New 718 refresh end of year

New 718 refresh end of year

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julian718

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15 posts

Wednesday 15th May
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Maybe you were all correct on this Flat 6 update! see
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/porsche-to-offer...

So

15,526 posts

163 months

Wednesday 15th May
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julian718 said:
Maybe you were all correct on this Flat 6 update! see
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/porsche-to-offer...
That probably tells you all you need to know about customer feedback on the F4T.


julian718

Original Poster:

15 posts

Wednesday 15th May
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So said:
That probably tells you all you need to know about customer feedback on the F4T.
Well what I hope for is it will make the second hand market drop in price as I would be over the moon with the current 718GTS. Unless the CF6 was the same price, but not knowing how Porsche operate, with each and every update to the prices just go insane, or so they remain close to what they were?

tedblog

463 posts

21 months

Wednesday 15th May
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From what i have read its not exactly the run of the mill Cayman/boxster? I also believe they are already testing electric and hybrid boxsters?

So

15,526 posts

163 months

Thursday 16th May
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tedblog said:
From what i have read its not exactly the run of the mill Cayman/boxster? I also believe they are already testing electric and hybrid boxsters?
The OPC tech who gave me a lift home a couple of weeks said he'd just been on a transmission course and there was a big space in the new component for an electric version.
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dreamcar

980 posts

52 months

Thursday 16th May
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julian718 said:
the 718 6 is never coming out, that is a step backwards for Porsche what with the EU emissions - it'll never materialise.
That is not what Porsche dealerships have been told

So

15,526 posts

163 months

Thursday 16th May
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dreamcar said:
julian718 said:
the 718 6 is never coming out, that is a step backwards for Porsche what with the EU emissions - it'll never materialise.
That is not what Porsche dealerships have been told
It would seem an odd thing to tell them if it isn't going to happen. If they're struggling to sell F4Ts already it won't help things, will it.

Schmed

944 posts

13 months

Thursday 16th May
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dreamcar said:
julian718 said:
the 718 6 is never coming out, that is a step backwards for Porsche what with the EU emissions - it'll never materialise.
That is not what Porsche dealerships have been told
What are the chances if it does come out it’ll be (a) fecking expensive and (b) only available in such limited numbers so as not to impact emissions averages?

cmoose

44,330 posts

170 months

Thursday 16th May
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I don't think the '6' will be particularly limited. As a 718 model it won't be that pricey, either.

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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Given how Porsche work, it's likely to sit above a 718 GTS but below a 718 Spyder/GT4. So around £70k base or ££80k+ optioned up?

If it only has 380bhp and a non-GT chassis I certainly won't be bothering to change from my 981 GTS into one - it'll cost me £30k to change. The same as the change to a 981 GT4.

churchie2856

49 posts

131 months

Thursday 16th May
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I think any F6 718 models will be niche and will sit above the current F4T GTS. Perhaps a 718 "Cayster" Touring, a 718 Cayman GT4 and a 718 Boxster Spyder. These will be reassuringly expensive given their exclusivity and Porsche know they have a market for such cars (albeit fairly small and mainly enthusiasts).

That said, F4T Caysters will stil be produced and bought. Porsche have invested in the engine; the majority of buys don't care if it F4T or F6; and it still going to represent the lowest entry price into a new Porsche sports car. [Granted one can buy a used F6 981 for less (or more), but if you want it optioned to your taste, without compromising here and there, then a 718 is where one has to look.]

I think the refresh will lightly cosmetic at best, and a few niche F6 models (that I can't afford anyway).

churchie2856

49 posts

131 months

Thursday 16th May
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churchie2856 said:
Perhaps a 718 "Cayster" Touring, a 718 Cayman GT4 and a 718 Boxster Spyder.
And I mean Touring as in road-biased GT4, not to be confused with the existing 718 T (which signifies "Touring"). All rather confusing.

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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Just another note on the "Touring" tag, the mules we've seen aren't "GT4 with Touring Pack" cars like the GT3. Look at the size of the PCCBs on the mules, the 718-6 has the more normal sized PCCBs from the F4T 718 Cayman, whereas the GT4 mule has the larger GT-style versions.

So the 718-6 is basically a 718-4 with a different engine, the chassis is probably the same as the regaulr 718 models:




j8bbk

89 posts

37 months

Thursday 16th May
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Schmed said:
Nice to see the flat six society spouting their usual nonsense.

Let’s ignore subjective ‘feelings’ about “power delivery” for a moment and actually get objective. Facts & figures, real, actual metrics speak very loudly about what is the better car. None of this “thoughts & feelings’ millennial hippy bullst about what car is more “fun” to drive etc, continually spouted by the likes of jonttt & co. Although we all know they don’t like that sort of objectivity...

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/pfmp20ve3k56

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/zcrs16e2ojlt

“Top trumps, top trumps” yeah right. Fk off... the 981 is dead, get used to it. Long live the 718!
This is the problem with most car buyers, mainly people who don't have much understanding of where enjoying comes from in the driving experience... they buy on statistics.

Based pure statistics I would of bought a 718, it is faster and has better technology. Thing is the moment I drove it the experience was ruined by the dull, low revving and rough engine.

If you want 'facts', the 981 sounds better and is smoother than the 718, as such it has a more enjoyable driving experience and its where I put my money. This has no doubt been reflected in long-term residuals.

The 981 will be remembered for its engine, the 718 will be replaced by something faster and more technologically advanced. Ultimately the 981 is last of an era and the 718 will be forgotten.

bcr5784

3,617 posts

86 months

Thursday 16th May
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The Supra/Z4 is potentially a significant factor in the situation. For some, it's engine may sway a fair number away from the 718/4. And if the 718/6T is much more than the Supra (which is getting good journo reports) it may be difficult to sell. Can't see the Cayman 718 GT4 being threatened, but the rest of the Cayster range may be under threat.

tedblog

463 posts

21 months

Thursday 16th May
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The 981 will be remembered for its engine, the 718 will be replaced by something faster and more technologically advanced. Ultimately the 981 is last of an era and the 718 will be forgotten.
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So when the 718 gt4 and spyder come along?

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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tedblog said:
So when the 718 gt4 and spyder come along?
It all depends how good the engine is IMHO.

JayK12

1,656 posts

143 months

Thursday 16th May
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j8bbk said:
Ultimately the 981 is last of an era and the 718 will be forgotten.
When Schmed see's this he is going to blow his nut lol.


tedblog

463 posts

21 months

Thursday 16th May
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Twinfan said:
It all depends how good the engine is IMHO.
Or how it sounds if anything to go by with the new 911 not that good. The emissions thing has really strangled it

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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It's not the emissions, it's the new dB limits.