that is a step backwards for Porsche what with the EU emissions - it'll never materialise.
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julian718

Original Poster:

15 posts

Tuesday 14th May
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Schmed said:
Nice to see the flat six society spouting their usual nonsense.

Let’s ignore subjective ‘feelings’ about “power delivery” for a moment and actually get objective. Facts & figures, real, actual metrics speak very loudly about what is the better car. None of this “thoughts & feelings’ millennial hippy bullst about what car is more “fun” to drive etc, continually spouted by the likes of jonttt & co. Although we all know they don’t like that sort of objectivity...

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/pfmp20ve3k56

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/zcrs16e2ojlt

“Top trumps, top trumps” yeah right. Fk off... the 981 is dead, get used to it. Long live the 718!
Thank you! as a first time forum thread starter and new car purchaser ( my current Porsche is a 944 Turbo), it is such a bore hearing people go on and on and on about the sound of the 981. Who cares? Porsche dont, I dont, and if you do, then good for you, but don't keep harping on about it. I'll say it again, the design language of the 981 and the GT4 is bland and feels very dated. the 718 GTS even in 10 years time will feel preemo.







Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Tuesday 14th May
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moonigan said:
ROFL £60K. This or a 997 GTS. In fact this or the latest, lowest mileage, manual 997 with £15-20K in your pocket.
Laugh all you like - 981 GTSs are very popular and prices are holding up. Some people prefer Caymans to 911s you know wink

julian718 said:
i hear you, but the design is now looking very dated
Fair enough, have fun with your 718. I don't think there'll be a huge change in the facelift, but as we haven't seen any mules yet it's for anyone to know what's coming other than Porsche.

cmoose

44,330 posts

170 months

Tuesday 14th May
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julian718 said:
very much appreciate your reply, thank you. Its nice that car, but it is non descript, and as I said earlier, get to 79K and people will say, get the next model up.

Back to the original question of the thread, what refresh updates do you think the Cayman range will see. One poster said the likelihood of the 911 new dash is unlikely, which is a shame. My dealer seemed confident the dash will change more to the 911 and include the larger display and new tunnel
I'd say that T is far from nondescript. Super spec. There's a bright yellow one on the site, too, if you want shouty.

Re the 718 facelift, well, it won't get the 911 dash, that's a completely different platform sadly. They may tweak the centre console. adding capacitive controls, and then give it 992 style instruments - ie analogue central rev counter with LCDs either side. But the core dash and cabin structure is very unlikely to change.

The reason why the 718 isn't being replaced in the normal time frame is because they don't want to spend the money given plans to release a completely new battery electric model in about four or five years. So, it doesn't seem likely they'll want to spend a lot of money on a brand new dash for the existing car, which would be very expensive for relatively little return.

But then 992-style instruments and a capacitive panel on the centre console, if that's what happens, might do it for you anyway!

cmoose

44,330 posts

170 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Schmed said:
Let’s ignore subjective ‘feelings’ about “power delivery” for a moment and actually get objective.
Power delivery isn't subjective. It's objective. The 718's power delivery is shifted down the rev range compared to the 981. This is a fact and something you clearly can't comprehend.

Which isn't to say one is necessarily better than the other. But the difference is an objective fact. And one you could do with getting a grip of if you want to actually understand what you are talking about. But I suspect you aren't actually interested in understanding things or learning anything. Axe grinding is more your thing!

av185

8,111 posts

68 months

Tuesday 14th May
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julian718 said:
Dr S said:
130R said:
Twinfan said:
The £74k for a 718 GTS is 981 GT4 money. There are a couple of black ones at OPCs at the moment. I'd be buying one of them.
I wouldn't if it is a daily driver. Carrera T would be what I would look at as a used alternative.
I would concur with that
The materials and styling of the Carrera T feels cheap in comparison to the Cayman GTS. That gloss black plastic trim is so cheap looking and its too much leather everywhere, feels cold, whereas the CGTS with Alcantera is a nicer place to be. Furthermore the Carrera T is another approx 15K and I have to draw the line at some point, otherwise at that money the next reply would be, "go for the new 911" smile
911s are easily worth the extra.

If you don't like leather then find a T without. It was an extra cost option with the T pack and easily worth it. Cars without leather sell for alot less than the cost option new.

Black shiny trim looks great and suits the car btw.

ags11

387 posts

81 months

Tuesday 14th May
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It's amazing the different tastes on here.
I think the T is definitely one of the least nondescript 991.2 cars. It's definitely near the top of the turbocharged era in the characterful department.
That silver car is definitely reasonable value, albeit silver maybe isn't the best colour to show the T details.

moonigan

1,326 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Twinfan said:
moonigan said:
ROFL £60K. This or a 997 GTS. In fact this or the latest, lowest mileage, manual 997 with £15-20K in your pocket.
Laugh all you like - 981 GTSs are very popular and prices are holding up. Some people prefer Caymans to 911s you know wink
I get that and I'd actually like one myself and when the 981GTS was new it was a compelling proposition. It was at around 25-30K cheaper than a similarly specified 911 or you could buy a 2-4 year old 911 for the same money but it wouldn't be a new car and wouldn't have the same level of warranty. Those like yourself that bought new or very nearly new are laughing but what about the buyer now with 40-60k who wants to buy into the brand. I'm not sure they are as a compelling purchase particularly if you assume that values will normalise at some point.

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Tuesday 14th May
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moonigan said:
I get that and I'd actually like one myself and when the 981GTS was new it was a compelling proposition. It was at around 25-30K cheaper than a similarly specified 911 or you could buy a 2-4 year old 911 for the same money but it wouldn't be a new car and wouldn't have the same level of warranty. Those like yourself that bought new or very nearly new are laughing but what about the buyer now with 40-60k who wants to buy into the brand. I'm not sure they are as a compelling purchase particularly if you assume that values will normalise at some point.
Why would I be laughing? It's the GT car owners who bought at list who are laughing! My car has lost circa £12k in value in 3 years. As for normalising, who's to say the current situation isn't going to remain? I see the 981 GTS's position being maintained between the 987 Cayman R and the 981 GT4.

The only issue at £40k - £60k is if you want a Porsche with a flat six. If you can see past that, there's the 718.

moonigan

1,326 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Twinfan said:
Why would I be laughing? My car has lost circa £12k in value in 3 years.
Haha now you are just showing off biggrin

julian718

Original Poster:

15 posts

Tuesday 14th May
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cmoose said:
But then 992-style instruments and a capacitive panel on the centre console, if that's what happens, might do it for you anyway!
That and the all black steering wheel would be amazing! I reckon the steering wheel change is very likely. Thanks again for your reply.

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Tuesday 14th May
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moonigan said:
Haha now you are just showing off biggrin
laugh

Maybe! Still smarts though wink

robj4

154 posts

98 months

Tuesday 14th May
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cmoose said:
julian718 said:
I like the GT4 but the design language now looks very dated. It would be overkill as a daily driver for me, and I'd never take advantage of its full offering.
Not going to do that with any of these cars. 718S/GTS probably quicker on the road than a GT4. You're not going to get near the full capability of any of these cars, so I'd ignore that as a concern. it applies to all of them.

What's more involving to drive, that's another question. of the cars here, I'd say that's comfortably the GT4.

Literally all of these cars are wall-to-wall carpets, assisted steering and brakes etc etc. All easy daily drivers if that's what you want to do with them. The notion that the GT4 is particularly hardcore, or a track car etc, does not reflect reality. GT4 likely to depreciate less, to boot.
Everybody is different, and some people have differing requirements for a 'daily'. Personally I found the GT4 a frustrating daily car due to a stiff clutch and lack of a high gear for motorway driving. It was just too uncompromising, which is of course what it was designed to be so no complaints. (And I tried twice with a GT4 before buying back my old GTS, which is still the best car I've been fortunate enough to own).

cmoose

44,330 posts

170 months

Tuesday 14th May
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robj4 said:
Everybody is different, and some people have differing requirements for a 'daily'. Personally I found the GT4 a frustrating daily car due to a stiff clutch and lack of a high gear for motorway driving. It was just too uncompromising, which is of course what it was designed to be so no complaints. (And I tried twice with a GT4 before buying back my old GTS, which is still the best car I've been fortunate enough to own).
Eh? GT4 has the same gearing as a standard 981.

robj4

154 posts

98 months

Tuesday 14th May
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cmoose said:
robj4 said:
Everybody is different, and some people have differing requirements for a 'daily'. Personally I found the GT4 a frustrating daily car due to a stiff clutch and lack of a high gear for motorway driving. It was just too uncompromising, which is of course what it was designed to be so no complaints. (And I tried twice with a GT4 before buying back my old GTS, which is still the best car I've been fortunate enough to own).
Eh? GT4 has the same gearing as a standard 981.
Apologies, pdk compared to manual. 7th on a 981 pdk is an overdrive pretty much

neilf

515 posts

52 months

Tuesday 14th May
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My two cents.

Bumped into the DP of my local OPC while waiting to discuss a new 718T in March.

Told me an F6 Cayman (besides the GT4) was definitely coming soon. Wanted to let me know so I went into the T purchase with my eyes open regarding residuals.