New 718 refresh end of year
Discussion
Given how Porsche work, it's likely to sit above a 718 GTS but below a 718 Spyder/GT4. So around £70k base or ££80k+ optioned up?
If it only has 380bhp and a non-GT chassis I certainly won't be bothering to change from my 981 GTS into one - it'll cost me £30k to change. The same as the change to a 981 GT4.
If it only has 380bhp and a non-GT chassis I certainly won't be bothering to change from my 981 GTS into one - it'll cost me £30k to change. The same as the change to a 981 GT4.
I think any F6 718 models will be niche and will sit above the current F4T GTS. Perhaps a 718 "Cayster" Touring, a 718 Cayman GT4 and a 718 Boxster Spyder. These will be reassuringly expensive given their exclusivity and Porsche know they have a market for such cars (albeit fairly small and mainly enthusiasts).
That said, F4T Caysters will stil be produced and bought. Porsche have invested in the engine; the majority of buys don't care if it F4T or F6; and it still going to represent the lowest entry price into a new Porsche sports car. [Granted one can buy a used F6 981 for less (or more), but if you want it optioned to your taste, without compromising here and there, then a 718 is where one has to look.]
I think the refresh will lightly cosmetic at best, and a few niche F6 models (that I can't afford anyway).
That said, F4T Caysters will stil be produced and bought. Porsche have invested in the engine; the majority of buys don't care if it F4T or F6; and it still going to represent the lowest entry price into a new Porsche sports car. [Granted one can buy a used F6 981 for less (or more), but if you want it optioned to your taste, without compromising here and there, then a 718 is where one has to look.]
I think the refresh will lightly cosmetic at best, and a few niche F6 models (that I can't afford anyway).
Just another note on the "Touring" tag, the mules we've seen aren't "GT4 with Touring Pack" cars like the GT3. Look at the size of the PCCBs on the mules, the 718-6 has the more normal sized PCCBs from the F4T 718 Cayman, whereas the GT4 mule has the larger GT-style versions.
So the 718-6 is basically a 718-4 with a different engine, the chassis is probably the same as the regaulr 718 models:
So the 718-6 is basically a 718-4 with a different engine, the chassis is probably the same as the regaulr 718 models:
Schmed said:
Nice to see the flat six society spouting their usual nonsense.
Let’s ignore subjective ‘feelings’ about “power delivery” for a moment and actually get objective. Facts & figures, real, actual metrics speak very loudly about what is the better car. None of this “thoughts & feelings’ millennial hippy bulls
t about what car is more “fun” to drive etc, continually spouted by the likes of jonttt & co. Although we all know they don’t like that sort of objectivity...
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/pfmp20ve3k56
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/zcrs16e2ojlt
“Top trumps, top trumps” yeah right. Fk off... the 981 is dead, get used to it. Long live the 718!
This is the problem with most car buyers, mainly people who don't have much understanding of where enjoying comes from in the driving experience... they buy on statistics. Let’s ignore subjective ‘feelings’ about “power delivery” for a moment and actually get objective. Facts & figures, real, actual metrics speak very loudly about what is the better car. None of this “thoughts & feelings’ millennial hippy bulls
t about what car is more “fun” to drive etc, continually spouted by the likes of jonttt & co. Although we all know they don’t like that sort of objectivity...https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/pfmp20ve3k56
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/zcrs16e2ojlt
“Top trumps, top trumps” yeah right. Fk off... the 981 is dead, get used to it. Long live the 718!
Based pure statistics I would of bought a 718, it is faster and has better technology. Thing is the moment I drove it the experience was ruined by the dull, low revving and rough engine.
If you want 'facts', the 981 sounds better and is smoother than the 718, as such it has a more enjoyable driving experience and its where I put my money. This has no doubt been reflected in long-term residuals.
The 981 will be remembered for its engine, the 718 will be replaced by something faster and more technologically advanced. Ultimately the 981 is last of an era and the 718 will be forgotten.
The Supra/Z4 is potentially a significant factor in the situation. For some, it's engine may sway a fair number away from the 718/4. And if the 718/6T is much more than the Supra (which is getting good journo reports) it may be difficult to sell. Can't see the Cayman 718 GT4 being threatened, but the rest of the Cayster range may be under threat.
JayK12 said:
j8bbk said:
Ultimately the 981 is last of an era and the 718 will be forgotten.
When Schmed see's this he is going to blow his nut lol.
But seriously, the 981 is unlikely to be the last of anything if they do release a 718 ‘6’.
Ultimately the 981 is compromised in a number of areas and the 718 is improved to address some of the shortcomings (as every newer version of the car will be.)
That said the F4T isn’t for everybody, but the low down torque and turbo acceleration is so addictive (to me) that I don’t think I could ever go back.
I don’t work for them but
https://www.magnitudefinance.com/
If you leave it too long your wife will have the sports cars sold and you’ll be driving the family mpv...
https://www.magnitudefinance.com/
If you leave it too long your wife will have the sports cars sold and you’ll be driving the family mpv...
Schmed said:
But seriously, the 981 is unlikely to be the last of anything if they do release a 718 ‘6’.
Ultimately the 981 is compromised in a number of areas and the 718 is improved to address some of the shortcomings (as every newer version of the car will be.)
That said the F4T isn’t for everybody, but the low down torque and turbo acceleration is so addictive (to me) that I don’t think I could ever go back.
I can appreciate the low down torque of turbo cars, so much so my previous had a 550nm turbo 6, which was the sole reason for the purchase. Although frankly it got boring by the end of my ownership as it was accessible. I enjoy working for the performance and ringing it out when the mood takes, the f6 really builds to a crescendo of noise and speed, which I guess is a high priority for myself.
I think 981 prices in the future will depend upon how much the 718-6 models cost, which if they sit above 718 GTSs will mean they'll be expensive. Like I said earlier, at £70k+ plus options the 981s will stay as they are in the flat six hierarchy.
I think the F4Ts are the ones most at risk of sliding residuals...
I think the F4Ts are the ones most at risk of sliding residuals...
Does everyone really believe a 718 6er will be circa £70k? Just seem too cheap, if the gt4 is £130k as rumoured from what Ive read. I’d imagine 718 6er will be positioned like a 911R/ touring surely price, based on demand, will be circa £90k plus. This takes the car to another price level, which will defend the f4t prices and compete with 911t. Just speculating :-)
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